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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 14:57:50 (permalink)
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Where exactly did you see vrel and vop? Those relate to voltages and not being able to boost higher due to voltage limit. I don't see it hit in your screenshot. Looks idle all the way across.
 




I took the screenshot too late. I'll have to repeat it.
 
Do these numbers look decent so far?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 15:00:30 (permalink)
I think so. With no tweaking getting 14700 is great. Classified should send you beyond 15,000 for sure.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 15:07:23 (permalink)
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I think so. With no tweaking getting 14700 is great. Classified should send you beyond 15,000 for sure.




Alright, I'll keep trying. I wish I knew how to make custom curves and set the right voltages in classified. I'm trying to figure it out.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:05:13 (permalink)
Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?
 
What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?
 
I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:17:03 (permalink)
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Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?
 
What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?
 
I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(




There's physical DIP switches.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:32:11 (permalink)

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55284398
 
How does this look? +150 core, +0 mem, max power and voltage slider on PX1, max fans. 498w and 118% TDP.
 
Looks like I'm at a mix of vrel vop and vpwr. On my FTW3 Hybrid I was always limited by the green power limit wall.
 
And where are these dip switches on the card? Are they on by default, and what do they do?
 
Edit: Just realized my power slider was 119% and not 121% this whole time. Not sure how much of a difference this will make. About to try +1000 mem
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:39:24 (permalink)
Try closing all apps except PX1 minimized.  Shutdown all unnecessary services.  Quit bloated tray apps.  Don't run GPUZ or HWINFO.  Just watch frames and key scene transitions as guides in the test.  Fan load on the card affect performance, too.
 
That's a lot better than my FTW3.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:45:17 (permalink)
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Try closing all apps except PX1 minimized.  Shutdown all unnecessary services.  Quit bloated tray apps.  Don't run GPUZ or HWINFO.  Just watch frames and key scene transitions as guides in the test.  Fan load on the card affect performance, too.
 
That's a lot better than my FTW3.




I'll give that a try. I offloaded the 3x AIO fans to a controller with SATA power. So the only fan the KP has to power is the internal board fan.
 
Here's the run with +150 / +1000, same settings as before.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55284767
 
Not sure if it'll be reaching 15.4k+, but I haven't really started to tweak it much at all with classified because I don't know how.
 


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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:51:04 (permalink)
1500 memory, 160-165 clock at 20c or less starting temp with sustained 35-38c temps will get you in the low to mid 15's. I'm still trying to figure out the classified toll but as of right now it's lowering my numbers until I play with it more. Flying toaster is right, it's meant for LN2, if you want a good card to play around with a stock cooler get the FTW3 and save $200. Plus you have to listen to Metallica when overclocking or it won't work at all.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 16:58:24 (permalink)
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Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?
 
What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?
 
I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(

Both on will set nvvdd to 1.15v. For the stock aio max would be 1.2 on nvvdd/msvdd & 1.4 on fbvdd.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:00:03 (permalink)
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I'll give that a try. I offloaded the 3x AIO fans to a controller with SATA power. So the only fan the KP has to power is the internal board fan.
 
Here's the run with +150 / +1000, same settings as before.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55284767
 
Not sure if it'll be reaching 15.4k+, but I haven't really started to tweak it much at all with classified because I don't know how.
 





I get ~ same score at 150, too.  GPU runs around 2170 and peaks at 2190 if I remember.  Getting there...

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:03:36 (permalink)
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Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?
 
What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?
 
I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(

Both on will set nvvdd to 1.15v. For the stock aio max would be 1.2 on nvvdd/msvdd & 1.4 on fbvdd.



I thought without any changes it's supposed to already go up to 1.1v anyway. If each DIP does .25mv shouldn't it be 1.75v without changing anything in classified?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:07:11 (permalink)
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I get ~ same score at 150, too.  GPU runs around 2170 and peaks at 2190 if I remember.  Getting there...


 
Basically spot on what I'm seeing. 2160-2170 avg. run, same peak I think, and +150. I wonder if tweaking NVVDD and others in classified will help it along more.

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Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?

What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?

I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(

Both on will set nvvdd to 1.15v. For the stock aio max would be 1.2 on nvvdd/msvdd & 1.4 on fbvdd.



I thought without any changes it's supposed to already go up to 1.1v anyway. If each DIP does .25mv shouldn't it be 1.75v without changing anything in classified?



Can't you set these in classified instead of the switches?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:09:20 (permalink)
Default clocks and no changes to the voltage slider only allow 1.081. Full voltage slider allows 1.10. Both switches on is 1.15.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:10:29 (permalink)
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I get ~ same score at 150, too.  GPU runs around 2170 and peaks at 2190 if I remember.  Getting there...


