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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 SP-CAPs 2020/09/26 17:47:12 (permalink)
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 17:53:39 (permalink)
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You will have overclock stability issues on the FTW3 Ultra on anything over the advertised boost clock speed of 1815Mhz.

Like this guy?  
 
https://forums.evga.com/3090FTW-Ultra2085-core-on-air-m3097166.aspx


3080?
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 18:03:52 (permalink)
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You will have overclock stability issues on the FTW3 Ultra on anything over the advertised boost clock speed of 1815Mhz.

Like this guy?  
 
https://forums.evga.com/3090FTW-Ultra2085-core-on-air-m3097166.aspx




Amazing OC! Will be interesting to see what happens when he starts throwing games at it...where the non-static power draw starts generating transients.
 
At the end of the day...I'm not super concerned with this and still looking forward to the FTW3 hybrid...but it gives me time to monitor all this...  I'm guessing most crashing that is being reported is simply driver level...as is normal for new GPU launches....or bad PSUs, user connection error for PCIE cables, unstable overclocks, failure to DDU previous drivers...etc.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 18:11:25 (permalink)
jayrwar
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You will have overclock stability issues on the FTW3 Ultra on anything over the advertised boost clock speed of 1815Mhz.

Like this guy?  
 



3080?



The 3090 takes more power and would be more susceptible to power issues if the caps on the back were not enough.
 
EDIT: I felt my original message was too aggressive. What I mean to say is, we don't know 100% what is causing the issues. It may be hardware, it maybe software, maybe even both. At this point I feel it's way to early to go to races with conclusions. Igor's article is only a few days old and we don't have more detailed testing from other 3rd parties.
post edited by LinS123 - 2020/09/26 18:15:11

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 18:14:35 (permalink)
Was debating on buying the gaming trio from msi or ftw3 ultra. Now I’m most certainly keeping a strong eye on the FTW3. Wish they go back in stock soon. 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 20:18:22 (permalink)
Same here! I think there is supposed to be an update on Monday for the next drop.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 20:33:30 (permalink)
What am I missing? All pictures of the XC only have 1 and 5 or the pictures are not correct and should be 4 and 2?
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 20:43:12 (permalink)
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What am I missing? All pictures of the XC only have 1 and 5 or the pictures are not correct and should be 4 and 2?

5+1 is Nvidia's reference design, which the XC3 is as close to as what EVGA offers.  FE's 4+2 is a custom config as the card is custom.  And there's no real "should be" at this point.  The entire card design has to be taken into consideration.  All of this needs to be taken with a grain of salt until the exact nature of these errors are concretely identified. 

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 21:20:19 (permalink)
Best Buy shows the STRIX having 6 pcaps but I bet it’s not accurate.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 21:23:17 (permalink)
Yeah on the Asus website the STRIX has all 6 as MLCC's...who knows
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 21:48:58 (permalink)
I do not trust him 2 is enough. Asus tuf I trust but not Jacob and sales marketing.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 22:30:07 (permalink)
The extra money went toward lipstick and RGB.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/26 22:36:24 (permalink)
Nvidia FE has 2x220 and 2x470 spcap but Evga ftw3 ultra has 4x220 on their board design. Is that make any sense?
post edited by Memsar - 2020/09/27 02:42:28
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 00:17:28 (permalink)
yea ill stick with evga here on this, in the instance it becomes a bigger issue, warranty and support is better

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 00:40:24 (permalink)
Memsar
Nvidia FE has 2x220 and 2x470 spcap/popscap but Evga ftw3 ultra has 4x220 on their board design. Is that make any sense?



where do you see this? those are fairly low SPcaps from what i've seen if that's true.  I really hope some testing is done here, because these numbers seem really low, but idk if that means anything or is perhaps even preferable? or is it simply a cost saving measure
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 00:42:54 (permalink)
Thanks for the update glad the production cards meet higher qc standards.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 00:48:37 (permalink)
Incredible like all people is speaking of a nonsense.
No POSCAP in no one card.
It's like blaming potatoes when it comes to tomatoes.
Parrot retarded people who generalize and talk without knowing in the least what they are talking about.
The problem also occurs on the TUF which have no one SP-CAP on the back of the die but only MLCC  so the problem is elsewhere.
An architectural limit of Ampere is therefore possible, or the 8nm production process that sucks more than it already seemed.
post edited by roccale - 2020/09/27 00:59:46
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 02:33:31 (permalink)
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3897-KR

There is a photo in this link and if you zoom the back plate you can see the numbers
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 02:55:39 (permalink)
Memsar
Nvidia FE has 2x220 and 2x470 spcap but Evga ftw3 ultra has 4x220 on their board design. Is that make any sense?


