Dabadger84
So, update from last night's testing before I gave up: Dipswitch reversion did not help.
 
I've now tried replicating the circumstances that led to the jump in performance, driver changes with DDU etc, did not work.
Tried different BIOS switch positions with shut downs in between, did not result in the performance increase.
Reverted dipswitches to stock, and much like when I changed them to begin with, zero effect noticeable.
 
The only GOOD thing so far is apparently +1000 vRAM is actually "stable" - it passed TimeSpy Extreme Stress Test with 98.9%, and Port Royal Stress Test with 99.4%, and it got hammered with 2 hours of Cyberpunk with no crashes & no visual issues as far as I noticed - this was with the visual settings all maxed, Ray-Tracing all on & the last setting on Psycho, with DLSS on Quality - so basically the game looking graphically as great as it can and hammering the GPU as much as possible, and it had no issues, despite running 2160MHz @ 1068mV (typically it was running at 2145-2160) & +1000 Memory, with no Classified Tool.  I'm quite happy with that, especially considering the temps are still totally fine, highest GPU temp was 52C, Mems were in the 50.9C on the lowest to 65C on the highest, with a Mem Junction Temp of 72C peak (it was typically in 66C-70C range when I was looking at it, I have it in the OSD for MSI Afterburner via HWInfo64 now) & the VRMs peaked at 38C on the lowest & 54.5C on the highest.  So considering it's running +120/+1000, the card is running pretty cool, hopefully those temps will go down even more once I get the next round of heatsinks on the back plate.
 
But, yeah, benchmarking performance is back to being stuck at around 14.9k max with +150/+1250 for no apparent reason.
 
If anyone has any suggestions for other things to try to see if I can get it back to where it should be, I'll give'em a try.

emmett

Dabadger84
So, update from last night's testing before I gave up: Dipswitch reversion did not help.
 
I've now tried replicating the circumstances that led to the jump in performance, driver changes with DDU etc, did not work.
Tried different BIOS switch positions with shut downs in between, did not result in the performance increase.
Reverted dipswitches to stock, and much like when I changed them to begin with, zero effect noticeable.
 
The only GOOD thing so far is apparently +1000 vRAM is actually "stable" - it passed TimeSpy Extreme Stress Test with 98.9%, and Port Royal Stress Test with 99.4%, and it got hammered with 2 hours of Cyberpunk with no crashes & no visual issues as far as I noticed - this was with the visual settings all maxed, Ray-Tracing all on & the last setting on Psycho, with DLSS on Quality - so basically the game looking graphically as great as it can and hammering the GPU as much as possible, and it had no issues, despite running 2160MHz @ 1068mV (typically it was running at 2145-2160) & +1000 Memory, with no Classified Tool.  I'm quite happy with that, especially considering the temps are still totally fine, highest GPU temp was 52C, Mems were in the 50.9C on the lowest to 65C on the highest, with a Mem Junction Temp of 72C peak (it was typically in 66C-70C range when I was looking at it, I have it in the OSD for MSI Afterburner via HWInfo64 now) & the VRMs peaked at 38C on the lowest & 54.5C on the highest.  So considering it's running +120/+1000, the card is running pretty cool, hopefully those temps will go down even more once I get the next round of heatsinks on the back plate.
 
But, yeah, benchmarking performance is back to being stuck at around 14.9k max with +150/+1250 for no apparent reason.
 
If anyone has any suggestions for other things to try to see if I can get it back to where it should be, I'll give'em a try.

that's a big drop.. Nvidia control panel tweaks/settings match your original?
were any changes made CPU side? everything good on that side of things?
Was your original score Before the riser cable? or after?

johnksss

degenerate
My card can't break past 2130mhz without crashing no matter what I do, even using classified tool. What a winner!
 
At least now I'll know better when the next Kingpin cards roll out...

What does your card do on memory overclock?

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate
My card can't break past 2130mhz without crashing no matter what I do, even using classified tool. What a winner!
 
At least now I'll know better when the next Kingpin cards roll out...

What does your card do on memory overclock?

+1325 is max, crashes beyond that. Memory is decent, my core seems very weak.

And that's the 520W bios as well?

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate
My card can't break past 2130mhz without crashing no matter what I do, even using classified tool. What a winner!
 
At least now I'll know better when the next Kingpin cards roll out...

What does your card do on memory overclock?

+1325 is max, crashes beyond that. Memory is decent, my core seems very weak.

And that's the 520W bios as well?

Yep LN2 520W. What Classified settings did you use for your 152xx/153xx 4930k scores?

1000W

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate
My card can't break past 2130mhz without crashing no matter what I do, even using classified tool. What a winner!
 
At least now I'll know better when the next Kingpin cards roll out...

What does your card do on memory overclock?

+1325 is max, crashes beyond that. Memory is decent, my core seems very weak.

And that's the 520W bios as well?

