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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/03 20:45:19 (permalink)
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Get Gentle Typhoons.   Reviewed here.

 
Allow me to make a different suggestion, the high speed version.
 
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12365/fan-811/Scythe_Gentle_Typhoon_120mm_x_25mm_Fan_-_5400_RPM_D1225C12BBAP-31.html
 
Put them on a good fan controller to keep the noise down, and then you have the ability to go higher for benching.

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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/03 22:05:56 (permalink)


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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 05:21:55 (permalink)
Noise is an issue. The "gentle" typhoons are not really that at 50 decibels, especially considering I would have 24 of them. I am looking for low noise, high rpm, 100+ cfm, possibly a led.

A gtx 480 would not work, as my front panel is

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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 05:46:11 (permalink)
Case or rad fans? There are practical limits to just how much air you can move without making a lot of noise, so the only way to really get quiet is to increase the size of the fan and spin it at a lower speed. Depending on your case...you could use a 200 x 200 x 30 mm Cooler Master that spins at 700 rpm and moves 110 CFM but at 19 dBA.  Another way to eliminate the fan noise issue would be to duct your case air flow and mount the fan remotely in or attached to the ducting. A bit extreme but it would allow for quieter operation and the potential to run a wide variety of fans. Think of how a forced air HVAC system in a home works. On a more outlaw note, take a look at the remote cooling systems that are sold for indoor weed growers. They extract thousands of watts of heat energy from their grow lights that way. Who knows...if your case is big enough...with the right kind of lighting..., you're gonna be pumping water through there anyway...  ;) 
(Do I need to say 'Just Kidding'?, the ducting would work though).
That table that Spotswood posted is really helpful. I'd take a good look at that while you're trying to decide.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 05:57:31 (permalink)
Sorry I was typing as you were posting so I missed your explanation. To be honest I'm so dedicated to getting rid of the heat quietly I can't really get my head around the idea of spending a bunch of money to move air and water and just end up moving the heat to the other side of the computer case wall. If you are anticipating running this beast on an O.C. for extended periods the room that you dump the heat into is going to continually warm up and degrade your cooling performance  unless you've got a really huge space or don't mind running your A/C just to cool that room. Dozens of high speed fans moving a couple of thousand cubic feet of air per minute is not going to be quiet as long as the fans are anywhere in the room.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 05:57:37 (permalink)
Especially since I have 25 fans, what is an adequate cfm? Perhaps I could use the thphoons or deltas for the rad and a silentx or kaze for case?
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 05:59:12 (permalink)
I can only use a 120 mm btw.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 06:13:32 (permalink)
Another thing to consider is the fact that the computing power of these SR-2 builds is pretty amazing. Just running on air at reference settings this thing is a rock. A surprisingly cool running rock. A single GeForce card creates more heat than everything else combined when rendering or gaming, and that's still not that much. Bench marking and folding is a different story, so it depends on how you'll end up using this day to day. If you're gonna be editing the sequel to Avatar, re-compiling Windows and decoding the human genome simultaneously you might make it work hard enough to sweat, but otherwise the heat generated may prove to be negligible.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 06:31:12 (permalink)
Deltas that I've used are solid, but quite loud. The issue of adequate again depends on where. Your rad selection is a good place to start. Some are made for high air flow (read that noisy) and some are for lower less turbulent flow (quiet). Start by looking at the heat load that you have to deal with and the type of usage that this rig will see. Over clocking can double the heat beyond the component's original design temp so deciding ahead of time just how hard you're going to work or push this thing is where it all starts. Then decide where your rads will mount and whether you're going to try and contain everything inside the case or not. Koolance and some others have stand alone units as well as externally mounted gear that can help save case space. If water is carrying the heat away from the M.B., CPU's, video cards and memory than your case cooling needs diminish greatly. What are the ambient temp conditions where this thing will be used. Are you sitting in a south facing (assuming northern latitudes) solarium without A/C or in a subterranean man cave that doubles as a lagering room?  Gather your design heat load data and evaluate your setting first. Then you can see just how many watts/Btu's you have to move and where it's going to have to go. There is no real pat answer for every build when you're playing at this level. A pair of these O.C.'ed could heat a small house if ya wanted, but it doesn't have to to be able to give you an awesome amount of computing power.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 09:59:05 (permalink)
I'd replace the swiss cheese top panel with one with less holes, and then mount 1850 RPM GTs on the radiator(s) and 1150 RPM GTs (or even yate loons) everywhere else.
 
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 13:59:11 (permalink)
Those gentle typhoons only are about 60 cubic meters per hour, about 30 cfm. That is not a lot. I Am in a home office with central a c and heat. What do you think about kaze 3000rpm for the 3 fan front panel rad and silenex 72 cfms everywhere else with the swiss cheese panel? How would that fair for benches and moderate ocing?
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 14:14:19 (permalink)
The swiss cheese panel is completely unnecessary IMO.  I used an extended ascension w/ the large window panel for my sr-2 build w/o any problems.  If everything is going to be water cooled, then there is no use for an extra 12 fans at the top of the case.  Plus w/ the window panel you can look at your creation from the top.
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/04 16:18:01 (permalink)
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Those gentle typhoons only are about 60 cubic meters per hour, about 30 cfm. That is not a lot. I Am in a home office with central a c and heat. What do you think about kaze 3000rpm for the 3 fan front panel rad and silenex 72 cfms everywhere else with the swiss cheese panel? How would that fair for benches and moderate ocing?