It's ok MSI VENTUS has 6 Sp Caps 220 ;)

https://plecom.imgix.net/...&w=1000&h=1000
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 03:14:11 (permalink)
Memsar
Nvidia FE has 2x220 and 2x470 spcap but Evga ftw3 ultra has 4x220 on their board design. Is that make any sense?


Plus even the FTW3 ULTRA 3090 has 4x220 so it must run very stable and FE must run higher temps to need larger SP-Caps at 2x470 and 2x220.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 03:15:48 (permalink)
Memsar
https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=10G-P5-3897-KR

There is a photo in this link and if you zoom the back plate you can see the numbers



XC3

 
SP-CAP:

 
POSCAP:

 
So all are SP-CAP or POSCAP?
 
 
post edited by roccale - 2020/09/27 03:29:29
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 04:12:17 (permalink)
Their name is sp-cap. There are no poscap any rtx 3xxx series.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 04:13:18 (permalink)
in fact ... it has been sustained for days.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 04:39:58 (permalink)
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You will have overclock stability issues on the FTW3 Ultra on anything over the advertised boost clock speed of 1815Mhz.

Like this guy?  
 
https://forums.evga.com/3090FTW-Ultra2085-core-on-air-m3097166.aspx




Amazing OC! Will be interesting to see what happens when he starts throwing games at it...where the non-static power draw starts generating transients.
 
At the end of the day...I'm not super concerned with this and still looking forward to the FTW3 hybrid...but it gives me time to monitor all this...  I'm guessing most crashing that is being reported is simply driver level...as is normal for new GPU launches....or bad PSUs, user connection error for PCIE cables, unstable overclocks, failure to DDU previous drivers...etc.




He already mentioned he couldn't do 2000+ on RDR2. 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 04:42:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Afterburner 2020/09/27 14:23:29
Hello. I'm mechanical engineer with some electrical experience and I would like to share my opinion on this. I think that the problem is RF frequency noise at higher voltages, not the actual capacity of sp-caps (mtcc) or mlcc ones. Higher rated caps 220-330-470uf have much higher frequency noise, and due to this design (closest possible to gpu core for fast voltage discharge/flow) they have smaller or don't have at all RF filter. Because most crashes happening when clock speed is hitting 2ghz, 300+ watts. And mlcc caps are much more unreliable but faster responding than sp caps, that's why you need combination of both. I think this Evga's 4x 220 (lower noise) + 2(ftw) or 1(xc) is very clever and it will actually work fine. But due to capacitor sizes , I don't think that they will top the performance charts (but they will be reliable and higher tier).
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 04:58:20 (permalink)
i dont get why there is so much complains about the SP-CAPs used instead of MLCCs. GPUs are working great with stated frequencies, anything above is just overclocking (not counting gpu boost algorithm which can be capped and is just nice bonus) where noone can guarantee stability. Ppl should just learn how to enjoy things, instead of complaining about nonsense. Fix is easy, just cap the maximum frequency bellow 2GHz.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 05:03:14 (permalink)
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i dont get why there is so much complains about the SP-CAPs used instead of MLCCs. GPUs are working great with stated frequencies, anything above is just overclocking (not counting gpu boost algorithm which can be capped and is just nice bonus) where noone can guarantee stability. Ppl should just learn how to enjoy things, instead of complaining about nonsense. Fix is easy, just cap the maximum frequency bellow 2GHz.




You see the boost clock as a bonus, me and others see it as a feature. Reviews and benchmarks posted online "for marketing" where done with it enabled. Doing a VBIOS update to lower it means false advertising in my books. (I know EVGA said nothing about a VBIOS to lower the boost, in fact, Jacob denied them having any plans to do this which is why I am still sticking with EVGA)
 
Also I personally buy EVGA to overclock. I buy EVGA because they offer decent coolers. If I didn't care about overclocking I'd just go FE. I have had an EVGA 750 Ti, EVGA 1080 Ti, and EVGA 2080 Super and I have overclocked each and everyone of them. None of them had issues maintaining the factory OC. I don't expect the 3090 FTW3 to be any different. 
 
