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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 16:18:30 (permalink)
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#3 most other companies have showed pictures of their Z68s yet from EVGA nothing


small clarification... pics have been leaked... nothing official has been released except ASRock which jumped the gun over the weekend.

evga is strict about NDAs.

I would say "leaked" but ya EVGA is very strict with their NDAs perhaps to much so. Is the Z68 announcement tomorrow or Wednesday?

 
I heard Wednesday, 5/11/2010. I'm not sure what time though or if there is a specific time other than 12:00 AM. If there is it's usually something like 9:00 AM EDT/6:00 AM PDT. I'm not certain for this though.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 16:22:55 (permalink)
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#3 most other companies have showed pictures of their Z68s yet from EVGA nothing


small clarification... pics have been leaked... nothing official has been released except ASRock which jumped the gun over the weekend.

evga is strict about NDAs.

I would say "leaked" but ya EVGA is very strict with their NDAs perhaps to much so. Is the Z68 announcement tomorrow or Wednesday?


I heard Wednesday, 5/11/2010. I'm not sure what time though or if there is a specific time other than 12:00 AM. If there is it's usually something like 9:00 AM EDT/6:00 AM PDT. I'm not certain for this though.

OK i was wondering 'cause I heard it would be Tuesday than Fudzilla said Wednesday so I'm all confused
btw this thread has 15,000 views yet we still don't have an EVGA mobo

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 16:52:05 (permalink)
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Yes I meant socket 2011..  p67 to z68 is probably a pretty small jump I would say considering, from what I understand is that its basically the same chipset with some different features on it.. Mostly more PCIe lanes?

All so x58 to p67 dose not seem like that far of a jump either.. I think x58 users that are waiting on EVGA boards should wait for z68 and by pass p67 altogether.. But what do I know    "I could be I say I could be wrong."

  Where do you get that idea?
Z68 will have SSD caching
and able to use integrated graphics and overclock CPU (K-chips) along with ability to overclock integrated graphics. Also reduce video transcoding times significantly,  also with the use of Lucidlogix software have the best of both worlds (use of intergrated graphics for encoding and dedicated video card for gaming or what ever) Without having to change where your monitor is connected etc.
PCIE lanes available is the same for  P67 and Z68.
 As far as X58 the only real advantage it has is more PCIE lanes and all the chips can be overclocked. IMO.
Most SB 2500K/2600K will clock higher and score better in equal thread/core counts. (not necessarily clock for clock)
And SB 2500K/2600K will run these higher clocks using a descent air cooling set up.
So IMO if you do not need all the PCIE lanes that X58 offers Sandybridge/P67/Z68 are a upgrade.
Just my opinion.
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:04:38 (permalink)
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#3 most other companies have showed pictures of their Z68s yet from EVGA nothing


small clarification... pics have been leaked... nothing official has been released except ASRock which jumped the gun over the weekend.

evga is strict about NDAs.

I would say "leaked" but ya EVGA is very strict with their NDAs perhaps to much so. Is the Z68 announcement tomorrow or Wednesday?


I heard Wednesday, 5/11/2010. I'm not sure what time though or if there is a specific time other than 12:00 AM. If there is it's usually something like 9:00 AM EDT/6:00 AM PDT. I'm not certain for this though.

OK i was wondering 'cause I heard it would be Tuesday than Fudzilla said Wednesday so I'm all confused
btw this thread has 15,000 views yet we still don't have an EVGA mobo

 
I'm confident an announcement at least would be forthcoming since Jacob said he can't comment on it. You're only NDA bound if you're developing products using with the part under NDA. They'd be silly not to anyway since the Z68 is the P67+Sauce.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:09:03 (permalink)
UPDATE: Price removed from P67 FTW now says "TBD" (To be determined).  Old price $229

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:11:27 (permalink)
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UPDATE: Price removed from P67 FTW now says "TBD" (To be determined).  Old price $229

Now two threads with this info. LOL.
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:14:55 (permalink)
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#3 most other companies have showed pictures of their Z68s yet from EVGA nothing


small clarification... pics have been leaked... nothing official has been released except ASRock which jumped the gun over the weekend.

evga is strict about NDAs.

I would say "leaked" but ya EVGA is very strict with their NDAs perhaps to much so. Is the Z68 announcement tomorrow or Wednesday?


I heard Wednesday, 5/11/2010. I'm not sure what time though or if there is a specific time other than 12:00 AM. If there is it's usually something like 9:00 AM EDT/6:00 AM PDT. I'm not certain for this though.

