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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 07:41:29 (permalink)
14906 is the highest I can get at ambient. This is with some tweaking in the classified tool. Power limit and heat are a problem, very close to cracking 15k but keep getting crashes at the end of the test when my temps exceed 55C. Without classified tool I got 14832.
 
I'll need to get the portable ac unit out or wait for a cold night to crack 15k.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 09:28:30 (permalink)
What’s the advantage of afterburner vs precision x1?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 09:33:11 (permalink)
You guys are all requesting XOC BIOS and voiding your warranties? Is it really worth it?
 
I understand the watt per performance ratio is pretty bad after about 550 watts, especially due to all the extra heat. I live in NE, I was thinking about dangling the AIO out my window and letting it suck in 20 degree air to try it out lol.
 
For the rest of the time, I hope my KP will run the full 520w on ambient and get 15k+ PR scores with a modest overclock. Never messed with any GPU overclocking past using settings on PX1/MSI AB. Never messed with the settings you have all mentioned or used classified tool. Might be needing some help tomorrow when the KP shows up!

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 09:35:14 (permalink)
Also, can someone explain a little more about the curves for voltage and clocks, and how some of you were "tricking" the card so it wouldn't throttle as much as I saw on some other threads?
 
Is the goal to undervolt enough so it will still run stable and not crash, and by undervolting, you produce less heat so it is also less likely to crash? Basically a balancing act. You can undervolt by adjusting the voltages themselves in the classified tool? But you leave the power limit up so the card can still draw the power it needs at higher clocks, right?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 12:18:05 (permalink)
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What’s the advantage of afterburner vs precision x1?


None that I know of beyond the fact that I was able to get higher scores with this KP card using MSI Afterburner. Once I get the XOC Bios I’ll switch back to X1 and the classified tool so I can get more detailed and push it farther. The biggest factor is temps. Regardless of power, temps will limit performance way more than anything else.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 13:08:14 (permalink)
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Can you guys link the XOC VBios and the Classified tool?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 14:54:58 (permalink)
14725 with the classified settings most people are using and sliders to the right.  All runs on ln2 bios.  About 1370 mem is my sweet spot as far as I can tell for now.
 
I'm having so many issues run to run, so many odd quirks and bugs.  The worst one is high clocks + low power.  Core clock will read 2175 but then i realize the card is only pulling 380W for the run.  Only a reboot fixes that one.
 
Right now I'm fighting my card being all over the place with clocks.  In the same run it will sit at 1950 for far too long and pulling 530 watts, and then out of nowhere it will attempt 2200+ and crash.  My best runs, it will cap out at around 2160 (where I would like to keep it), but still run too low for a low average.  Starting temps are around 20C and ending around 47C.  My 3080 never had this much "play" in its clock frequencies.
 
I've tried flattening the curve in MSI, but it doesn't appear to be following what I set.  I think there's definitely some weirdness between driver/classified tool/MSI/Precision, and I'm going to clean it all out when I have a chance and try again.
 
My previous best was around 14,500 and that was when it was only pulling 480watts and all I did was "sliders to the right".  Frustrated to do so much tweaking and to only gain 250 points.
 
P.S. My mem2 sensor is usually about 2C warmer than the others non GPU sensors, and takes forever to cool down after a run.  Anyone else notice the same?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 17:46:21 (permalink)
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14725 with the classified settings most people are using and sliders to the right.  All runs on ln2 bios.  About 1370 mem is my sweet spot as far as I can tell for now.
 
I'm having so many issues run to run, so many odd quirks and bugs.  The worst one is high clocks + low power.  Core clock will read 2175 but then i realize the card is only pulling 380W for the run.  Only a reboot fixes that one.
 
Right now I'm fighting my card being all over the place with clocks.  In the same run it will sit at 1950 for far too long and pulling 530 watts, and then out of nowhere it will attempt 2200+ and crash.  My best runs, it will cap out at around 2160 (where I would like to keep it), but still run too low for a low average.  Starting temps are around 20C and ending around 47C.  My 3080 never had this much "play" in its clock frequencies.
 
I've tried flattening the curve in MSI, but it doesn't appear to be following what I set.  I think there's definitely some weirdness between driver/classified tool/MSI/Precision, and I'm going to clean it all out when I have a chance and try again.
 
My previous best was around 14,500 and that was when it was only pulling 480watts and all I did was "sliders to the right".  Frustrated to do so much tweaking and to only gain 250 points.
 
