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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 2:51 PM (permalink)
I'm going to overrule our moderator's lock, not because they weren't doing their job, but because I would like to make an exception since this is huge worldwide news.
 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 2:53 PM (permalink)
This is huge news and a great moment, thank you Shane. 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:15 PM (permalink)
Believe in the lies people.  To make matters worst, the U.S. authorities have the nerves to say the body of this idiot was dumped in the sea? Really? 
I'll wait for Wikileaks to reveal the true story about this.  The Government likes to lie to the public, what makes you think they wouldn't do it over and over again?

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:18 PM (permalink)
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Believe in the lies people.  To make matters worst, the U.S. authorities have the nerves to say the body of this idiot was dumped in the sea? Really? 
I'll wait for Wikileaks to reveal the true story about this.  The Government likes to lie to the public, what makes you think they wouldn't do it over and over again?

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:18 PM (permalink)
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Believe in the lies people.  To make matters worst, the U.S. authorities have the nerves to say the body of this idiot was dumped in the sea? Really? 
I'll wait for Wikileaks to reveal the true story about this.  The Government likes to lie to the public, what makes you think they wouldn't do it over and over again?


yeah that whole "burial at sea" is a little strange.  you would think they would keep it as evidence of his death.   makes me wonder.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:24 PM (permalink)
No US casualties, very little protection at the so called Bin Laden compound, dumping the body at sea...........lol and people believe he was really killed!!! Show me physical proof, until then I am verrrrrrrrrry skeptical 

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:24 PM (permalink)
I could care less what they do with the body.
 

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:28 PM (permalink)
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No US casualties, very little protection at the so called Bin Laden compound, dumping the body at sea...........lol and people believe he was really killed!!! Show me physical proof, until then I am verrrrrrrrrry skeptical 


they always say "no us casualities" in these delta force type operations.  if any soldiers died during this, they will officially have died during a training detail.  its about security for those involved.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:36 PM (permalink)
As someone that proudly served in Iraq, this is welcomed news.     


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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:36 PM (permalink)
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I'm disappointed in people with how they believe this is remotely a meaningful event. They guy is irrelevant extremist trash. His death is not going to improve anything when it comes to militant extremists wanting to kill people around the world. Terrorists are not a top-down lead hierarchy. They're lead by their misguided beliefs, not by people above them. We are all being played for fools by people in Washington right now to deflect attention on issues of greater importance.

This is largely a symbolic and empty event in the grand scheme of things.

Your a smart guy didn't expect an american to see this point of view they are often blinded by the "event" in the short term circus that always accompanies such news. I think had this have been a reality 9 years ago it would have had more of an impact on the spread of global terrorism much like an early antibiotic treatment in a bacterial infection (I view them to be similar). I think the global terror networks have fractured and matured to a more localized threat and you are 100 percent in that it is now relegated to just a symbolic event.
As is the case in most wars the loss of a symbolic leader can be enough to break the moral of the fighting force who view that symbolistic leader as being "untouchable" or some how blessed as the chosen one.
It is my view as Brad has pointed out an economic distraction but a welcome one you have had quite a bad run as a country economically. So enjoy but I would caution if you don't have money to buy a box of bullets in ten years time it will be a hollow victory if you don't knuckle down and fix your bigger issues.
Short term there will be alot of security clamp downs they in my opinion will be warranted...

                                   
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:43 PM (permalink)
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I'm disappointed in people with how they believe this is remotely a meaningful event. They guy is irrelevant extremist trash. His death is not going to improve anything when it comes to militant extremists wanting to kill people around the world. Terrorists are not a top-down lead hierarchy. They're lead by their misguided beliefs, not by people above them. We are all being played for fools by people in Washington right now to deflect attention on issues of greater importance.

This is largely a symbolic and empty event in the grand scheme of things.

