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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 17:27:35 (permalink)
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Idk if they actually produced the full 500 units. But they likely did. All I know was that months ago, I was told by someone in the know it was to be a 500 unit run. With the way the 3090 Ti launch has gone, and the market has cratered I think that was a good decision by EVGA. Too many more and I'm not sure they would have sold out. Took a few days as is.

Also the bins on all these cards seem pretty good. I haven't seen a single person not be able to maintain about 2160 MHz or more on Port Royal. Outside of the cherry picked launch chips for AIBs by Nvidia the rest of the 3090 Ti silicon (like the other GA102 cards) is really really weak. Seen cards that won't even sustain 2130 MHz. So anyone who got a 3090 Ti KP has a comparatively strong piece of silicon.



That was very evident in Jaystwocents and Gamers Nexus 3090Ti review, those cards were Fire , Not for nothing.. the KPE self reported Enewt Q watch was actually pretty accurate for following and predicting the notifies , I can see more people not on the Forums getting in, but not a huge of a number ,
Be proud you have a super RARE card that performs well, It looks evident the this should be the end of the line for the hybrid because its pushing the limit of a 360 . I hope EVGA feels the same so the future cards come with a Block option at least . greater than 4 slot coolers can not be a solution
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 19:37:58 (permalink)
if there won't be another for sale why the card is still on the evga site?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 19:38:32 (permalink)
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500 I think is s stretch, I would be surprised if it was over 50, and on EBAY?!, that would be nuts, you can't give away a Kingpin right now, 1275 for the hybrid and 1450 for the HC is all they are fetching



 500 is the right number is about the MOQ for an EMS/CM to dedicate a full assembly line with full production test. They probably manufactured 1000 enough to cover warranty and maybe that EV1 build. I work with a lot of EMS in Asia like Jabil, Foxconn, Flextronics, etc. It's not cheap to run a line and doesn't make any sense run one below MOQ or at least break even point. Hell, EVGA may have even lost money in the KPE. Aside from the AIO, housings, connectors, the PCBA design is unique and doesn't share any designs in the 30 series class. Compared to their other products that share PCB design and mechanical like the 70/80/80ti/90 FTW3 lines, these module are most likely in the 10ku monthly run rate.
 
I'm thinkin 1K-2k limited production run for warranty and then dedicated parts for rework/repair/ parts swap. 
 
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 19:44:31 (permalink)
I can’t say
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 19:46:44 (permalink)
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if there won't be another for sale why the card is still on the evga site?
i can’t say
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 19:47:26 (permalink)
For anyone interested on the 90ti KPE fans, I ran a TS stress test to get a baseline on the cooling capability with the stock EVGA fans. Avg temp was 52C. Removed the EVGA fans and installed Noctua NF-A12X25 PWM Chromax fans. These were connected to the mobo and ran at full speed 100% of the time. Ran TS Stress test and avg temp was 50C. Then, for the hell of it because I do like the new RGB look of the EVGA fans, I installed both in a push-pull configuration with EVGA pushing in front and not so flashy Notcua in the back. Testing for both was an avg of 49C. 
 
So, is it worth -3C for ~$100 of fans? Not really, but dropping $2600 on a 3090ti really doesn't make much sense either. :-)
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 20:06:35 (permalink)
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For anyone interested on the 90ti KPE fans, I ran a TS stress test to get a baseline on the cooling capability with the stock EVGA fans. Avg temp was 52C. Removed the EVGA fans and installed Noctua NF-A12X25 PWM Chromax fans. These were connected to the mobo and ran at full speed 100% of the time. Ran TS Stress test and avg temp was 50C. Then, for the hell of it because I do like the new RGB look of the EVGA fans, I installed both in a push-pull configuration with EVGA pushing in front and not so flashy Notcua in the back. Testing for both was an avg of 49C. 
 
So, is it worth -3C for ~$100 of fans? Not really, but dropping $2600 on a 3090ti really doesn't make much sense either. :-)
 


Nice! I have 3 NF-F12s lying around that I was considering mounting on the back so now I’ll definitely give that a shot.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 20:14:14 (permalink)
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For anyone interested on the 90ti KPE fans, I ran a TS stress test to get a baseline on the cooling capability with the stock EVGA fans. Avg temp was 52C. Removed the EVGA fans and installed Noctua NF-A12X25 PWM Chromax fans. These were connected to the mobo and ran at full speed 100% of the time. Ran TS Stress test and avg temp was 50C. Then, for the hell of it because I do like the new RGB look of the EVGA fans, I installed both in a push-pull configuration with EVGA pushing in front and not so flashy Notcua in the back. Testing for both was an avg of 49C. 
 
