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mwparrish

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xandypx

mwparrish

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Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.

Is there anything I am missing? Google doesn't help.

Rather than go over everything... read this if you haven't... it's a good primer: http://www.tomshardware.c...-ssd-caching,2888.html

It covers SSD Caching with some testing, Quick Sync, and intregrated+discrete GPU virtualization. All features of Z68 that you can't utilize with P67. All have their benefits to the mainstream portion of the market without compromising any performance for the enthusiast crowd.

Your statement of NOT impacting performance is not necessarily true anymore based on the reviews comparing P67 to z68.  Take a look at the reviews that came out this morning.  Other than in some bench testing (and not gaming benches), the new z68 takes a hit in gaming graphics (2-3 FPS in most games that where tested, more in others).  The "virtual" graphics adapter created by the integrated GPU with the Lucidlogix’s Virtu software causes the impact.  The only place you get any benefit is with transcoding.  And in some instances, Quicksync wouldn't even work with a descrete graphics card attached to the system.

lol looking at benchmarks and Z68 does seem to be .5-3 fps lower in most games not much more though. Still its enough to keep me looking at P67 boards instead of buying a Z68. Why pay more for less FPS when I don't care about sync and ssd caching?

2-3 fps is not a playability performance issue. That's within the margin of error. That said, it's also in the configuration of Virtu as well and whether you're using it in the "i" or "d" mode. Of course, not installing it or disabling it is also an option.

So I stand by my original statement that graphics performance is no different from P67 to Z68, it just presents you with options to use additional features and increases your configuration preferences based on your personalized usage.

fair enough, I guess I'm trying to rationalize staying with EVGA...its not going well though

 
touche to that as well. i don't want to talk anyone from leaving "the fold" so to speak... i love EVGA, their products, the community, everything. i bought the ASUS P8Z68-V PRO today because it doesn't appear there is going to be a (timely) Z68 offering which is what i really want until X79.
 
if EVGA is struggling to get a handle on all the new components with these boards (chipset, UEFI, etc.) and QA isn't where it needs to be... by all means EVGA, do what you need to do and deliver the best quality product... do what you're known for.
 
with a mobo team shakeup a lot of tacit knowledge is stripped out of the operation that takes time to redevelop. i have no doubt their boards will be excellent when they arrive. it's just that z68 is what i wanted.
 
if z68 turns out to be a silly choice for me, i'll return it and get the p67 ftw. i have no qualms about sending a board back if it doesn't meet my expectation and needs. let's not forget either, competition is good. ASUS is delivering some great quality boards right now with gigabyte and asrock right behind... msi is arguably bringing up the rear of the big 4 socket 1155 manufacturers. EVGA is the only game missing and I know it's killing them because it's a black eye to their reputation. it's critical they get it right when they do release.
 
in the meantime, i'll tinker with my Z68 board... see what happens when the P67 FTW is released and make the call. then if X79 and socket 2011 aren't astronomically priced, i'll jump up to that at Christmas with EVGA. They won't be late for that release with all the ramp up time they currently still have and lessons their team will learn from this effort.
 
Good stuff is coming from EVGA, arguably some of their greatest stuff yet. Never, ever mistake a missed product release with general org failure. i'll rep EVGA any day of the week and proud to do so. i'm just presenting my analysis of the other analysis of the Z68 boards released. they're good, some better than others. we'll see if my opinion holds after first-hand experience.

Seems like the Z68 board isn't everything I had hoped.  I was hoping for seamless integration of Quick Sync without having to switch cables or adjust settings through software but it seems like the latter is exactly what Virtu does.
 
The only reason I'd consider an EVGA P67 board is if the price was right (aka cheap (aka around $140)) and was to be released soon.  Although I could use Z68 features, it doesn't mean I have to use them.  I'm just given more available features.  However, the time saved by using Virtu is probably negated by the time it takes to make changes in Virtu and thus rendering it useless (depending on how much I plan on using it any given time).
 