Your a smart guy didn't expect an american to see this point of view they are often blinded by the "event" in the short term circus that always accompanies such news. I think had this have been a reality 9 years ago it would have had more of an impact on the spread of global terrorism much like an early antibiotic treatment in a bacterial infection (I view them to be similar). I think the global terror networks have fractured and matured to a more localized threat and you are 100 percent in that it is now relegated to just a symbolic event.
As is the case in most wars the loss of a symbolic leader can be enough to break the moral of the fighting force who view that symbolistic leader as being "untouchable" or some how blessed as the chosen one.
It is my view as Brad has pointed out an economic distraction but a welcome one you have had quite a bad run as a country economically. So enjoy but I would caution if you don't have money to buy a box of bullets in ten years time it will be a hollow victory if you don't knuckle down and fix your bigger issues.
Short term there will be alot of security clamp downs they in my opinion will be warranted...

Unfortunately the style of victory to impose a lasting change in that region will most likely not occur in our lifetimes. Genocide is not an option and cultural change takes generations in regressive environments. Although, historically speaking, there have been many other conflicts that the US has been involved in and seemingly created little to no change as well and ended up being rather unpopular events in general.
 
All in all par for course, but this event does bring emotional closure to individuals directly impacted by the event.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:47 PM (permalink)
Well i for one do not think he is dead. According to analyst this is the dude that runs they show. Why would you bust up in a compound to kill this guy? You would do everything in your power to take him alive. He is worth more alive than dead. That is the reason for the weird story that they buried him at sea, to respect Islamic law, I think it is a little to late. Not trying to get political or anything mods. Just saying. Highly unlikely that this dude is dead, he is some where being drained of information.




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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:48 PM (permalink)
You can plow the soil and place the seeds but in the end once you walk away and leave it to the local gardeners you either end up with a plot full of weeds or a beautiful garden. Im grateful and proud that you gave it a chance hopefully one day you don't have to herbicide it again and try it again. 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:51 PM (permalink)
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You can plow the soil and place the seeds but in the end once you walk away and leave it to the local gardeners you either end up with a plot full of weeds or a beautiful garden. Im grateful and proud that you gave it a chance hopefully one day you don't have to herbicide it again and try it again. 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:54 PM (permalink)
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Well i for one do not think he is dead. According to analyst this is the dude that runs they show. Why would you bust up in a compound to kill this guy? You would do everything in your power to take him alive. He is worth more alive than dead. That is the reason for the weird story that they buried him at sea, to respect Islamic law, I think it is a little to late. Not trying to get political or anything mods. Just saying. Highly unlikely that this dude is dead, he is some where being drained of information.

Good point my first thoughts as well Geneva convention doesn't apply to dead people wink wink. Plus you have to put them on trial and well like Saddam it gets a bit messy really. Much better to put a bag over their head and say sorry he was killed very brave defence but yet totally dead nothing to see here....
 
Goes better with a justice has been done speech if it is past tenths really I have to say...
 
 

                                   
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 3:59 PM (permalink)
I'm curious what Pakistan does in the next 48 hours. Should be interesting.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:00 PM (permalink)
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Well i for one do not think he is dead. According to analyst this is the dude that runs they show. Why would you bust up in a compound to kill this guy? You would do everything in your power to take him alive. He is worth more alive than dead. That is the reason for the weird story that they buried him at sea, to respect Islamic law, I think it is a little to late. Not trying to get political or anything mods. Just saying. Highly unlikely that this dude is dead, he is some where being drained of information.

lol, there are pictures of bin Laden with a bullet hole in his forehead. He is dead, it did not matter if he was taken alive, his death shows he was not protected by any type of God to carry out his terror or that he was untouchable. Follow the news on why he was buried at sea. US officials did not want him to have a marked grave for his supporters to have a place to worship him.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:03 PM (permalink)
The pic floating around that claims to show him dead might be Photoshopped. There are a few sources showing the photoshopped pic sources. Either someone is trolling the internet by Photoshopping the pic or someone is trolling by claiming it's Photoshopped. Either way it's a troll's wet dream.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:04 PM (permalink)
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I'm disappointed in people with how they believe this is remotely a meaningful event. They guy is irrelevant extremist trash. His death is not going to improve anything when it comes to militant extremists wanting to kill people around the world. Terrorists are not a top-down lead hierarchy. They're lead by their misguided beliefs, not by people above them. We are all being played for fools by people in Washington right now to deflect attention on issues of greater importance.

