Xavier Zepherious

TheWolf
IF they were doing away with P81xx WU you would think they'd say so and that the new replacement will demand
such CPU power as you describe, but no where have I seen such a statement, so that leads me to believe there
is no change so no need for this change they are making simply because the hardware we are using right at this
moment fulfills those needs and completes well within the deadline time now set, again no need to change deadlines
or the hardware being use that is already very well keeping up with there demands, at times now they can't keep
up with us as is and has to off load other WU's to bigadv rigs until they can get more bigadv ready for download.
 

just because we don't see a need doesn't mean there isn't one.... we could be unaware of current research or WU's they are planning that current machines can't run
 
simply saying because we don't see a need (because we are on the outside - not on the inside knowing what research they want to do) we don't need to change hardware
just how do you know how your machine will fill their needs now or future?
this is why Vijay and staff need PR and information sent out to the donors (US)
 
current Wu's will work with the new systems, it just be faster- until research is done- then you offload new-similair ones to SMP and you could bring in new WU's doing bigger atoms and modeling. Remember desktop CPU's are getting bigger too so they are able to handle bigger atom counts too (8 core/16t)
 
The problem I see is seeing low PPD for bigger and bigger SMP WU's...something a number of us have been complaining about

Yea that's what some would like us to believe.
Good luck with that as we know better, seen it to many times where nothing changed except
there need for speed to do the same work as always. Let us know when they get back to there vacation outing. lol

"and part of the change in bigadv threshold is because we would like to encourage moderately powerful machines to help boost the capabilities of non-bigadv SMP projects where we do a lot of this science." Lets not lose track, they have a backlog of SMP that no one wants to run due to the low PPD and someone decided that if socket F were no longer able to do BIGADV then they would do regular SMP at a major point loss. PG does not consider WATT to POINT ratio, we do. Several of us will not use the power it demands for such low points. The FF talks about this on great length and it is a rehash of what happened in 2011. Same problem, only then it was core 17 vs optimized 15 and Kepler vs Fermi. It doesn't mater what hardware you get, it will get obsolete. It is the very short notice and their lack of understanding how the donors perceive the points that is at issue. No attitude has changed on PG's to donors since 2011 and is doubtful it will change now. Save your money, save your resources, save your anger and crunch. Same science different owner.

TheWolf
Yea jump the gun push us out then sit on the arses until the last min. to doing anything and only the donor suffers
setting waiting to use the new hardware they buy.

I had to look this word "arses"
arse [ɑːs] US and Canadian, ass
n Slang
1. the buttocks
2. the anus
3. a stupid person; fool
4. sexual intercourse
5. Austral effrontery; cheek
get one's arse into gear to start to do something seriously and quickly Also called (for senses 2, 3) arsehole [ˈɑːsˌhəʊl] (US and Canadian) ****Usage: Dating back at least a thousand years, and taboo till around the middle of the 20th century, this venerable ``Anglo-Saxon'' word now seems unlikely to cause offence in all but the most formal contexts. Its acceptability has possibly been helped by such useful verb formations as ``to arse about'' and ``I can't be arsed''
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get one's arse into gear to start to do something seriously and quickly Also called (for senses 2, 3) arsehole [ˈɑːsˌhəʊl] (US and Canadian) ****.
 
Or this:
Arses is a genus of monarch flycatchers in the family Monarchidae. The genus is restricted to forest and second growth on the island of New Guinea, a few surrounding islands and northern Queensland. The genus is separated by their frilled necks, fleshy blue eye wattles and delicate pendent nests. They also have a distinctive foraging technique, hopping up tree trunks in a spiral fashion

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TheWolf
Yea jump the gun push us out then sit on there arses until the last min. not doing anything and only the donor suffers
setting waiting to use the new hardware they buy to help such a worthy cause. Now we have to take it else where to use i
at its full protentual .