So if EVGA wants me to to accept an older/less robust technology, it has to come with a lower price tag as well.  Then it would become a more viable alternative.

xandypx

kpablo

All i want to know is if the P67 FTW will work PCI Express @ 16x/16x with space between the cards... that's all i want... if is yes then probably i am going to get it.

Currently if i want to get 16x/16x with my Maximus IV Extreme... card have to be installed next to the other so there is no space between the vcards...

if you read the way the NF200 chip works, you would then know that you don't actually have x16 -x16 to the CPU.  Sandy Bridge CPU only has 16 lanes of PCIe graphic capable lanes.  Your second connection @ x16 is only to the NF200 chip.  The NF200 communicates with the CPU though an x8 lane.  secondly, when you attach a second GPU, the 1st slot drops to x8, as the NF200 consumes the other 8 lanes.

So in essence, in SLI/CF with the *67 PCH, with two video cards, the best you actually have is x8 - x8 to the CPU.  Add a third card, and you now have the NF200 dealing with taking the info from 2 video cards and pumping that info through 8 lanes to the CPU.  If you are only using 2 cards, you are better off using the 2 native *67 PCH (x8-x8) connections, and forgo the NF200.  The NF200 is really only necessary in the case of more than 2 video cards.

So how would you analyze a system built with the P67 board and a single 590 classified card with the 2 GPU's?

GeorgeRibeiro60
So how would you analyze a system built with the P67 board and a single 590 classified card with the 2 GPU's?

The 2 GPUs on a 590 are already SLI'd internally, and the card is designed to operate in an x16 slot (utilizing 16 PCIe lanes), so using the card as a single card on P67, the graphics card will do exactly what it is designed to do.  Even Quad SLI on a P67 on the right mobo will work using 2 - 590s, utilizing 2 - x8 lanes, although the cards would be bottlnecked by comparison to running them on native x16 connections (32 total graphics lanes), which right now you can't have with an Intel 2nd Gen Core processor...  But ask yourself...  How many people really need Quad SLI?  Ok, ok, ok...  Braggin' rights!

honestly , no point in complaining now.
Just gotta wait it out , at least they are releasing soon
 

Will they be on shelves when you announce the date? Or only available at that point. This might be a stupid question but different companies do releases differently.
 
btw thanks Jacob for putting up with us on the forums, you get a lot of flack for just trying to do your job. 

preolt

Will they be on shelves when you announce the date? Or only available at that point. This might be a stupid question but different companies do releases differently.

btw thanks Jacob for putting up with us on the forums, you get a lot of flack for just trying to do your job. 

 
They will at least be on EVGA.com
 
I will give another update tonight.

Not yet, they are shipped via air.

It usually depends on the product.

so are we looking at a release this week or next for the P67 FTW?

please be next day or 2, im sooooo fed up with gettn my azz kikd on the EGC servers!!!!!!!!!!,  no mercy boys!

maskedmenace

What will the difference be between the FTW and the Classified?

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

There is no P67 Classified, it was renamed to "FTW". So the FTW edition is the Classified mobo, same color scheme, same options, same everything expect the name. As for an Z68 Classified there is no information about that at this time.

EVGA_JacobF

preolt

Will they be on shelves when you announce the date? Or only available at that point. This might be a stupid question but different companies do releases differently.

btw thanks Jacob for putting up with us on the forums, you get a lot of flack for just trying to do your job. 

They will at least be on EVGA.com

I will give another update tonight.
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Jacob, what is the update you telling us tonight....Thanks

On the FTW version, it says 8 sata 300MB, (2 external), then 2 600MB. In the PDF file it basically say 4 internal 300MB sata, 2 External, 2 600MB. From looking at the pictures of the Motherboard, it looks like a total of 6 internal connections and 2 external. That is not ideal, on other motherboards it would appear that you have a choice of using them internal or external. (like the ASUS). Am I correct on the 4x300 and 2x600 internal with 2x300 external ?
Thanks!
Sluggo