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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 02:11:33
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Definitely need a high power limit. My ftw3 ultra barely clocks 2115 and does 15,700 in port royal. 2200+ should be 16k+ You’ll bounce off the power limit on any of the bios’s on the card. I pull 600 watts on the ftw3. If you use a classy tool you’ll bounce off the limit harder without a 1000w bios.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 03:45:58
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even with the strix bios? yeah i assume the 1000w is out there just need to track it down. soon
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 04:47:21
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My card hasn't hit power limit yet. I'm hitting vrel every time. I think my scores are bad due to pcie whea errors
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 04:49:23
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Yea I'm interested to see how the card behaves with a bios from a single 16 pin connector. If it ignores the 2nd connector, then possibly true power draw could be around double the set power limit of the bios. That's assuming some other limit is not hit first which happens most of the time with the rest of 30 series with 8pin connectors.
But if it does happen to work, then even running the FTW3 bios would give a higher PL and retain the thermal safeties. May not work but might be worth trying.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 08:22:17
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Yeah def the riser. Not sure how that behaves or if it gets anything from the 6pin slot power assuming you have it connected
Make sure you connect that extra 6 pin if you’re benching (or in a daily where you’ll game or possibly draw a lot)
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 08:28:23
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zippytek Yeah def the riser. Not sure how that behaves or if it gets anything from the 6pin slot power assuming you have it connected
Make sure you connect that extra 6 pin if you’re benching (or in a daily where you’ll game or possibly draw a lot)
I'm fairly sure I connected the 6 pin but I'll double check.
post edited by tresnugget - 2022/07/09 08:43:00
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 08:41:56
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Right on, I haven’t personally ever benched cards with riser but I know people do it. Can’t speak to 30 series and def not 3090 Ti with its massive vrm
Already regretting delaying my delivery but oh well lol
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 08:44:57
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zippytek Right on, I haven’t personally ever benched cards with riser but I know people do it. Can’t speak to 30 series and def not 3090 Ti with its massive vrm
Already regretting delaying my delivery but oh well lol
After I mounted it I tested with the 3090 KPE and there wasn't any difference in my max score in PR. The weird thing was that I tested with the 3dmark pcie bandwidth test and somehow it was slightly higher with the riser. Before when I had issues with the riser it just wouldn't display a picture. After reseating a couple times it would work and I never had any pcie whea errors. That said, it has a visible warp in it so I've got one ordered. I don't think where I have the radiator mounted it'll reach the pcie slot so this is going to be a pain.
post edited by tresnugget - 2022/07/09 08:49:49
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 08:54:02
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Benching my KPE on a 3.0 and 4.0 cables never changed my PR score
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 09:22:47
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zippytek Right on, I haven’t personally ever benched cards with riser but I know people do it. Can’t speak to 30 series and def not 3090 Ti with its massive vrm
Already regretting delaying my delivery but oh well lol
After I mounted it I tested with the 3090 KPE and there wasn't any difference in my max score in PR.
The weird thing was that I tested with the 3dmark pcie bandwidth test and somehow it was slightly higher with the riser.
Before when I had issues with the riser it just wouldn't display a picture. After reseating a couple times it would work and I never had any pcie whea errors. That said, it has a visible warp in it so I've got one ordered. I don't think where I have the radiator mounted it'll reach the pcie slot so this is going to be a pain.
The joys of early adoption. Def interested to get my hands on the Ti and push it. Theoretically this card has the maximum number of cores possible for this series, so combined with the 2GB memory chips we are in uncharted waters both from a power delivery and cooling perspective. Anyone know of other cards with 12+ 2GB gddr6x chips? Power stages delivered by 12VHPWR. Lots to learn
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 11:04:55
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Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/09 11:34:14
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So looks like it was definitely the riser cable. I came home on lunch because it was bugging me and popped it directly into the slot and voila no more whea errors when opening precision or running 3dmark. It's a lot warmer in here so it crashed before it could finish but I'm pretty confident that's what it was as by now I probably would have had 20 errors or so.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/10 08:31:59
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redteamgo its possible they want to bundle the PSU with the kingpin because of all of the 3090 KPE failures and this one has been specifically tested
What 3090 KPE failures? I thought all the EVGA 3090 failures were with the FTW3-based cards?
exactly . I bet 99% of RMA KPE was poor overclocking , lol
Nope. I had multiple 3090 KP RMAs and almost all of them were for hardware failures. One was PX1 for bricking the card with a firmware update. One of the cards was basically DOA with a dead cooling fan and a water pump that died within a couple hours of use. One was for a leaking waterblocks that wasn't assembled correctly at the factory and couldn't be fixed because the screws were over torqued at the factory and the threads were damaged. I think I also had another RMA for another hardware failure. None of the failures were related to overclocking. I actually know quite a few KP 3090 owners and have found only one who damaged the card due to overclocking and that one person going for a world record. I'm sure Vince damaged a few, but his aren't normal RMAs I assume.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/10 08:36:15
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redteamgo its possible they want to bundle the PSU with the kingpin because of all of the 3090 KPE failures and this one has been specifically tested
I'm sure its just EVGA unloading old PSUs. The current 1600 watt design is rather old and EVGA has been releasing newer versions of their lower wattage PSUs. The new 1300 watt and 1600 watt models have to be in queue for an upcoming release soon.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/10 13:07:55
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The P+ models were just launched middle of last year tho so i doubt it’s anything more than trying to sell extra units they made when demand was high.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/10 14:08:20
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redteamgo its possible they want to bundle the PSU with the kingpin because of all of the 3090 KPE failures and this one has been specifically tested
I'm sure its just EVGA unloading old PSUs. The current 1600 watt design is rather old and EVGA has been releasing newer versions of their lower wattage PSUs. The new 1300 watt and 1600 watt models have to be in queue for an upcoming release soon.
