UndesiredSanity

Sajin
Surprised some of you haven't tried the strix 890w vbios.

Haha I'm too scared to brick the card. It's only been a few days of ownership. I'll wait to others do it first. :-)
 

zippytek
i don't see a benefit to flashing the strix bios when i'm still limited by stock cooler, even before you have evga's oc team explicitly saying DO NOT flash the strix bios to the kingpin. not worried about bricking anything, but i'll take the word of a top overclocker with direct access to the design and bios teams over a small chance i can hit over 600w. especially seeing temps hitting 60C 
 
i'm sure the xoc bios will arrive soon, and based on what i'm seeing just with classified tool, it makes more sense why cens said the xoc bios isn't really needed. LN2 bios with voltage control seems to do just fine. i wonder what the actual limit is? it's definitely not 520w

zippytek

tresnugget

zippytek
i don't see a benefit to flashing the strix bios when i'm still limited by stock cooler, even before you have evga's oc team explicitly saying DO NOT flash the strix bios to the kingpin. not worried about bricking anything, but i'll take the word of a top overclocker with direct access to the design and bios teams over a small chance i can hit over 600w. especially seeing temps hitting 60C 

i'm sure the xoc bios will arrive soon, and based on what i'm seeing just with classified tool, it makes more sense why cens said the xoc bios isn't really needed. LN2 bios with voltage control seems to do just fine. i wonder what the actual limit is? it's definitely not 520w

Are you seeing power limit under perfcap when using the classified tool?

i've never seen perfcap as anything but vrel

mylittlepwny2
Made a few more passes this AM before work after flashing ASUS Xoc bios. My card needs more power. Unfortunately using asus xoc bios means the classified tool won't work. But I still gained a bit of performance thanks to the higher power limit. Card hit peaks of 540w in port royal and sustained runs of 625w+ on timespy extreme. All while still at stock voltage.

16188 on Port Royal
+120/+1425 offsets for core and mem respectively.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1657061

Timespy 24019. I need to switch back to my KS and really push the CPU score higher. But over 24000 on GPU score is strong!
+105/+1300 offsets (didn't try going higher with memory yet as had to leave for work) https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29430358.

Definitely try flashing xoc bios while we wait for the evga one with voltage control. If your card is like mine it's absolutely choking on the 516w power limit.

zippytek

mylittlepwny2

zippytek
dailying the hybrid? that's a lot of work to put the stock cooler back on

when i take the cooler off, it's going cold. i wonder if adding 3 fans on the rad will really matter? i bet you gained more from the kpx than the fans tbh

No not dailying hybrid yet. Just don't have time to go get any LN2 and I like to push things as far with stock cooling as possible first. Was really easy tbh. Took me maybe 30 minutes to swap it all out. And 27 of that was disassembling and reassembling the aio.

I did flash the asus xoc bios. However the classified tool won't function when using it.

you're much faster than me. takes me an hour to tear down and reassemble the stock cooler. i want to run the stock cards in SLI before i tear anything down too.
 
did you try to push voltage before you flashed the strix bios? curious how some folks seem to be hitting PL and wanted to know if classified would "unlock" a higher limit, or if the limit isn't actually 520w or whatever and the card just won't do more than that with under 1000mV at stock nvvdd

mylittlepwny2
Made a few more passes this AM before work after flashing ASUS Xoc bios. My card needs more power. Unfortunately using asus xoc bios means the classified tool won't work. But I still gained a bit of performance thanks to the higher power limit. Card hit peaks of 540w in port royal and sustained runs of 625w+ on timespy extreme. All while still at stock voltage.

16188 on Port Royal
+120/+1425 offsets for core and mem respectively.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1657061

Timespy 24019. I need to switch back to my KS and really push the CPU score higher. But over 24000 on GPU score is strong!
+105/+1300 offsets (didn't try going higher with memory yet as had to leave for work) https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29430358.

Definitely try flashing xoc bios while we wait for the evga one with voltage control. If your card is like mine it's absolutely choking on the 516w power limit.

mylittlepwny2
I didn't try pushing voltage with any of the 3 stock bios. They all are the same as far as I can tell. 516w limits. If you hook up the voltage read point and do the math off of it up youll be able to calculate actual power draw. The oled isn't very accurate. My oled constantly says my card is pulling 510-530w in port royal. But I can see that my clocks are dropping (and not due to gpu boost) when running stock bios.

Not all cards pull equal power. Take both my 3090s for instance. My original launch day 3090 KP pulls well in excess of 500w and even when gaming is always hitting off the 520w power limit. Itll pull around 550w in timespy. My 2nd card (Jan 2021) barely pulls 440w at the same clocks. My launch card scales better with voltage and cold but is a "worse" card to daily drive as it runs 1-2C hotter and always drops clocks unless I'm using the xoc bios. It has everything to do with leakage and asic quality.
 

Bambe101
Are the fans on the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING, set up to be push or pull?

I am currently installing this on the front of the 5000D since my 360 AIO rad is my exhaust. (also can I leave the ARGB adapter unplugged without making any of the fans not work proper?)

UndesiredSanity

tresnugget
Are you running precision while benching? Some things on the oled only work while precision is running.

That's the 890w Asus XOC bios
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/245448/245448

No, I don't I close PX1 because it robs resources, FPS and hurts the score a bit. I always close PX1 or MSI afterburning when benching. So, you're telling me there is no real standalone controller driving this OLED when it comes to updating the clock? PWR, temp, fan speed and other parameters seems to change (not really accurate as mylittlepwny2 has pointed out). Something must be driving these parameters. That's why I think it's the firmware of whatever is driving this OLED (has to be some micro controller like a M0+ or M4/M33 driving it. 
 

mylittlepwny2
I didn't try pushing voltage with any of the 3 stock bios. They all are the same as far as I can tell. 516w limits. If you hook up the voltage read point and do the math off of it up youll be able to calculate actual power draw. The oled isn't very accurate. My oled constantly says my card is pulling 510-530w in port royal. But I can see that my clocks are dropping (and not due to gpu boost) when running stock bios.

Not all cards pull equal power. Take both my 3090s for instance. My original launch day 3090 KP pulls well in excess of 500w and even when gaming is always hitting off the 520w power limit. Itll pull around 550w in timespy. My 2nd card (Jan 2021) barely pulls 440w at the same clocks. My launch card scales better with voltage and cold but is a "worse" card to daily drive as it runs 1-2C hotter and always drops clocks unless I'm using the xoc bios. It has everything to do with leakage and asic quality.