Yep LN2 520W. What Classified settings did you use for your 152xx/153xx 4930k scores?

1000W

And no increase in voltages what-so-ever? Just offsets + XOC bios?

I post just before you posted here.
It's pulling 600+ watts at something like 1.2/1.4/1.2
 

degenerate

johnksss
Try something like 1.500/1.375/1.100 
+1250 mem
+165 Core
max slider for voltage.
max fans
 

No chance my card won't crash at those settings, even if it wanted to run it would probably want to pull more than the 520W LN2 bios allows. I appreciate the help but at this point I've resigned to the fact my card just isn't good. Will just try to enjoy it for gaming and try not to think about it too much.

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss
Try something like 1.500/1.375/1.100 
+1250 mem
+165 Core
max slider for voltage.
max fans
 

No chance my card won't crash at those settings, even if it wanted to run it would probably want to pull more than the 520W LN2 bios allows. I appreciate the help but at this point I've resigned to the fact my card just isn't good. Will just try to enjoy it for gaming and try not to think about it too much.

So you tried those exact settings and your card crashed? I redid the screen shot as i forgot to put the classified tool in.

I've tried similar enough settings and done enough testing w/ my card to know it will crash. 1.2/1.36875/1.05 on LN2 with max sliders/fans should be more than enough to complete a run at 2145/2160 but nope, it crashes any time it boosts past 2130. I've tried lowering mem offset with no success. It's the core.


I am running push/pull NF-A12x25's on the radiator and this is with the window open with frigid winter air intake. The card just isn't good.

johnksss
Try something like 1.1500/1.375/1.100 
+1250 mem
+165 Core
max slider for voltage.
max fans
520W vbios

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss

degenerate

johnksss
Try something like 1.150/1.375/1.100 
+1250 mem
+165 Core
max slider for voltage.
max fans
 

No chance my card won't crash at those settings, even if it wanted to run it would probably want to pull more than the 520W LN2 bios allows. I appreciate the help but at this point I've resigned to the fact my card just isn't good. Will just try to enjoy it for gaming and try not to think about it too much.

So you tried those exact settings and your card crashed? I redid the screen shot as i forgot to put the classified tool in.

I've tried similar enough settings and done enough testing w/ my card to know it will crash. 1.2/1.36875/1.05 on LN2 with max sliders/fans should be more than enough to complete a run at 2145/2160 but nope, it crashes any time it boosts past 2130. I've tried lowering mem offset with no success. It's the core.


I am running push/pull NF-A12x25's on the radiator and this is with the window open with frigid winter air intake. The card just isn't good.

1.2 would have been to much as you would power throttle hard.
 
Okay, no problem. Was debating on buying your card, but you say it's a dud then i'm going to pass on it.

1.1 was a no-go as well.


You are making the right call, you don't want to buy my card trust me

Dabadger84

johnksss
Try something like 1.1500/1.375/1.100 
+1250 mem
+165 Core
max slider for voltage.
max fans
520W vbios

Fixed da quote... and wait, shouldn't that be good for 15.4-15.5K?  What drivers is that with?
 
I'm still trying to think of other ways I could possible revive that 400-600pt deficit I'm seeing now.

Dabadger84
Meanwhile I'm over here getting 14.8k at settings that used to get 15k that are also settings that got 15.4k for one night going 
 

 
I guess a crazy, but logical step, would be to do a fresh install of Windows on another drive, and see how it performs on there with nothing but basic required drivers & 3DMark installed with Afterburner, Classified Tool & GPUz for monitoring/control eh?
 
I'm gonna snag the latest Windows 10 installer and get it started downloading since that'll take me about 2 hours to grab, plan on doin' that tomorrow maybe.
 

Dabadger84
Yeah, that's exactly why I'm just gonna do a standalone bare-bones separate Windows install, see if that makes any difference - if it does, at least then I know it's SOMETHING to do with this install, and I can go through and install stuff one at a time to see what the issue is.
The only leechy-type stuff I have installed are the Thermaltake (which is required to set fan speed, then it can be closed) & Gigabyte RGB softwares, and I close both of those out (and kill them in task manager if they don't close out completely) before benchmarking... neither of those have been updated since long before I even got the Kingpin card, so I doubt they're the problem.
 
I also don't run much in the way of bloatware... I'm getting rid of Logitech gear, again, slowly but surely, to rid my system of that stuff, even though I doubt it's much of an issue, I don't have any AV software because I don't visit sketchy websites, just use the standard Windows defense stuff - I do have Malwarebytes, but I only have that running when it's running a scan because it's the free version so it doesn't have realtime protection anyway.  
I don't use the Steam version of 3DMark, I use the standalone, so Steam isn't causing the issue either.  I just don't get it.
 
The only thing I can think of is like you said, some dodgy Windows update or something FUBARed stuff, and the only way to (hopefully) fix that is a new install.