michalvan89

MRizk

michalvan89
i dont get why there is so much complains about the SP-CAPs used instead of MLCCs. GPUs are working great with stated frequencies, anything above is just overclocking (not counting gpu boost algorithm which can be capped and is just nice bonus) where noone can guarantee stability. Ppl should just learn how to enjoy things, instead of complaining about nonsense. Fix is easy, just cap the maximum frequency bellow 2GHz.

You see the boost clock as a bonus, me and others see it as a feature. Reviews and benchmarks posted online "for marketing" where done with it enabled. Doing a VBIOS update to lower it means false advertising in my books. (I know EVGA said nothing about a VBIOS to lower the boost, in fact, Jacob denied them having any plans to do this which is why I am still sticking with EVGA)
 
Also I personally buy EVGA to overclock. I buy EVGA because they offer decent coolers. If I didn't care about overclocking I'd just go FE. I have had an EVGA 750 Ti, EVGA 1080 Ti, and EVGA 2080 Super and I have overclocked each and everyone of them. None of them had issues maintaining the factory OC. I don't expect the 3090 FTW3 to be any different. 
 
I personally don't care what capacitors a card has. I never knew a thing about capacitors and I never expected to even hear about them. I don't care what EVGA uses as long as the card works as advertised, and is not worse than others in the same price range. 

well when you buy car, and go to do some chiptuning or any modification and it will go wrong i doubt that you will complain about it not being good to manufacturer of car :) ... all i can see cards working fine, differences are like 1-2 fps when capped so why even bother. EVGA has good approach and fixed this in FTW3 series. So i see no problem here. Boost clocks are about possible headroom anyway, if there is enough power and temp to be spent. If i want to OC then i have to count on fact that there is some max spot where i cannot go over.
Not here to argue, just surprised that ppl have enough balls to even highlight such thing :)

Agree with the analogy...but any car enthusiast is going to pick a car they know produces the best results when they tinker with them (MKIV).  In this case, those choosing between an FTW3, Aorus, or Strix, are going to look for the one that produces the best results when they thinker with it.
 
Also...for those that want to slap a block on these chips, it's things like this that matter.  Is EVGA going to be limited on clocks compared to ASUS as a result of these decoupling capacitors?  When it comes to targeting the premium card of a series, you are paying for that custom PCB that is overengineered...not skimped on.  I am trusting EVGA here though and I'm sure their design is great...but I'm still waiting to see what ASUS, Gigabyte, (and AMD) put out before making my decision.
 
I think this is why people are asking these questions.  I think it's fair to ask this and challenge them.  You don't have to be an expert to ask questions...no matter how relevant. 

DarthSawyers
Best Buy shows the STRIX having 6 pcaps but I bet it’s not accurate.

ShaconBacon
Yeah on the Asus website the STRIX has all 6 as MLCC's...who knows

Here's a video at the 4 min mark he flips the Strix around to the back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDMS54jEFM

Memsar
Does the 6 MLCC design mean more quality and block crashing?

I won't answer that. Some say all is better some say 2 in the middle is better. Here is a video Buildzoid did for Gamers Nexus of the breakdown FE and what he thinks. A very smart dude.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THMukcOzB8g

So EVGA has cheaped out on FTW3's somewhere compared to it's rival Strix, since Strix OC guarantees 1935MHz boost compared to FTW3 Ultras 1800MHz. Which kinda makes sense since later on, EVGA is going to offer those even more expensive Hydrocoppers and Kingpins.
 
The question is why should I buy more expensive FTW3 Ultra instead of the Strix OC in this specific price segment.
 
Strix PCB looks clean, would love to see FTW3 teardown and comparison.

R3L3NTL3SS

YURIIII
So EVGA has cheaped out on FTW3's somewhere compared to it's rival Strix, since Strix OC guarantees 1935MHz boost compared to FTW3 Ultras 1800MHz. Which kinda makes sense since later on, EVGA is going to offer those even more expensive Hydrocoppers and Kingpins.
 
The question is why should I buy more expensive FTW3 Ultra instead of the Strix OC in this specific price segment.
 
Strix PCB looks clean, would love to see FTW3 teardown and comparison.

Jesus some of you are dense. Soooo many people with knowledge on the subject have said EVGA's setup is perfectly fine, if not better in some instances than the STRIX card.
 
But by all means, please don't buy one. Maybe I'll actually have a chance of checking out with one next time they're ins tock. 

I'm not saying EVGA's cards are not fine. But if product X can guarantee you higher clockspeeds than product Y, there's probably a reasoning behind that. Those numbers printed on the box are probably not pulled out of ass.
 
Hypothetically. If I end up buying a card that promises me 1800MHz and it barely makes it, even though most people got +1900MHz with the same card, I can't do anything about it because it did what was promised. You got the idea?
 
That's why I also said that it would be nice to see both cards torn down, side by side, to find those differences.

I know few people that got bad units with all cheap caps. Also I had photo here but it was taken out. I bet there will be a recall. I also think there is one more issue with aib boards but I will leave that for some other time. Your best bet is going with FE model.

Vlax_Aus

Axejess

Vlax_Aus
Hello. I'm mechanical engineer with some electrical experience and I would like to share my opinion on this. I think that the problem is RF frequency noise at higher voltages, not the actual capacity of sp-caps (mtcc) or mlcc ones. Higher rated caps 220-330-470uf have much higher frequency noise, and due to this design (closest possible to gpu core for fast voltage discharge/flow) they have smaller or don't have at all RF filter. Because most crashes happening when clock speed is hitting 2ghz, 300+ watts. And mlcc caps are much more unreliable but faster responding than sp caps, that's why you need combination of both. I think this Evga's 4x 220 (lower noise) + 2(ftw) or 1(xc) is very clever and it will actually work fine. But due to capacitor sizes , I don't think that they will top the performance charts (but they will be reliable and higher tier).