P.S. My mem2 sensor is usually about 2C warmer than the others non GPU sensors, and takes forever to cool down after a run.  Anyone else notice the same?




I would go back to scratch. Try Basic settings and see where you get from there. Only change one thing at a time and once you reach its max go to the next, such as trying your clock first find it‘s max then start trying memory until you find it’s max. The memory heats up a ton and I have a huge fan pointed at it on high, its the only way to cool it down. Take 5-10 minutes between runs and make sure the memory is in the mid to low 20’s also. IF you use the classified tool Loney use it to take the ”safety“ of so you don’t keep hitting the power max. It also sounds like you have another program running in the background that may be sucking power, hence why rebooting fixes it. Kill all programs except X1 and try from there.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 18:24:00 (permalink)
Finally broke 15k tonight. Custom curve that started with 140 offset and was raised to 155-165 at voltages above 1050mV. LN2 bios.
NVVDD 1.15
FBVDD 1.3875
MSVDD 1.04375
400/400
LL 1/LL 1
OCP off
Room temp about 65F, case open with a fan blowing into it.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55232911

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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/667106
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 18:49:11 (permalink)
I'm confused, how is it some KP customers have access to the XOC bios and others don't? I emailed the KP email that was posted in this forum with a serial and haven't received a response. It says "ULTIMATE XOC" right at the top of the product page.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 19:05:56 (permalink)
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I'm confused, how is it some KP customers have access to the XOC bios and others don't? I emailed the KP email that was posted in this forum with a serial and haven't received a response. It says "ULTIMATE XOC" right at the top of the product page.

edit: side note. this card is a monster imo.




It takes Vince time to email it to you. On a side note You are part of Spark Master Tapes Group! Huge fan and y’all have the sickest computer setups seriously. Welcome to the club the Kingpin will definitely step up your game. 

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/20 22:14:06 (permalink)
Highest I've been able to do.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/667624
 
Classified:
1.1v
1.4v
1.125v
400/400
L1/L1
Enable/Enable
 
Afterburner: +160/+1000
 
I also have a small, Noctua 92mm fan blowing on the backplate.
 
I should have a Corsair Pro controller coming tomorrow so I can move the fans off of the card's power and onto SATA power so hopefully that will give a bit of extra juice.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 02:01:15 (permalink)
Not super impressed with the stock Kingpin by the results I’m seeing here. My 3090 Suprim X can do 14,500 port royal just fine simply by maxing the fans and using +160/+1000 clocks in afterburner. 14,300 with quiet fans. These <5% marginal gains going to a Kingpin are so incredibly slim :(
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 05:39:56 (permalink)
By doing VF OC which is proper way you see your chip is not bad at all. 2235 and 2220 Holds. Probably  hitting PT with " the other way".
 
I still ask for 525W for FTW3 3080 because i can do 2310 + easy with + 15mV and slightly more PT.
 
Cant you do VF OC and same time classy tool tweak ?

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 08:31:38 (permalink)
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Not super impressed with the stock Kingpin by the results I’m seeing here. My 3090 Suprim X can do 14,500 port royal just fine simply by maxing the fans and using +160/+1000 clocks in afterburner. 14,300 with quiet fans. These <5% marginal gains going to a Kingpin are so incredibly slim :(


The Kingpin is fundamentally an extreme overclocking card. It’s designed to handle liquid nitrogen without hard mods. A lot of people are new to the KPE this time around and they expect it to outperform other 3090s when casually moving the sliders to the right while listening to Dave Matthews Band. That you achieved +5% over another overclocked 3090 is both impressive and not guaranteed.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 08:44:30 (permalink)
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Not super impressed with the stock Kingpin by the results I’m seeing here. My 3090 Suprim X can do 14,500 port royal just fine simply by maxing the fans and using +160/+1000 clocks in afterburner. 14,300 with quiet fans. These <5% marginal gains going to a Kingpin are so incredibly slim :(


The Kingpin is fundamentally an extreme overclocking card. It’s designed to handle liquid nitrogen without hard mods. A lot of people are new to the KPE this time around and they expect it to outperform other 3090s when casually moving the sliders to the right while listening to Dave Matthews Band. That you achieved +5% over another overclocked 3090 is both impressive and not guaranteed.



