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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 03:02:36 (permalink)
Could it be my psu ?  i have a tagan 1200 Watts.. surely enough.. but maybe too much ?


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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 05:14:57 (permalink)
VERY nice guide!!  i will certainly try your methods when I finish my RMA process. 
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 05:57:39 (permalink)
Just bought Corsair 1000HX.. see if it wil make any difference

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 14:16:05 (permalink)
Update..

Halleylouyaa.. its either my new psu.. or me changing cpu pll to 1.80 and setting vdroop off what did it :)




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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 18:08:27 (permalink)
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Great guide!

Using it I was able to get 221 to pass 10 passes of Linx. I left the RAM for now and started upping the multiplier, 16 passed as well but 17 I keep getting BSOD IRQL_NOT_LESS... and the driver USBUHCI.SYS

I kept upping VCORE all the way to 1.4 but in less than 1 minute on LINX and BSOD

Any ideas how to get past this?



17x puts you close to 3.8 GHz. Depending on the chip, you may still need a bit more VCore. Is Vdroop enabled? What are the core temps at 17x?

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 18:09:54 (permalink)
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VERY nice guide!!  i will certainly try your methods when I finish my RMA process. 



Thanks!

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 18:12:10 (permalink)
AceBaran

Update..

Halleylouyaa.. its either my new psu.. or me changing cpu pll to 1.80 and setting vdroop off what did it :)



Glad to hear that you got your OC config working. The HX1000 is an excellent PSU.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 19:02:47 (permalink)
So far this guide has helped me more than I thought it would. I have a feeling I've got a golden mobo and cpu.

Just a hint of what I mean. Right now I'm at 227 BCLK with a VTT of +150, vdimm at 1.65 with mem speed at 1810 9,9,9,1T, cpu at 3.39ghz w/vcore at 1.1 w/vdroop. Running LinX right now 3gig mem use running at 119.095 sec and 44.833 GFlops. PCIE is at 102.

What's nice is I don't think I'm finished with what this puppy can really do at low voltages.

All I can say is good show linux. Good show.
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 23:28:31 (permalink)
I know every chip is different, but I'm a bit amazed at how much VTT my chip is taking with it being from a supposed "good" batch.

Using the initial settings Linux suggested, I couldn't even post. I tried using x17, x16, x15, and none of it mattered. What mattered was VTT. When I used the stock setting of +200, I could post just fine all the way up to 180 BCLK, so far, but if I tried to use anything less than +200, I was dead in the water. Very odd.

Well, I'm testing 180x15 right now. I'm sure I'll be back with questions.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. If I tried to use anything less than +200, I couldn't use all of my memory. I was able to post and boot into Windows a couple times with less than +200 VTT, but could only use 3.99GB's of my 6GB's. This all went away with +200 VTT, which, according to Eleet, is 1.46V.
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2009/12/31 23:36:44 (permalink)
Well. Decided to level off at 234 (233.43 actual) BCLK. Now moving the multiplier up. Will post final out come later. So far tho, so good.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 03:59:22 (permalink)
**Update

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 04:01:05 (permalink)
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So far this guide has helped me more than I thought it would. I have a feeling I've got a golden mobo and cpu.

Just a hint of what I mean. Right now I'm at 227 BCLK with a VTT of +150, vdimm at 1.65 with mem speed at 1810 9,9,9,1T, cpu at 3.39ghz w/vcore at 1.1 w/vdroop. Running LinX right now 3gig mem use running at 119.095 sec and 44.833 GFlops. PCIE is at 102.

What's nice is I don't think I'm finished with what this puppy can really do at low voltages.

All I can say is good show linux. Good show.


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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 07:45:00 (permalink)
AceBaran,

You might want to run LinX using all 8 threads instead of only 4. It puts more of a load on the cpu for stress testing, but beware, temps will rise also.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 08:16:27 (permalink)
But i like my gflops better with 4 cores :p

im gonna lap my cpu tonight then ill set it to HT on


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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 10:09:30 (permalink)
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But i like my gflops better with 4 cores :p

im gonna lap my cpu tonight then ill set it to HT on


LOL, yeah, it's good for bragging rights, but that's about it. If you want a better stress test, run it with HT turned on. You may need more voltage too.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 16:45:59 (permalink)

trs32505 

So far this guide has helped me more than I thought it would. I have a feeling I've got a golden mobo and cpu. 

Just a hint of what I mean. Right now I'm at 227 BCLK with a VTT of +150, vdimm at 1.65 with mem speed at 1810 9,9,9,1T, cpu at 3.39ghz w/vcore at 1.1 w/vdroop. Running LinX right now 3gig mem use running at 119.095 sec and 44.833 GFlops. PCIE is at 102. 

What's nice is I don't think I'm finished with what this puppy can really do at low voltages. 

All I can say is good show linux. Good show. 
 

Thanks. Glad the guide helped out.

trs32505

Well. Decided to level off at 234 (233.43 actual) BCLK. Now moving the multiplier up. Will post final out come later. So far tho, so good.