So is there "much" difference between using 4x220 or like the fe 2x220 + 2x470? And in what way would that influence anything?
If you look up pcb back pictures on techpowerup.com it seems a lot are using 470 or 330 and not much using 220.
Maybe there can be another reason you can think if that evga uses 220's maybe they have bigger capacity somewhere else or there power delivery won't need bigger ones or something?
 
It's probably a non issue but i and some others are a bit  querious why most others seems to use bigger ones and sin I have no idea how it really works we just can do one thing and that's ask around :)
 
 

Difference is as they state 220/330/470 atc .., voltage charge. Bit you need to look at the whole card, not only this 6 caps. This 6 caps are only first responders to the immediate call for power/ followed by voltage controller to take you to the right power stage/ then vrm's kick in / then voltage is called from psu( delivery). Evga was always using best vrm capacitors, switches, and everything was tested properly. It's just my opinion that because they used 220mtcc, that tells me what they estimated to be optimum for the given chip with whole that new 8nm process and other changes. I'm sure that card will perform excellent. Bit because some other partner card's didn't implement power delivery properly, I think Nvidia will tune down nv boost feature, otherwise it would be a massive recoil on some brands.

Thanks. I got a another answer of someone who also states that maybe they went with the 220 on these spots for faster loading/unloading as well. But he also stated that to know 100% for sure you need someone who knows the whole design. Als also why they choose with this after testing/prototyping.
 
Anyway it's interesting stuff and I am glad to see so many people with more knowledge are prepared to share some basics. Thanks!
 
I will trust EVGA in that they choose for this setup for a reason compared to bigger caps.

Memsar
Does anybody know which design and components evga rtx 3090 kingpin has used? This card has a world record 2.58Ghz with liquid nitrogen!

Nothing has been release yet, but EVGA fixed the problem on the FTW3 so I am assuming they will do the same on the kingpin before they release it. I think it will be fine 

jayrwar
Frame Chasers on YouTube shunted his XC3 and going from 2000mhz to 2100mhz gave like 2 fps. 2000mhz is max and you are getting diminishing returns with these cards. Even if the Strix is promising 19**Hz it means nothing because you could be over paying for the same thing. 2000hz is proven on FTW cards.

 
What if I buy FTW3 Ultra in that faith that it does +1900MHz no problem, but ends up giving barely 1800MHz which was promised? Can I RMA? Probably not.
 

YURIIII

jayrwar
Frame Chasers on YouTube shunted his XC3 and going from 2000mhz to 2100mhz gave like 2 fps. 2000mhz is max and you are getting diminishing returns with these cards. Even if the Strix is promising 19**Hz it means nothing because you could be over paying for the same thing. 2000hz is proven on FTW cards.

 
What if I buy FTW3 Ultra in that faith that it does +1900MHz no problem, but ends up giving barely 1800MHz which was promised? Can I RMA?

You are only guaranteed what is promised. You can't RMA if it meets what is promised.

Crismac1

Memsar
Does the 6 MLCC design mean more quality and block crashing?

I won't answer that. Some say all is better some say 2 in the middle is better. Here is a video Buildzoid did for Gamers Nexus of the breakdown FE and what he thinks. A very smart dude.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THMukcOzB8g

One thing I also noticed is the FE and ASUS use all surface mount VRM caps, while the FTW3 uses a bunch of thru-hole caps. That includes the 3090 FTW3, which seems a bit odd for a $1800 card.  Meh.

Avolate

stefanhondasi
I know few people that got bad units with all cheap caps. Also I had photo here but it was taken out. I bet there will be a recall. I also think there is one more issue with aib boards but I will leave that for some other time. Your best bet is going with FE model.

 I dont think they will recall the cards.  More likely they will give them a downclocked BIOS to flash. 

I would not accept that

kevinc313

Crismac1

Memsar
Does the 6 MLCC design mean more quality and block crashing?

I won't answer that. Some say all is better some say 2 in the middle is better. Here is a video Buildzoid did for Gamers Nexus of the breakdown FE and what he thinks. A very smart dude.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THMukcOzB8g

One thing I also noticed is the FE and ASUS use all surface mount VRM caps, while the FTW3 uses a bunch of thru-hole caps. That includes the 3090 FTW3, which seems a bit odd for a $1800 card.  Meh.

You pay an extra premium for the ASUS but FTW use 3 X 8 pin connectors so they can handle extra power draw.

The original post mentions 5 + 10, but looking at the photo it appears to show 4 + 20.

Am I missing something obvious?

kevinc313

jayrwar

kevinc313

Crismac1

Memsar
Does the 6 MLCC design mean more quality and block crashing?

I won't answer that. Some say all is better some say 2 in the middle is better. Here is a video Buildzoid did for Gamers Nexus of the breakdown FE and what he thinks. A very smart dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THMukcOzB8g

One thing I also noticed is the FE and ASUS use all surface mount VRM caps, while the FTW3 uses a bunch of thru-hole caps. That includes the 3090 FTW3, which seems a bit odd for a $1800 card.  Meh.

You pay an extra premium for the ASUS but FTW use 3 X 8 pin connectors so they can handle extra power draw.

The Asus TUF 3080 is $699 and the only thing it seems to be lacking is 3x8-pin power.

I guess you can't just look at just the power delivery capacitor type but the system as a whole. eVGA could be using more or higher rated pass through capacitors instead for smoother power delivery for a 3 X 8 pin connection. ASUS have less SPCaps as they only use 2 X 8 pin. Buildzoid said it would give you a 15mhz advantage but the MLCS is more important issue for overclocking.