 
Basically spot on what I'm seeing. 2160-2170 avg. run, same peak I think, and +150. I wonder if tweaking NVVDD and others in classified will help it along more.

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Oh, and what does "Both NVVDD switches on" mean? I have the LN2/OC/Norm switch, but are these physical switches?

What are some max numbers for NVVDD, FB and MS for classified to not exceed? Always stay on load line 1? And keep on OCP to be safe?

I tried searching around google and youtube for pointers on how to do this, and didn't find anything :(

Both on will set nvvdd to 1.15v. For the stock aio max would be 1.2 on nvvdd/msvdd & 1.4 on fbvdd.



I thought without any changes it's supposed to already go up to 1.1v anyway. If each DIP does .25mv shouldn't it be 1.75v without changing anything in classified?



Can't you set these in classified instead of the switches?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:17:07 (permalink)
Thank you Sajin.
 
Any more recommendations you have for tweaking? If crashing at say +175 core, do you add more power to NVVDD to try and get it stable?
 
Any changes to loadline? I'm thinking to just keep OCP on, don't want to play with fire for something I don't know.
 
And if its not a power limit in GPUZ but a VREL and VOP, would this mean you need more voltage for the clock speed?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:35:29 (permalink)
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Thank you Sajin.
 
Any more recommendations you have for tweaking? If crashing at say +175 core, do you add more power to NVVDD to try and get it stable?
 
Any changes to loadline? I'm thinking to just keep OCP on, don't want to play with fire for something I don't know.
 
And if its not a power limit in GPUZ but a VREL and VOP, would this mean you need more voltage for the clock speed?

Yeah, add more nvvdd. Leave on level 1 for both. Keeping ocp on might not let you overvolt the card past a certain voltage, so turning them off is recommended so you know the voltage is actually being applied.

VRel = Cards at the end of its voltage boost table, so it lists voltage reliability as the performance cap.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:35:41 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55286438
 
15,187 with +150/+1200... OCP off for NVVDD
 
1.25v
1.4v
1.1v
400
400
 
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Thank you Sajin.
 
Any more recommendations you have for tweaking? If crashing at say +175 core, do you add more power to NVVDD to try and get it stable?
 
Any changes to loadline? I'm thinking to just keep OCP on, don't want to play with fire for something I don't know.
 
And if its not a power limit in GPUZ but a VREL and VOP, would this mean you need more voltage for the clock speed?

Yeah, add more nvvdd. Leave on level 1 for both. Keeping ocp on might not let you overvolt the card past a certain voltage, so turning them off is recommended so you know the voltage is actually being applied.

VRel = Cards at the end of its voltage boost table, so it lists voltage reliability as the performance cap.
VOp = Cards hitting the max allowed voltage, so lists operating voltage as the performance cap.

 
This is very helpful.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:41:51 (permalink)
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 17:46:58 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55286706
 
15,204. +150 and +1300. Had a little bit of screen flickering. Temps mid 40s. 516W power draw, still hitting vrel vop and vpwr mixed in throughout run. 2163 average clock speed on the core. I wonder if a bit more voltage to the memory would help the flickering. I don't think there's a ton left in it at these settings. Maybe another 100 for both memory and score.
 
Seems like a decent bin. Not bad by any means, but didn't hit gold. Probably slightly limited by CPU combo too.
 
EDIT: So VRel reaching end of voltage boost table, can this be fixed with more NVVDD or do you have to set a table that allows more specifically? I would think the prior?
 
Man I bet she would scream with the XOC.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55287450
 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 18:08:29 (permalink)
Are any of you guys adding NVVDD voltage for gaming? I am leaving mine at stock voltage for longevity.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 18:11:57 (permalink)
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Are any of you guys adding NVVDD voltage for gaming? I am leaving mine at stock voltage for longevity.



I'm planning on stock voltage for gaming and probably +100/+800 for a conservative daily driver.
 
Sajin, I wonder if I'd be up around your mid 15k score with XOC. That way I wouldn't be hitting these limiters. I'm thinking that even though I bump up the NVVDD and MSVDD, I'm still at the mercy of watts as I'm hitting 126-127% TDP and 520 w on LN2 Bios. She's basically starved for power.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 18:18:58 (permalink)
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Are any of you guys adding NVVDD voltage for gaming? I am leaving mine at stock voltage for longevity.



I'm planning on stock voltage for gaming and probably +100/+800 for a conservative daily driver.
 
Sajin, I wonder if I'd be up around your mid 15k score with XOC. That way I wouldn't be hitting these limiters. I'm thinking that even though I bump up the NVVDD and MSVDD, I'm still at the mercy of watts as I'm hitting 126-127% TDP and 520 w on LN2 Bios. She's basically starved for power.