OK i was wondering 'cause I heard it would be Tuesday than Fudzilla said Wednesday so I'm all confused
btw this thread has 15,000 views yet we still don't have an EVGA mobo


I'm confident an announcement at least would be forthcoming since Jacob said he can't comment on it. You're only NDA bound if you're developing products using with the part under NDA. They'd be silly not to anyway since the Z68 is the P67+Sauce.

here's what I don't get the Z68 going to cost a little more (maybe $10) but its aimed at people with low end hardware. You know the SSD caching and the video transcoding and unlocked on-die GPU, seems to me it should be less than P67 buy whatever I mean I would buy P67 because its cheaper, I don't need the on-die GPU, nor SSD caching, nor the transcoding thing. I just need a gaming platform.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:17:02 (permalink)
Interestingly the P67 SLI remains at $199, which is not very good value considering the P67 FTW was priced at $229. I wonder if this has anything to do with the P67 FTW being missing from the webpage this morning...

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 17:20:18 (permalink)
i dunno that any of it means anything yet... could have been a general website update migration to production at the close of business that had missing prices that'll likely reappear.
 
i probably won't use ssd caching but i like that it's there... I will in all likelihood use the transcoding at some point so that's nice... and the onboard GPU as a fall back ain't so bad either. otherwise p67 suits me.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/09 18:56:29 (permalink)
WTH Price TBH
 
This is actually getting quite frustrating now even for me.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 00:13:52 (permalink)
will P67 FTW support crossfire x ?
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 04:07:32 (permalink)
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Interestingly the P67 SLI remains at $199, which is not very good value considering the P67 FTW was priced at $229. I wonder if this has anything to do with the P67 FTW being missing from the webpage this morning...

 
P67 SLI isn't good value considering it's competitors, not the FTW! I'm hoping that the TBD drops the prices or worst case, keeps it the same. For me if it gets higher and becomes very unattractive. Even at 230$ it's  outside my budget, but i can get it into my upper budget with the evga bucks. We'll see how this works out.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 04:50:40 (permalink)
I'm all for the price being lowered but I some how doubt that it will be...less than $230 seems like their giving it away

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 05:36:27 (permalink)
Okay, Tom's Hardware confirms the Z68 NDA embargo is lifted 5/11/2011.
 
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Z68 is expected to fix shortcomings of the existing H67/P67 Express models and add SSD caching capabilities to the LGA 1155 platform (Ed.: here's a hint: keep your eyes open for more in the next 24 hours)

 
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 05:57:38 (permalink)
good information, I wonder what evga's going to do with the P67 line up. Who would buy a P67 board when Z68s out?

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 06:17:57 (permalink)
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good information, I wonder what evga's going to do with the P67 line up. Who would buy a P67 board when Z68s out?

 
Some folks just don't care and may view it as the simpler the better. I don't know. One question I do have is whether you can disable the GPU on the chip to improve potential OC thermals... or even better, does disabling the GPU improve thermals for OC? I would imagine it does to some degree but by how much is the question.
 
With the P55, EVGA released P55, H55, and P55V so I'm sure there will be Z68 boards and P67 boards but how they position them in their product line and with regard to price... I'm not sure.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 07:11:27 (permalink)
Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.
 
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 08:11:52 (permalink)
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Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.

Is there anything I am missing? Google doesn't help.

 
Rather than go over everything... read this if you haven't... it's a good primer: http://www.tomshardware.c...-ssd-caching,2888.html
 
It covers SSD Caching with some testing, Quick Sync, and intregrated+discrete GPU virtualization. All features of Z68 that you can't utilize with P67. All have their benefits to the mainstream portion of the market without compromising any performance for the enthusiast crowd.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 17:52:59 (permalink)
Usually the more features a MB has the overclock gets hurt a bit unless you add a ton more caps, mosfets, chokes ect.. If the Z68 chipset runs more things it can damper the OC a bit. IE I think the P67 will still be a better chioce for overclocking.
 
This is all speculation tho.

 

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/10 18:40:02 (permalink)
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Usually the more features a MB has the overclock gets hurt a bit unless you add a ton more caps, mosfets, chokes ect.. If the Z68 chipset runs more things it can damper the OC a bit. IE I think the P67 will still be a better chioce for overclocking.

This is all speculation tho.

 
That was mainly back when you had a north and southbridge and cpu... now that the northbridge and integrated graphics are on die with only the pch left that is no longer an issue.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 02:23:51 (permalink)
On twitter Jacob says they are "finalizing" the price...

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 07:38:20 (permalink)
Well, no EVGA products have turned up anywhere yet. Since EVGA is west coast if there will be a Z68 announcement it'll probably come about 12PM EDT or after (9AM PDT).
 
If the P67 aren't available I don't think the Z68 will be. They'll get the P67's out the door and turn around and release Z68s are quickly as possible.
 
Of course, Intel announced Z77 today which does native USB 3.0 and has some additional optimization for Ivy Bridge... the cycle never ends.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 08:47:04 (permalink)
I haven't seen anything online regarding the Z68 version for EVGA, just looks like they have to many internal problems with their motherboard manufacturing...either supply chain or stability issues they are still working out.