You don't need to move that much air through the radiator to achieve decent temps.   If its assumed that 2 overclocked CPUs will generate ~800 watts, then ~1800 RPM fans mounted on just one triple radiator, you'll get a descent delta of 10-15-degrees:

 
If you use two radiators (400 watts per radiator) you'll get much lower deltas.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 05:26:00 (permalink)
Is there any disadvantage to more fans and higher cfm? The way I see it, I could put a 70 cfm fan in and in times of high usage I could use a fan controller to speed it up.

And a watercooling question:

If I were to mount my rad on the swiss cheese panel, could I have the fan on the bottom of the rad and have the fan blow up through the rad and out the top? How much cooling would that provide compared to the regular config?

In that case, where would I mount my res and pumps?
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 06:25:13 (permalink)
P.s. I like the silentx because of its high airflow, but it seems they have a high failure rate. Are there any good quiet fans with a high cfm? What is a good cfm for the case?
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 07:07:43 (permalink)
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P.s. I like the silentx because of its high airflow, but it seems they have a high failure rate. Are there any good quiet fans with a high cfm? What is a good cfm for the case?

my silenx fans seem fine so far, but still to see. Those vids and reports of fails for them are alarming, but hard to measure as a rate. For 1 thing all the reports are old, and another thing is that those reports are only a few people who are strangers to me. The fail rate could be high or as low as 20 failed fans out of 500,000 made, I just don't know the truth. So I'm trying the silenx fans because I couldn't find any clear housing fans with red LEDs that had close to the same flow to noise ratio. I got 2 for $15 each from Directron. If they fail, then they fail. I'm not using them for anything but case cooling. I'd take less risk if I need heatsink or rad fans. 
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 15:15:16 (permalink)
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 18:08:43 (permalink)
Excellent fans, I have a bunch of them in my rig.

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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/05 20:29:03 (permalink)
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Excellent fans, I have a bunch of them in my rig.

yes, excellent. dems are great Cooler Masters.


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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/06 17:20:19 (permalink)
I now have another delemma.
What color fan/tubing should I get? I will leave it up to you! I like the blue because I feel it complements the case, but the red complements the mobo!
 
Should I test my WC not connected to anything, than attach the waterblock, etc?
Where do I mount my pump?
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/06 20:25:55 (permalink)
I'm not a fan of clear or colored tubing. I like opaque/black for tubing, but it's a personal choice. In terms of lighting, there are so many ideas to explore. Take your time looking at mod rigs for ideas.


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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/07 18:44:24 (permalink)
Any suggestions? Halo?
Should I test my WC not connected to anything, than attach the waterblock, etc? 
Where do I mount my pump? 
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/07 23:06:41 (permalink)
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Any suggestions? Halo?
Should I test my WC not connected to anything, than attach the waterblock, etc? 
Where do I mount my pump? 

if you are using Halo 003's design for you, then you mount the pump in a 5.25" bay. The reservoir should be above or bottom at same level as the pump (reservoir should also be easily accessible for filling and draining, away from computer parts).


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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/08 13:12:36 (permalink)
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/08 21:07:35 (permalink)
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/08 22:15:26 (permalink)
Color wise it's your choice, I use the black, because I like it best. I have the Red LED R4 fans, I like them a lot.
 
With regards to pump placement.. You just want it at the bottom of your loop, and always directly after your res. <-- makes filling much easier. And much less stressful lol. If you want you can drill a couple holes and bolt the pumps down, if you do get some rubber washers so they don't vibrate. My pump just sits, never had an issue with it before so I just left it the way it works lol.
 
I would recommend get some cheap tubing, and jump a PSU to run only your pumps, attached to everything that'll be in the loop, this will flush anything nasty out, one way you can do it is use a sink to fill one end of the loop and let the other run out into the sink, then rinse it out with hot distilled water.

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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/10 16:13:54 (permalink)
I have assembled the MM case.
BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM!
As you know, the strider is ~10 lbs!
Can the case support that, it just screws in with 4 screws!!
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/11 02:40:49 (permalink)
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I have assembled the MM case.
BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM!
As you know, the strider is ~10 lbs!
Can the case support that, it just screws in with 4 screws!!

When I put my MM case together and saw that there was no additional support for the PSU, I had the same concern.  I thought the PSU is too heavy to just mount with those 4 screws and may droop.  I wrote to MM about my concern along with several other questions I had at the time.  They replied and said "the PSU is supported by screws and the chassis backwall and is sufficient for normal use".  In my case with the AX1200 they were right, no sag, no problems, and the PSU is heavy too.  I had figured if there was an issue after install, then I'd simply get a piece of aluminum L-bracket from a home-store, paint it black and screw it just under the PSU to the MM back wall.  Didn't need to do it though after all.
 
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/11 18:12:24 (permalink)
The PSU is snug. There is not chance this will move!
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Re:Need Help for the ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE SR-2 Builds 2011/02/11 20:08:47 (permalink)
If you want AndrewP, Ill sell you my x5680's..
 
The x5690 is not going to get you anything but an extra multi.. on water its pretty much useless.. My chips are very very nice chips capable of high clocks.. PM me. And Ill give you some details.


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