So, is it worth -3C for ~$100 of fans? Not really, but dropping $2600 on a 3090ti really doesn't make much sense either. :-)
 




Sounds about right. TS Stress = ~51.5. I have buckets of AC P12 PWM fans sitting around (Older models) so slapped on 6 of them and it dropped to ~47.5 and they're quieter to boot.
 
That's a good idea to get the bling and benefits from 6 fans with 3x EVGA down, 3x fans du jour up top.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 23:15:59 (permalink)
Did some more benching: 15,778 in PR https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1661002

Given my GPU clock is so great I'm either being held back by OS issues, CPU config, or maybe my VRAM.

My core is solid but my VRAM can only do about 1400 mhz (+700). This run was actually +650 which obviously isn't great. With classified tool I can get up to +800-850 with 1.4v.

Also getting a weird bug where I get a hard shut down when sometimes pulling up 3dmark and it's analyzing the system config. Once it's running I can bench for hours.

Once my new nvme drive gets here in a few days I'm going to dual boot Windows 10 for benching (I need 11 for HDR gaming) and see how a fresh install goes. Hopefully I'll see a huge improvement like our boy Zippy, did.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/18 23:48:53 (permalink)
Finally got XOC bios and classified tool. Still getting her dialed in but my clocks are there. Efficiency seems low so thats what I need to investigate at this point! But pretty soon its gonna be time to go Sub Zero.
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 00:31:57 (permalink)
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Finally got XOC bios and classified tool. Still getting her dialed in but my clocks are there. Efficiency seems low so thats what I need to investigate at this point! But pretty soon its gonna be time to go Sub Zero.
 
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Man, I'm jealous. My core clock is almost dead on yours and yet I'm 600 points less. I really need to figure this out.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 00:56:12 (permalink)
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Finally got XOC bios and classified tool. Still getting her dialed in but my clocks are there. Efficiency seems low so thats what I need to investigate at this point! But pretty soon its gonna be time to go Sub Zero.
 
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Wow Amazing sample and score. Which classified tool version is working with this card?

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 06:39:03 (permalink)
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Finally got XOC bios and classified tool. Still getting her dialed in but my clocks are there. Efficiency seems low so thats what I need to investigate at this point! But pretty soon its gonna be time to go Sub Zero.
 
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Yeah it’s wild that you’re getting another 500 pts from the kpx and fan swap. Managed to push to 15816 last night w the xoc bios and same voltages as on LN2 bios.

Note that y’all should not be flashing the xoc bios to the LN2 position unless you’re very confident in your ability to read voltages from a multimeter. That switch position historically does not offer the ocp protection from transient spikes and is more or less “at your own risk”

Unless you’re actually running subzero you should never disable the ocp unless you’re prepared to lose the card. Expensive mistakes are expensive

Fans can be expensive too, but yeah I have a stack here as well. Tempted to buy those 6000rpm fans just for this experiment tho lol
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 07:02:08 (permalink)
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Finally got XOC bios and classified tool. Still getting her dialed in but my clocks are there. Efficiency seems low so thats what I need to investigate at this point! But pretty soon its gonna be time to go Sub Zero.
 
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Yeah it’s wild that you’re getting another 500 pts from the kpx and fan swap. Managed to push to 15816 last night w the xoc bios and same voltages as on LN2 bios.

Note that y’all should not be flashing the xoc bios to the LN2 position unless you’re very confident in your ability to read voltages from a multimeter. That switch position historically does not offer the ocp protection from transient spikes and is more or less “at your own risk”

Unless you’re actually running subzero you should never disable the ocp unless you’re prepared to lose the card. Expensive mistakes are expensive

Fans can be expensive too, but yeah I have a stack here as well. Tempted to buy those 6000rpm fans just for this experiment tho lol

Yeah, I always put it on the normal position. I think OCP might still enabled but there usually isn't temperature protection on the ln2 switch. The xdevs guides for the 2080 Ti and 3090 Kingpins don't mention OCP, anyways, although I remember it as no OCP as well, so I'm not sure.

Question, do you think it's safe to tune the VRM settings? Like bumping it up to 800 khz?