This is largely a symbolic and empty event in the grand scheme of things.


actually they are led from the top down.  they all come from countries that have theocratic governments where they are brainwashed into rediculous and racist ideologies from birth by the state, its the law there.  the terrorists receive funding from elements within these governments that embezzle the taxes, so they can officially deny responsibility.  they arent the disorganized individualists that we are led to believe.
 
doesnt the fact that osama was found living in a MILLION DOLLAR MANSION in a pakistani town not far from the country's PREMIER MILITARY ACADEMY indicate anything to you?  i am willing to bet that most high ranking officers in pakistan's army were invloved in a conspiracy of aiding and abetting this criminal for the past ten years.  they all share the same intolerant ideology.  if they did not share these views, this type of insanely ideological terrorism would not exist.
 
for example,  when a fundamentalist nutjob blows up a gynecologist's office in georgia, what happens to him?  he is villified and goes to jail.  not many terrorist movements originating from north america.
 
when a fundamentalist nutjob kills a pakistani politician for criticizing blasphemy laws, what happens?  he is praised by their media for his bravery and the judge gives him a lenient sentence.  many many many terrorist movements originating in that region.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:04 PM (permalink)
Yes there is a fake photo floating around. Even US officials says it's fake.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:10 PM (permalink)
Like someone else said, he is now a martyr in the name of his screwed up beliefs.  I really hope it doesn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if terrorist attacks increased in intensity and frequency now as a means of retaliation.

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:12 PM (permalink)
I agree with these guys.  When I heard (along with everyone else last night) that OBL had been killed, I was sceptical.  Immediately Alex Jones started pounding his website with claims that he was killed a week ago and kept on ice for DNA results.  Then also claiming that he was killed in 2002 and the government was waiting for a good time to make it public to win points.
 
I don't know when he was killed, but the announcement of his death, or the approval of such a mission, does seem very much planned.  With wars upon 3 fronts, a downward spiraling economy, and presidential approval at an all time low, this couldn't have come at a better time for them.
 
Burial at sea only 12 hours after his death?  Really?  How convenient.  Now there is no way anyone can really know if it was him or not.  We have to take their word for it.  Its kind of like a kid that constantly gets bad grades.  One day he comes home and says "I got an A on my test today!"  You say "Great, where is it?  Lets hang it on the fridge."  Then the kid says, "oh, I just threw it away when I was at school."
Would you believe the kid?  No.
 
If anything, I hope it is a morale booster those brave men and women that are fighting out there.  God knows they need it.  I just wish it was something a little more real.  Something that could at least feel less staged.  I don't think this will alter the minds of our enemies much.  One ABC news correspondent from Afghanistan said it perfectly last night before the address to the nation.  She said most people in Afghanistan, and the Taliban fighters have never heard of Osama bin Laden.  Most fighting comes from Taliban, not Al Qaeda. But even if they had, they would continue to fight on.  You can't kill an idea.  Watching the news last night made me think of the last words of Che Guevara : "I know you have come to kill me.  Shoot, you will only kill a man."
 
 
 
See pictures of the OBL house here.  Notice the yellow evidence bags.  Also notice the daunting black suit slacks and polished dress shoes.  That isn't a Navy Seal...
 
 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:17 PM (permalink)
I still PERSONALLY believe that osama is relaxing at the expense of the american tax payer, on some nice tropical island. 

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:21 PM (permalink)
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when a fundamentalist nutjob kills a pakistani politician for criticizing blasphemy laws, what happens?  he is praised by their media for his bravery and the judge gives him a lenient sentence.  many many many terrorist movements originating in that region.