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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 18:29:00 (permalink)
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Strange.  I'm only getting 14.8K with an average clock of 2142MHz and memory offset at +1400MHz.  I didn't touch the Classified Tool for this run.  Mine is definitely not a lottery winner either.  Far from it.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55181212


I haven't broken 15k with mine either even with spending a lot of time mucking in classifier.  I'm on a 5900X so maybe my MB/CPU is a hinderance.  I'm using the BIOS that shipped with the latest PX1.  I was using a PCIe extension cable but changing directly to the slot didn't improve anything.
 
How warm is your GPU die getting?  Mine seems to quickly climb up in the 40c and then ends past 46c+.  I can see a GPU step down at 36c and at 46c.
 


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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 18:59:31 (permalink)
Some corrections on how voltage on Nvidia cards actually work. 
 
1. Voltage slider in afterburner/px1 merely permits additional voltage steps on driver v/f curve, it does not increase the actual supplied voltage per curve step by 100mv etc.
 
2. Driver reported voltage via GPU-Z or HWInfo is entirely different from actual voltage being set by voltage controller. Afterburner and PX1 poll the actual VC via i2c so that voltage is closer to accurate. Driver voltage is the voltage the Nvida driver requests based on power draw and driver clockspeed. The second you start touching voltages this value is completely meaningless, since i2c via classified etc overwrites this requested driver voltage. 
 
3. LLC can massively modify the actual voltage on NVDDD at chip. You need to actually probe the rail to observe this; luckily kpe probe-it makes this trivial.
 
4. OCP is not going to limit you, at all, outside of extreme voltages under LN2. The amperages required to trip OCP are in the range of actual electrical shorts, AKA not even close to the 20A or so you are gonna be maxing out on <1.2V. 1.5V when the temp isn't -140 degrees after the grease unknowingly cracks on LN2 though, now that's a different story and that is why you are able to turn it off. Also if you trip OCB it will be a hard card crash, observable as a device cycle in event viewer as opposed to a driver disconnect etc from a normal instability crash. So stop turning off OCP if you aren't benching on sub-ambient on extreme volts, its doing nothing except letting your card die instantly if you ever short. 
 
5. The dip switches are a voltage offset applied on top of  driver requested voltage. So you can simply flip a dip to increase voltage higher than what v/f curve says and therefore move the frequency higher at each point without instability. While direct i2c via classified is a static target voltage, meaning the value you select what you want the end on-chip voltage to be at all times, so the voltage controller will over supply to compensate for droop based on llc, plane loss, etc. 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 19:13:41 (permalink)
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Strange.  I'm only getting 14.8K with an average clock of 2142MHz and memory offset at +1400MHz.  I didn't touch the Classified Tool for this run.  Mine is definitely not a lottery winner either.  Far from it.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55181212


I haven't broken 15k with mine either even with spending a lot of time mucking in classifier.  I'm on a 5900X so maybe my MB/CPU is a hinderance.  I'm using the BIOS that shipped with the latest PX1.  I was using a PCIe extension cable but changing directly to the slot didn't improve anything.
 
How warm is your GPU die getting?  Mine seems to quickly climb up in the 40c and then ends past 46c+.  I can see a GPU step down at 36c and at 46c.
 



I should note, I did NOT update firmware when asked in PX1 after seeing how many people had their OLED screen break. I deleted the firmware folder and the firmware updater in library folder.
 
My 15,238 was on +150/+1350, max slider for power/voltage, 1.125 NVVDD and MSVDD, ocp off

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 19:56:19 (permalink)
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Some corrections on how voltage on Nvidia cards actually work. 
 
1. Voltage slider in afterburner/px1 merely permits additional voltage steps on driver v/f curve, it does not increase the actual supplied voltage per curve step by 100mv etc.
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This is great information, thank you for sharing. When seeing Vrel and Vop, will increasing voltages help fix this or changing curves, as long as you are also not simultaneously hitting Pwr limits?
 
I think I've reach the end of the road for the LN2 stock bios, as I'm hitting ~510-520w, and seeing occasional Pwr limit but constantly seeing Vrel and VOP when setting my clocks faster.

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Luumi just dropped a how to overclock your KP 3090 video and it's good.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIoeeUW5oc&t=312s
 

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 20:17:56 (permalink)
I def can not do 1600 on memory

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 22:20:09 (permalink)
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Luumi just dropped a how to overclock your KP 3090 video and it's good.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIoeeUW5oc&t=312s
 




I skimmed through the video but it didn't go over anything in the classified tool and he was just bumping up memory and gpu clocks. Didn't really explain the perfcaps or anything. He got some decent scores though.
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