 
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 08:59:03 (permalink)
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I haven't seen anything online regarding the Z68 version for EVGA, just looks like they have to many internal problems with their motherboard manufacturing...either supply chain or stability issues they are still working out.


I don't really think that's entirely a fair statement atm...
 
I mean we do have 3 minutes until EVGA's typical announcement time...
 
Perhaps something will happen, perhaps something won't...We'll just have to wait and see.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 10:41:41 (permalink)
Any new .... news?
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 10:44:24 (permalink)
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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 13:11:21 (permalink)
Update: EVGA P67 FTW will be out before June, according to Jacob on twitter. This is good news, it also means my source is useless :p Anyway its some kind of date I guess...June is about 3 weeks away so I will say this, the EVGA P67 FTW will release in the next 3 weeks!

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 15:30:04 (permalink)
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Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.

Is there anything I am missing? Google doesn't help.


Rather than go over everything... read this if you haven't... it's a good primer: http://www.tomshardware.c...-ssd-caching,2888.html

It covers SSD Caching with some testing, Quick Sync, and intregrated+discrete GPU virtualization. All features of Z68 that you can't utilize with P67. All have their benefits to the mainstream portion of the market without compromising any performance for the enthusiast crowd.

Your statement of NOT impacting performance is not necessarily true anymore based on the reviews comparing P67 to z68.  Take a look at the reviews that came out this morning.  Other than in some bench testing (and not gaming benches), the new z68 takes a hit in gaming graphics (2-3 FPS in most games that where tested, more in others).  The "virtual" graphics adapter created by the integrated GPU with the Lucidlogix’s Virtu software causes the impact.  The only place you get any benefit is with transcoding.  And in some instances, Quicksync wouldn't even work with a descrete graphics card attached to the system.

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 15:59:38 (permalink)
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Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.

Is there anything I am missing? Google doesn't help.


Rather than go over everything... read this if you haven't... it's a good primer: http://www.tomshardware.c...-ssd-caching,2888.html

It covers SSD Caching with some testing, Quick Sync, and intregrated+discrete GPU virtualization. All features of Z68 that you can't utilize with P67. All have their benefits to the mainstream portion of the market without compromising any performance for the enthusiast crowd.

Your statement of NOT impacting performance is not necessarily true anymore based on the reviews comparing P67 to z68.  Take a look at the reviews that came out this morning.  Other than in some bench testing (and not gaming benches), the new z68 takes a hit in gaming graphics (2-3 FPS in most games that where tested, more in others).  The "virtual" graphics adapter created by the integrated GPU with the Lucidlogix’s Virtu software causes the impact.  The only place you get any benefit is with transcoding.  And in some instances, Quicksync wouldn't even work with a descrete graphics card attached to the system.

lol looking at benchmarks and Z68 does seem to be .5-3 fps lower in most games not much more though. Still its enough to keep me looking at P67 boards instead of buying a Z68. Why pay more for less FPS when I don't care about sync and ssd caching?

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Re:wait for P67 Classified? 2011/05/11 16:22:02 (permalink)
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Can someone explain me what is so cool about Z68 boards? Integrated GPU? Some lame SSD Caching? And what does it give? I say, nothing. Even when Z68s are out, I'll get P67. Because there isn't much difference, and I wont need intg. GPU.

Is there anything I am missing? Google doesn't help.


Rather than go over everything... read this if you haven't... it's a good primer: http://www.tomshardware.c...-ssd-caching,2888.html

It covers SSD Caching with some testing, Quick Sync, and intregrated+discrete GPU virtualization. All features of Z68 that you can't utilize with P67. All have their benefits to the mainstream portion of the market without compromising any performance for the enthusiast crowd.

Your statement of NOT impacting performance is not necessarily true anymore based on the reviews comparing P67 to z68.  Take a look at the reviews that came out this morning.  Other than in some bench testing (and not gaming benches), the new z68 takes a hit in gaming graphics (2-3 FPS in most games that where tested, more in others).  The "virtual" graphics adapter created by the integrated GPU with the Lucidlogix’s Virtu software causes the impact.  The only place you get any benefit is with transcoding.  And in some instances, Quicksync wouldn't even work with a descrete graphics card attached to the system.

lol looking at benchmarks and Z68 does seem to be .5-3 fps lower in most games not much more though. Still its enough to keep me looking at P67 boards instead of buying a Z68. Why pay more for less FPS when I don't care about sync and ssd caching?

 
2-3 fps is not a playability performance issue. That's within the margin of error. That said, it's also in the configuration of Virtu as well and whether you're using it in the "i" or "d" mode. Of course, not installing it or disabling it is also an option.
 
So I stand by my original statement that graphics performance is no different from P67 to Z68, it just presents you with options to use additional features and increases your configuration preferences based on your personalized usage.

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