That is very impressive. It looks like you have a great chip and board with being able to reach bclk 234.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 16:51:34 (permalink)
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I know every chip is different, but I'm a bit amazed at how much VTT my chip is taking with it being from a supposed "good" batch.

Using the initial settings Linux suggested, I couldn't even post. I tried using x17, x16, x15, and none of it mattered. What mattered was VTT. When I used the stock setting of +200, I could post just fine all the way up to 180 BCLK, so far, but if I tried to use anything less than +200, I was dead in the water. Very odd.

Well, I'm testing 180x15 right now. I'm sure I'll be back with questions.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. If I tried to use anything less than +200, I couldn't use all of my memory. I was able to post and boot into Windows a couple times with less than +200 VTT, but could only use 3.99GB's of my 6GB's. This all went away with +200 VTT, which, according to Eleet, is 1.46V.



Unfortunately, some chips need more VTT than others in order to reach the higher Uncore / QPI frequencies. You might want to try +250mv and see how far you can get. These boards tend to undervolt the VTT a bit based on what E-Leet is showing for VTT.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 16:53:11 (permalink)
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**Update

Best i can do atm





Looks great to me. Your temps are excellent also. Nice work.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 18:58:38 (permalink)
Excellent guide.  I do have an issue I would like to get some opinions on.  My VRM temps seem to be quite high.  I stopped the QPI OC process at 200 when I noticed the VRM temps in the upper 80s so I added 2 40mm fans blowing on the Vreg heatsink which brought the temps down some.  That is as far as I took the QPI and I just finished the overclock.  When I run Prime95, my VRM temps idle at 74 and run 90-93 under load (I don't like them this high so I don't run it for long).  My question is that is this normal and what can I do to reduce the temps other than reduce the clock/voltage?  Thanks in advance.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/01 21:02:45 (permalink)
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Excellent guide.  I do have an issue I would like to get some opinions on.  My VRM temps seem to be quite high.  I stopped the QPI OC process at 200 when I noticed the VRM temps in the upper 80s so I added 2 40mm fans blowing on the Vreg heatsink which brought the temps down some.  That is as far as I took the QPI and I just finished the overclock.  When I run Prime95, my VRM temps idle at 74 and run 90-93 under load (I don't like them this high so I don't run it for long).  My question is that is this normal and what can I do to reduce the temps other than reduce the clock/voltage?  Thanks in advance.

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The VReg temps do run hot on the E758. The two things I have found that drive up the VReg temps include higher Uncore frequency and higher PWM frequency. If you have not already done so, I would try Uncore at 16x and PWM at 800 KHz. The other option would be to replace the TIM for the VReg heatsink. The contact might not be the best which can also drive up your temps.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/02 02:19:55 (permalink)
Thank you Linux..

Tnx for your help..

Im a bit dissapointed tho, classy is a great board, but my chip insnt..

Tip: dont waste time on lapping a 920 D0, my temps are excactly the same lol !!


Edit: I have dominator GT 2000 cl7 memory running them @ 1744 8-8-8-20 1T timings.. now i want to tithen the timings to lets say 7-7-7-20

Isnt the only thing i have to adjust the VDimm volt ?
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/02 09:29:58 (permalink)
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The VReg temps do run hot on the E758. The two things I have found that drive up the VReg temps include higher Uncore frequency and higher PWM frequency. If you have not already done so, I would try Uncore at 16x and PWM at 800 KHz. The other option would be to replace the TIM for the VReg heatsink. The contact might not be the best which can also drive up your temps.


Thanks for the response.  I have not changed my PWM or Uncore and have tried replacing the TIM and still get temps that are too high.  Are those of you that get to these high clock settings all using aftermarket cooling for the Vreg (water/air)?  Through experimentation, the only thing that affects the Vreg temp for me is increased VTT voltage (mine is at +225mV for a QPI of up to 195).  Any more suggestions?


 

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/02 13:39:29 (permalink)
Okay, followed the guide, and managed to get all the way up to 225 bclk, then hit a wall and couldn't really go any farther without some kind of major change, so I'm just going to say, for now, that 225 is my max bclk.

Thing is, 225 wasn't giving me the cpu/memory ratio that i wanted, so I backed it down a bit to 215. With everything still set very low, other than bclk, I can run and pass LinX all day long.

Next step was the memory. I have 1600MHz Mushkin Redline ram, and, using a 2:8 ratio, that puts me at 1715MHz. At stock speed, timings are 6-7-6-18 72, so I loosened these up to 7-8-7-20 110. Just like before, I can run LinX all day without errors.

The problem comes in when I start increasing the multi. I'm trying to get the highest clock speed as possible, obviously, but at 215x20 (215x21 with turbo) I get errors in Linx around the 50 minute mark.