And which LLC settings are best? Historically I've always ran it at level 1. I don't remember there being a level 0 but memory is pretty bad.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 13:01:07 (permalink)
So everyone who bought one got a good chip? Nobody got one that doesn’t oc well?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 14:39:13 (permalink)
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-12900KS Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX (3dmark.com)
 
 I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 14:48:31 (permalink)
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 I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Sorry to hear that emmett. Stock vbios?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 14:51:12 (permalink)
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 I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Sorry to hear that emmett. Stock vbios?



Yes Stock bios. 
 
It's fine, just part of the gamble 

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 14:53:37 (permalink)
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-12900KS Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX (3dmark.com)

I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Sorry to hear that emmett. Stock vbios?



Yes Stock bios. 
 
It's fine, just part of the gamble 

Plan to see if you can get better numbers using the strix 890w vbios or xoc vbios from Vince?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 14:58:54 (permalink)
I got a good chip just my VRAM is meh. Not the worst I've seen but not great, either. +700 about as far as it'll go

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 15:00:35 (permalink)
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 I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Also, go into 3dmark and press load, find the file name with that score in it, then press compare online and it'll upload to your account online.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 15:01:05 (permalink)
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-12900KS Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX (3dmark.com)

I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Sorry to hear that emmett. Stock vbios?



Yes Stock bios. 
 
It's fine, just part of the gamble 

Plan to see if you can get better numbers using the strix 890w vbios or xoc vbios from Vince?



I may as well. I would rather try the XOC from Vince,  waiting for reply on classified tool location.
the PERFCAPS this card show is either IDLE or VREL, never power limit. Highest I saw on KP display was 480-490 W

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 15:35:34 (permalink)
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-12900KS Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX (3dmark.com)

I had one run at 2190 and just broke 16k. like 16020 but it did not get recorded for some reason.
could never pass 2190 again

Sorry to hear that emmett. Stock vbios?



Yes Stock bios. 

It's fine, just part of the gamble 

Plan to see if you can get better numbers using the strix 890w vbios or xoc vbios from Vince?



I may as well. I would rather try the XOC from Vince,  waiting for reply on classified tool location.
the PERFCAPS this card show is either IDLE or VREL, never power limit. Highest I saw on KP display was 480-490 W

Cool. Let us know how it goes. 👍
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 15:39:02 (permalink)
I will..
 
I looked through my 3dmark results list and I do not see the 16k run, I think the system was acting up when I did it, maybe it did not save, found this one, highest that was saved, I think I bumped to 2190 and that got me just over 16k
Or maybe i dreamt it? LOL
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 16:47:47 (permalink)
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I will..
 
I looked through my 3dmark results list and I do not see the 16k run, I think the system was acting up when I did it, maybe it did not save, found this one, highest that was saved, I think I bumped to 2190 and that got me just over 16k
Or maybe i dreamt it? LOL
 
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It does that to me occasionally.  If you check the local results folder you'll probably find your run there.  Unfortunately 3DMark will usually give me an error if I try uploading it manually saying that it is already in the database.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 18:04:13 (permalink)
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I will..
 
I looked through my 3dmark results list and I do not see the 16k run, I think the system was acting up when I did it, maybe it did not save, found this one, highest that was saved, I think I bumped to 2190 and that got me just over 16k
Or maybe i dreamt it? LOL
 
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It does that to me occasionally.  If you check the local results folder you'll probably find your run there.  Unfortunately 3DMark will usually give me an error if I try uploading it manually saying that it is already in the database.




I scoured it, it's not there, LOL.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 18:27:09 (permalink)
Had some downtime and ran some superposition.

1080p Extreme Took 13th Score: 16169
https://benchmark.unigine...3541b7b23e00551c77720b

4k Optimized Took 4th Score: 21759
https://benchmark.unigine...734700a2313f95997bb354

8k Optimized took 12th place score: 9455
https://benchmark.unigine...6246af9e3ab581e9fdfc3b

So far managing to get between 2235 and 2250 MHz sustained in most benches. It tends to go back and forth randomly throughout the run. Manually adjusting the voltage seems to mess with the boost table and make its behavior unpredictable. Power draw is insane. Generally runs between 700 - 840w depending on the bench (according to the Oled). Temps mid 50s to low 60s again depending on bench.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 19:01:58 (permalink)
is this some kind of joke? On XOC bios with a little voltage bump with classified tool.
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 19:12:28 (permalink)
👍😎

Keep pushing if you can.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/19 19:38:12 (permalink)
mylittlepwny2
Had some downtime and ran some superposition.

Generally runs between 700 - 840w depending on the bench (according to the Oled).

700 to 840 watts. 👀
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