I personally don't care what capacitors a card has. I never knew a thing about capacitors and I never expected to even hear about them. I don't care what EVGA uses as long as the card works as advertised, and is not worse than others in the same price range. 
post edited by MRizk - 2020/09/27 05:05:15
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 05:21:00 (permalink)
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i dont get why there is so much complains about the SP-CAPs used instead of MLCCs. GPUs are working great with stated frequencies, anything above is just overclocking (not counting gpu boost algorithm which can be capped and is just nice bonus) where noone can guarantee stability. Ppl should just learn how to enjoy things, instead of complaining about nonsense. Fix is easy, just cap the maximum frequency bellow 2GHz.




You see the boost clock as a bonus, me and others see it as a feature. Reviews and benchmarks posted online "for marketing" where done with it enabled. Doing a VBIOS update to lower it means false advertising in my books. (I know EVGA said nothing about a VBIOS to lower the boost, in fact, Jacob denied them having any plans to do this which is why I am still sticking with EVGA)
 
Also I personally buy EVGA to overclock. I buy EVGA because they offer decent coolers. If I didn't care about overclocking I'd just go FE. I have had an EVGA 750 Ti, EVGA 1080 Ti, and EVGA 2080 Super and I have overclocked each and everyone of them. None of them had issues maintaining the factory OC. I don't expect the 3090 FTW3 to be any different. 
 
I personally don't care what capacitors a card has. I never knew a thing about capacitors and I never expected to even hear about them. I don't care what EVGA uses as long as the card works as advertised, and is not worse than others in the same price range. 




well when you buy car, and go to do some chiptuning or any modification and it will go wrong i doubt that you will complain about it not being good to manufacturer of car :) ... all i can see cards working fine, differences are like 1-2 fps when capped so why even bother. EVGA has good approach and fixed this in FTW3 series. So i see no problem here. Boost clocks are about possible headroom anyway, if there is enough power and temp to be spent. If i want to OC then i have to count on fact that there is some max spot where i cannot go over.
Not here to argue, just surprised that ppl have enough balls to even highlight such thing :)
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 05:47:18 (permalink)
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i dont get why there is so much complains about the SP-CAPs used instead of MLCCs. GPUs are working great with stated frequencies, anything above is just overclocking (not counting gpu boost algorithm which can be capped and is just nice bonus) where noone can guarantee stability. Ppl should just learn how to enjoy things, instead of complaining about nonsense. Fix is easy, just cap the maximum frequency bellow 2GHz.




You see the boost clock as a bonus, me and others see it as a feature. Reviews and benchmarks posted online "for marketing" where done with it enabled. Doing a VBIOS update to lower it means false advertising in my books. (I know EVGA said nothing about a VBIOS to lower the boost, in fact, Jacob denied them having any plans to do this which is why I am still sticking with EVGA)
 
Also I personally buy EVGA to overclock. I buy EVGA because they offer decent coolers. If I didn't care about overclocking I'd just go FE. I have had an EVGA 750 Ti, EVGA 1080 Ti, and EVGA 2080 Super and I have overclocked each and everyone of them. None of them had issues maintaining the factory OC. I don't expect the 3090 FTW3 to be any different. 
 
I personally don't care what capacitors a card has. I never knew a thing about capacitors and I never expected to even hear about them. I don't care what EVGA uses as long as the card works as advertised, and is not worse than others in the same price range. 




well when you buy car, and go to do some chiptuning or any modification and it will go wrong i doubt that you will complain about it not being good to manufacturer of car :) ... all i can see cards working fine, differences are like 1-2 fps when capped so why even bother. EVGA has good approach and fixed this in FTW3 series. So i see no problem here. Boost clocks are about possible headroom anyway, if there is enough power and temp to be spent. If i want to OC then i have to count on fact that there is some max spot where i cannot go over.
Not here to argue, just surprised that ppl have enough balls to even highlight such thing :)


I would overclock my car if it was compatible with EVGA Precision X1.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/27 05:48:46 (permalink)
I actually snagged the 3080 XC3 ultra gaming and received it this past Wednesday. It has the 5+1 setup as shown in the pictures. The card boosts to around 1955 consistently and sits between 73-78c. So far I have had not one crash. What I have had is major stuttering in some games, cod warzone and control are two that stand out. I'm hoping this is just a driver issue and not hardware as even with a 100mhz underclock the issues persisted.
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