I've increased Vcore and it doesn't seem to help. I'm already at a fairly high level of Vcore, so I don't feel too comfortable pushing it much farther, even though I still have a little room left with temps. My hottest core, under full load, is 82C.

Here's my template. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the 50 minute error??

Mother Board ( E-762 )
CPU ( 920 DO )
Memory ( Mushkin 1600MHz 6-7-6-18 )
Operating System ( Windows 7 x64 Home Premium )


Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( 21X )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 215 )
MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 16x )
CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
Spread Spectrum ( Disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )


Memory Feature       
Memory Speed (Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 2:8 )
Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
Memory Low Gap ( Auto )
tCL Setting ( 7 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 7 )
tRAS Setting ( 20 )
tRFC Setting ( 110 )
Command Rate ( 1t )


Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.475 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +200 )
CPU PLL VCore ( 1.800 )
IOH PLL VCore ( 1.80 )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV )
QPI PLL VCore ( 1.20 )
IOH VCore ( 1.40 )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( 1.65 )
VTT PWM Frequency ( 610 KHZ )
CPU PWM Frequency ( 1333 KHZ )
CPU Impedance ( Less )
QPI Signal Compensation ( N/A )
ICH VCore ( 1.25 )



CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Enabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
QPI Frequency Selection ( 4.800 GT/s )
OC Recorvery ( Disabled )
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/02 15:04:26 (permalink)
you have a different board then i me, but i had to raise QPI pll from 1.10 to 1.30
Also try PCIE frequency from 100 to 104.. i have 103
I also crashed using CPU Impedance ( Less ) QPI Signal Compensation ( less )i have these on auto..
CPU PWN frequency i have on 800.. try some of these settings i think..


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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/03 14:08:05 (permalink)
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Thanks for the response.  I have not changed my PWM or Uncore and have tried replacing the TIM and still get temps that are too high.  Are those of you that get to these high clock settings all using aftermarket cooling for the Vreg (water/air)?  Through experimentation, the only thing that affects the Vreg temp for me is increased VTT voltage (mine is at +225mV for a QPI of up to 195).  Any more suggestions? 



90+ C seems high if you replaced the TIM. My load VReg temps are normally in the 60's with the E758. It might be worth taking the VReg heatsink off again and check to make sure the TIM layer is thick enough to make good contact to the heatsink. Does the VReg heatsink feel hot to the touch under load?

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/03 14:14:28 (permalink)
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Okay, followed the guide, and managed to get all the way up to 225 bclk, then hit a wall and couldn't really go any farther without some kind of major change, so I'm just going to say, for now, that 225 is my max bclk.

Thing is, 225 wasn't giving me the cpu/memory ratio that i wanted, so I backed it down a bit to 215. With everything still set very low, other than bclk, I can run and pass LinX all day long.

Next step was the memory. I have 1600MHz Mushkin Redline ram, and, using a 2:8 ratio, that puts me at 1715MHz. At stock speed, timings are 6-7-6-18 72, so I loosened these up to 7-8-7-20 110. Just like before, I can run LinX all day without errors.

The problem comes in when I start increasing the multi. I'm trying to get the highest clock speed as possible, obviously, but at 215x20 (215x21 with turbo) I get errors in Linx around the 50 minute mark.

I've increased Vcore and it doesn't seem to help. I'm already at a fairly high level of Vcore, so I don't feel too comfortable pushing it much farther, even though I still have a little room left with temps. My hottest core, under full load, is 82C.

Here's my template. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the 50 minute error??



The error might still be related to VCore. Since your temps are in the 80's currently, have you tried backing down the bclk one or two notches? I would try 213 or 214 and see if you can get LinX stable with your current VCore. You may also want to try QPI PLL at 1.25v.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/03 14:16:24 (permalink)
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Thank you Linux..

Tnx for your help..

Im a bit dissapointed tho, classy is a great board, but my chip insnt..

Tip: dont waste time on lapping a 920 D0, my temps are excactly the same lol !!


Edit: I have dominator GT 2000 cl7 memory running them @ 1744 8-8-8-20 1T timings.. now i want to tithen the timings to lets say 7-7-7-20

Isnt the only thing i have to adjust the VDimm volt ?



I was able to get my GT 2000 kit to run stable at 7-7-7-20 using 1.7v vDIMM. It took around 1.68v to get them stable at 7-8-7-20.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/03 19:11:07 (permalink)
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Edit: I have dominator GT 2000 cl7 memory running them @ 1744 8-8-8-20 1T timings.. now i want to tithen the timings to lets say 7-7-7-20

Isnt the only thing i have to adjust the VDimm volt ?


If you have Dominator GT 2000 CL7, I think you can do far more better. Here is what I tried before.



After some more testing, I am running at 7-7-6-19-55-1T now. Hope this help.
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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/03 20:10:21 (permalink)
Those are some excellent timings for the low vDIMM and frequency that you are running. Very nice.

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Re:Max Base Clock Strategy Guide 2010/01/13 19:12:39 (permalink)
Why is this not stickyed?!
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