Except these are supposedly binned and everyone has WILDLY different performance. One guy without doing anything using classified tool is hitting above 15k while a majority of us can't even hit 15k
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 09:03:17 (permalink)
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Not super impressed with the stock Kingpin by the results I’m seeing here. My 3090 Suprim X can do 14,500 port royal just fine simply by maxing the fans and using +160/+1000 clocks in afterburner. 14,300 with quiet fans. These <5% marginal gains going to a Kingpin are so incredibly slim :(


The Kingpin is fundamentally an extreme overclocking card. It’s designed to handle liquid nitrogen without hard mods. A lot of people are new to the KPE this time around and they expect it to outperform other 3090s when casually moving the sliders to the right while listening to Dave Matthews Band. That you achieved +5% over another overclocked 3090 is both impressive and not guaranteed.



Except these are supposedly binned and everyone has WILDLY different performance. One guy without doing anything using classified tool is hitting above 15k while a majority of us can't even hit 15k



For these reasons I may pass on KP and hang onto FTW3 Ultra that I will be waterblocking.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 09:29:22 (permalink)
Apparently clocks, including average clock, mean nothing.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55265021
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55266820
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55260297
 
My highest score has lower average clocks.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 09:35:07 (permalink)
They MEAN something.
 
Port Royal is very special case. Believe me it have a soul inside. I do 30x port royal every day to tweak further and scores vary between everything
 
Win 10 open task
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Ring offset
CPU OC 
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Also proper voltages in case for KPE.
Version of Win 10 etc. 

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 09:36:12 (permalink)
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while listening to Dave Matthews Band.



lol.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 11:44:38 (permalink)
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They MEAN something.
 
Port Royal is very special case. Believe me it have a soul inside. I do 30x port royal every day to tweak further and scores vary between everything
 
Win 10 open task
Ram OC
Ring offset
CPU OC 
Antivirus
Also proper voltages in case for KPE.
Version of Win 10 etc. 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55171405

Done on default voltages with just tweaking the voltage/frequency curve. Adding voltage such as 1.2 nvvdd & 1.2 msvdd just make the card crash with the same curve that runs fine at default voltages. Explain that.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 11:56:50 (permalink)
It could be a Ryzen tax. I can consistently bench 10,500 on my 2080ti KP and 15,000 on my 3090 KP in Port Royal back to back with default voltages and my clock speeds are nothing special. Both cards daily at +1250 mem and approximately 2145 core.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 11:58:30 (permalink)
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It could be a Ryzen tax. I can consistently bench 10,500 on my 2080ti KP and 15,000 on my 3090 KP in Port Royal back to back with default voltages and my clock speeds are nothing special. Both cards daily at +1250 mem and approximately 2145 core.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 12:58:48 (permalink)
so VF OC and classified exe doesnt work nice together. Thats why i asked. I am just proving you that your chip is not bad as you thought. Just spend more time with voltages. Knowing u can see 2200 plus and thats in pocket.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 13:08:45 (permalink)
They work fine together. I shouldn’t have to use more than 1.2v on nvvdd and msvdd to get 2220 to run. Vince did 2220 at 1.125v nvvdd and 1.2 msvdd on the stock aio. Probably a cherry picked sample as well.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 14:37:01 (permalink)

 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55279895
First run with the KP.
LN2 BIOS, fans 100%, +150 core (nothing added to MEM yet), max power and voltage slider.
 
Ambient temp 18c.
 
Saw blips of pwr max on GPUZ, but not often. was mostly the orange and blue colors. Only 460-470 watts pulled, 2168 mhz avg clock, 2190 set max.
 
How does this look? Going to keep adding core until it crashes then add mem. Then maybe classified tool. EDIT: My cpu/mem combo are in my sig. My windows is nothing near a clean install, tons of stuff installed but tried to close everything and this is on a fresh reboot.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 14:44:31 (permalink)
No Perfcap at all? I'd call it good.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 14:54:18 (permalink)
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No Perfcap at all? I'd call it good.




No PWR perfcap, no. Saw vrel and vop. Don't know what those mean. 
 
Just repeated without full cooldown, 14,706 with +175 core. Still +0 mem. Still only seeing 460s power draw.
 
Ran TSE, crash at +175, ran at +150. 11093 graphics score, 505 W power draw, on the power limiter 50% of the time. 65w PCI-E draw.

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2020/12/21 14:56:24 (permalink)
Where exactly did you see vrel and vop? Those relate to voltages and not being able to boost higher due to voltage limit. I don't see it hit in your screenshot. Looks idle all the way across.
 
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