The P+ models were just launched middle of last year tho so i doubt it’s anything more than trying to sell extra units they made when demand was high.
Perhaps a bit of all of the above - killing several birds with one stone in the process? - - most likely (imo) bundled the 1600P2 with the 3090TiKP to make sure people use an adequate power supply for that GPU.
- - pure speculation: possibly the 3090TiKP has voltage spikes that a lesser PSU cannot handle? - again, pure speculation, but it would save a lot of RMAs.
- - perhaps all 4000 series cards will have 12-pin plugs, so EVGA are offloading as much existing stock as they can to make way for a new line of PSUs with 12-pin PCIe plugs.
- - EVGA are just being generous after the last couple of years we've all gone through (I would not expect this from any other company but EVGA).
- - liquidating stock, which could mean anything...
Again, this is all speculation based on absolutely nothing at all.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/10 22:29:15
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arthurz21 Damnn, 3090 ti KPE can be bought from the webstore directly now.
Ahhh, no wonder you don't see any on ebay. LOL. that and no miners to hog them up and it's not that in demand as the other KPE's in the past. yet, I still bought one. Doh!
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 00:46:32
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arthurz21 Damnn, 3090 ti KPE can be bought from the webstore directly now.
Ahhh, no wonder you don't see any on ebay. LOL. that and no miners to hog them up and it's not that in demand as the other KPE's in the past. yet, I still bought one. Doh!
Still can't buy them in Germany but with the 4090 arround the corner wouldn't make much sense to me either^^ My 3090kpe is still in the top50 of PR, thought I would get slamed by the 3090ti ;-)
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 05:00:08
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 05:23:21
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 05:28:57
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
I reached out to Vince via his webpage, he said they were looking to release the XOC stuff this week.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 07:54:08
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday
won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
I reached out to Vince via his webpage, he said they were looking to release the XOC stuff this week.
good to hear, cens says it isn't even needed this gen, but more interesting to me is the comment about the strix vbios, which some folks have def flashed to their 3090 ti ftw3:
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 08:06:31
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday
won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
I reached out to Vince via his webpage, he said they were looking to release the XOC stuff this week.
good to hear, cens says it isn't even needed this gen, but more interesting to me is the comment about the strix vbios, which some folks have def flashed to their 3090 ti ftw3:
There's a pretty good chance that since he got his early, and I think disassembled ready for ln2, his came with an XOC bios
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 08:12:36
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Wonder why he said it's not needed? ..other than maybe it already came pre-flashed for him, as Tresnugget suggested.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 08:15:10
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday
won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
I reached out to Vince via his webpage, he said they were looking to release the XOC stuff this week.
good to hear, cens says it isn't even needed this gen, but more interesting to me is the comment about the strix vbios, which some folks have def flashed to their 3090 ti ftw3:
There's a pretty good chance that since he got his early, and I think disassembled ready for ln2, his came with an XOC bios
not likely it arrived with the 1000w flashed, and i'd expect the oc team works to help test the xoc bios...but his comment that it isn't needed just tells me even on LN2 he wasn't hitting the power limit of the stock vbios
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 09:26:26
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quick4dr Strix bios is fine im talking stock bios’s they arnt very high power limit
fwiw, i asked the evga oc team guys about the 1000w vbios and it seems it is not available for public consumption (yet?) - waiting on a more official channel response and hoping something materializes soon as my cards wil be here tomorrow and wednesday
won't be able to refill until this weekend earliest so not too bothered by it
They may not like it that both the original and reBar 3090 KP 1kw bios leaked.
I reached out to Vince via his webpage, he said they were looking to release the XOC stuff this week.
good to hear, cens says it isn't even needed this gen, but more interesting to me is the comment about the strix vbios, which some folks have def flashed to their 3090 ti ftw3:
There's a pretty good chance that since he got his early, and I think disassembled ready for ln2, his came with an XOC bios
not likely it arrived with the 1000w flashed, and i'd expect the oc team works to help test the xoc bios...but his comment that it isn't needed just tells me even on LN2 he wasn't hitting the power limit of the stock vbios
Yah, I'm not sure about his statement either. LN2 bios is only like 520W and can easily be hit.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 09:54:42
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Ya but you can fly right past that with the classified tool
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 09:55:41
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Yah, I'm not sure about his statement either. LN2 bios is only like 520W and can easily be hit.
You’re hitting PL with the stock cooler? Assume you’re pushing voltage via classified, if yes what nvvdd
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 10:15:52
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Yah, I'm not sure about his statement either. LN2 bios is only like 520W and can easily be hit.
You’re hitting PL with the stock cooler? Assume you’re pushing voltage via classified, if yes what nvvdd
I'm hitting 485 with stock cooler. The stock pl is 516 so I imagine if I do anything with the classified tool its going to hit pl
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin
2022/07/11 10:20:04
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That’s which bios position? Normal, OC, LN2? Assume it has 3 like the 3090
Anyone care to push it to LN2 bios and send like 1.3 nvvdd on stock cooler? Should be perfectly safe
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