 
What I'm saying is their society feeds on that sort of thing. Their belief system is more powerful than merely losing a figurehead. I highly doubt this will lessen terrorist activity and if anything increase it. When you hit a hornets nest with a bat, something is going to come out. I personally see it as a hollow victory. The only thing that would truly make for any change would be to effect change to their society and what is tolerated. I don't see that happening any time soon. There would have to be too many lines that most are not willing to cross on both sides in order for that to occur.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:21 PM (permalink)
I think someone is just trying to beef-up his resume for re-election 

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:22 PM (permalink)
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when a fundamentalist nutjob kills a pakistani politician for criticizing blasphemy laws, what happens?  he is praised by their media for his bravery and the judge gives him a lenient sentence.  many many many terrorist movements originating in that region.


What I'm saying is their society feeds on that sort of thing. Their belief system is more powerful than merely losing a figurehead. I highly doubt this will lessen terrorist activity and if anything increase it. When you hit a hornets nest with a bat, something is going to come out. I personally see it as a hollow victory. The only thing that would truly make for any change would be to effect change to their society and what is tolerated. I don't see that happening any time soon.
Well, if you are spending most of your time searching for something to strike, isn't it easier to strike it when you bait it to come out of its hole?
 
This is not to imply by any strech of the imagination that anyone can watch everywhere at the same time and react accordingly.

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:23 PM (permalink)
Yeah the photo of him dead is photoshoped, I have the original picture and a bookmark of the website it came from, And the article it came from is date December 2010.
 
I do find this whole things odd as everyone else does it seems. I want to beleive he died like is reported. But i have issue with going with just what people say without some kinda proff, and the lack of that and the fake photo going around bugs me.

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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:27 PM (permalink)
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Yeah the photo of him dead is photoshoped, I have the original picture and a bookmark of the website it came from, And the article it came from is date December 2010. 

I do find this whole things odd as everyone else does it seems. I want to beleive he died like is reported. But i have issue with going with just what people say without some kinda proff, and the lack of that and the fake photo going around bugs me. 
 
me2, it's not the 1st time it was reported he died, but this is the 1st time a SpecOps teams said they killed him with guns and took his body onto a USN ship. Those guys are not in the habit of lying.
 
While it is not a good characteristic to rejoice a man's death, it is a day to celebrate because an evil man who made the world a terrible place is no longer in this world. 
  
About Bin Laden and his son 
 
 
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:28 PM (permalink)
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Well, if you are spending most of your time searching for something to strike, isn't it easier to strike it when you bait it to come out of its hole?

This is not to imply by any strech of the imagination that anyone can watch everywhere at the same time and react accordingly.

 
Question is, who is baiting who out of the hole? Seems to me that we're doing more reaction than proaction.
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Re:Osama Bin Laden killed! Monday, May 02, 2011 4:29 PM (permalink)
I would be very surprised if this turned out to be fact.
 
From what I have seen, the dude was pretty sick, and may very well have died from natural causes years ago...he also may even still be alive and well in a cave somewhere. The burial at sea and the timing of this seems all very convenient.
 
The point is, this is starting to look less like a great news story and more like a "Hey look everyone! I just solved the worlds problems and buried a criminal masterminds body in the ocean! Don't forget to reelect me in 2012!"...
 
If the guy is dead, check the politics at the door...I don't care if you hated or supported the guy, he killed many people that had nothing to do with a military conflict, which in most cases is referred to as genocide. I doubt I would have ever had respect for him, but had he attacked military personnel, I at least would look at him as a war criminal or just another one of the many enemies of the US, and not a mass murderer.
 
Who cares what you think about politics or religion, the point is, a guy that had a huge impact on the 21st century may have died...that is news, no matter if you hated or loved the guy.
post edited by Requital - Monday, May 02, 2011 4:31 PM
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