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2011/06/16 04:41:35 (permalink)

 

 
 
You would notice the word FMx well that is the new socket we will be going to for us AMDers
 
http://news.softpedia.com...MX-Socket-206052.shtml
Expected to arrive in 2012 as the successor of the recently launched Llano chips, AMD's Trinity accelerated processing units will use a new socket that goes by the name of FMX and appears to be incompatible with both the current FM1 and AM3+ packagings.

 
Alas FMX is niether FM nor AM3+

AM3+

 
FM1
 

 
The CPU doesn't look much different from an AM3 or FM1 CPU on the front
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    Re:Peer into AMDs CPU Future! 2011/06/16 07:52:27 (permalink)
    So, these are desktop midrange on down and up to four cores with DX11 graphics.  Not that they would put more graphics on more cores, I imagine eventually when the market demands, though it is fun to think about the idea of a 16-core Bulldozer Interlagos with 1600-stream processors (exactly four times the current Fusion models).  For any non-dedicated graphics person, it is almost a decades worth of future-proof.  But to me, the idea of the equivalent graphics power of an HD5870 inside a CPU is appealing, apart from the requirement of DDR3-2400+ to make it interesting.  Would I pay for it?  I don't know, it would cost between $1200-$1700 best guess.
     
    seronx 
    The CPU doesn't look much different from an AM3 or FM1 CPU on the front

     
    It could be since AMD is a smaller company and has money issues that the last thing they are going to do is update sockets for each specific market -- which oddly enough they do, but it isn't obvious.
     
    I forget where I read it, but it makes so much sense I don't see why it isn't more common; the idea that smarter choices come from less resources.  Those choices may not be the best, but setting of goals are up to the goalie, so to speak.  AMD makes due with what it has without the changes Intel has made on a similar scale, but that is only because Intel has been able to afford such change.



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    Re:Peer into AMDs CPU Future! 2011/06/16 11:52:34 (permalink)
    lehpron

    So, these are desktop midrange on down and up to four cores with DX11 graphics.  Not that they would put more graphics on more cores, I imagine eventually when the market demands, though it is fun to think about the idea of a 16-core Bulldozer Interlagos with 1600-stream processors (exactly four times the current Fusion models).  For any non-dedicated graphics person, it is almost a decades worth of future-proof.  But to me, the idea of the equivalent graphics power of an HD5870 inside a CPU is appealing, apart from the requirement of DDR3-2400+ to make it interesting.  Would I pay for it?  I don't know, it would cost between $1200-$1700 best guess.

    seronx 
    The CPU doesn't look much different from an AM3 or FM1 CPU on the front


    It could be since AMD is a smaller company and has money issues that the last thing they are going to do is update sockets for each specific market -- which oddly enough they do, but it isn't obvious.

    I forget where I read it, but it makes so much sense I don't see why it isn't more common; the idea that smarter choices come from less resources.  Those choices may not be the best, but setting of goals are up to the goalie, so to speak.  AMD makes due with what it has without the changes Intel has made on a similar scale, but that is only because Intel has been able to afford such change.

     
    FMx is Enthusiast and to Midrange
    $400 CPU $300 Mobo
    Are the maxes

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    Re:Peer into AMDs CPU Future! 2011/06/18 06:07:50 (permalink)
    For purposes of making people see my prediction, I will post after my post
     
    The Corona Platform:
    Bulldozer Revision 1/Version 2 will have a:
    PCI-E 3.0 Controller
    The GPU won't be using VLIW4 architecture but use the GCN Architecture
     
    Reason:
    Zambezi (4 Modules) -> Komodo (5 Modules)
     
    Instead of going to 6 Modules like the Phenom IIs(4 core to 6 core)
    That missing module will become the PCI-e 3.0 Controller
     
    Reason #2:
    FX v2 + GCN = Parallelism
    In which the connection between the CPU and GPU will be bus-less
     
    What is going to happen:
    You'll get really good F@H scores
    With Kepler or GCN
     
    Fermi and Kepler is already supported in this
     
    As long as it uses the PCI-e controller(Most likely this will be a PCI-e 3.0 x32 lane Controller(NB Interface->PCI-e Controller))
    So, you will have basically no buses for 4 GPUs (Much better than Intel's PCI-e controller)
     
    Problems:
     
    You can't go from AM3+ Bulldozer to FMx(FM2 most likely) Bulldozer
    Showing the major differences between Gen 1(PCI-e controller-less) and Gen 2(PCI-e controller)
     
    Phenom II x6 - 346 mm^2
    Bulldozer 10-core Gen 2 - ~325.3 mm^2
     
    AM3 = 941 Contacts/AM3+ = 942 Contacts
    FM1 = 905 Contacts/FMx = 905? Contacts
     
    B2 Bulldozer 16-core 1.8GHz/115W
    B3 Bulldozer 16-core 2.3GHz/115W
    C2 Bulldozer 16-core 2.5GHz/115W
    C3 Bulldozer 16-core 2.6GHz/115W
    ^Upgrade paths 115W TDP = 75(Stock)W-95(Turbo)W ACP
    B2 3.6GHz
    B3 4.6GHz
    C2 5.0GHz
    C3 5.2GHz
    ^Desktop upgrade path, highest stable stock clock (if real world physics don't affect anything)
     
    BD Gen 2 will start off with C3
    Reason for the high clocks
    i7 SB(8-wincore) 995M Trannies
    BD(8-wincore) 852M Trannies
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