I had to look this word "arses"
arse [ɑːs] US and Canadian, ass

n Slang1. the buttocks
2. the anus
3. a stupid person; fool
4. sexual intercourse
5. Austral effrontery; cheek
get one's arse into gear to start to do something seriously and quickly Also called (for senses 2, 3) arsehole [ˈɑːsˌhəʊl] (US and Canadian) ****Usage: Dating back at least a thousand years, and taboo till around the middle of the 20th century, this venerable ``Anglo-Saxon'' word now seems unlikely to cause offence in all but the most formal contexts. Its acceptability has possibly been helped by such useful verb formations as ``to arse about'' and ``I can't be arsed''

Mahahahaha you wrong for that   
 
BTW that should have been there arses.
 
Maybe 3. was best answer?

still folding here but points are down for me as 2 ankle biters shut down for awhile not sure why or how long they were down but come Feb. 17 i'll be cutting way down cause i don't have $5,000.00 plus to spare to build a 32 or bigger bigadv server nor can i afford any more high end gpu's and i will NOT be running smp on the ankle biters due to points vs watt's, but at least i got more bigadv then 2011 i think back then i only had a couple of months worth this time around i'm at about 6 months now come to think of it i spent around a $1,000.00 then to do bigadv on 3 i7 920 set ups     and both times i sold off my gpu farms to fund bigadv but not this time keeping the few gpu's i have left and i'll be building a real gaming rig seeing as everything i spent has been going in to folding the last couple of years no more gaming on a old dual core rig and low end gpu for me.

asus939
still folding here but points are down for me as 2 ankle biters shut down for awhile not sure why or how long they were down but come Feb. 17 i'll be cutting way down cause i don't have $5,000.00 plus to spare to build a 32 or bigger bigadv server nor can i afford any more high end gpu's and i will NOT be running smp on the ankle biters due to points vs watt's, but at least i got more bigadv then 2011 i think back then i only had a couple of months worth this time around i'm at about 6 months now come to think of it i spent around a $1,000.00 then to do bigadv on 3 i7 920 set ups     and both times i sold off my gpu farms to fund bigadv but not this time keeping the few gpu's i have left and i'll be building a real gaming rig seeing as everything i spent has been going in to folding the last couple of years no more gaming on a old dual core rig and low end gpu for me.

True points vs watt's is really bad today most of all on GPU and at least P8101
I can get almost 580,000 PPD per day on my 3 GTX 680 Rig and now with the new Core 17 I am lucky to see 400,000 today.
Even on a more sad note is all I am getting now are Core 15 and getting close to 300,000.
Now Note that each level or core I still have to run 780-820 watts 24 hours. 780 watts for core 17 and 780 watts for core 15.
So we have to pay higher Watt cost for lower PPD or Credits.

bill1024
What about all those work units I did for 25 points and folded a WU for 7 days to get a few hundred points.
How is it fair to me, you can do one WU and get 300,000 points?

That is on Rig that has 3 GTX 680 Card installed, Not One Card.
The 300,000 PPD are the total of 3 cards folding 24 hours.
And I know you know that I have 3 GTX 690's Folding on one rig that cost me almost 6 Grand.
What is not fair for you, I do not see where it is unfair to you.
When did you only get 25 PPD for 7 days?, was this folding 7x24?
What is your Hardware that you are Folding on?
Are you Folding 7x24 on any of your rigs?
 
 

I started folding in 2009, crunching 2008....
 
The statement I made is where I am with the program now. I can no longer afford to keep the pace Stanford has created for the bonus point and the BETA's. Nothing wrong with them, I simply cannot maintain any more.
 
There are actually many more causes that I have control over my system with in crunching. My equipment lasts longer and I like the environment.
 
I tip my hat to those that will continue to fold and I will support them when they come calling. For me... I will be happy giving back in a different way and know what my machines are working on at any given time. Vs. the luck of the draw with folding. 

BTW its not just death to the ankle biters SR2 will die as well.
Never heard anyone call a SR2 a ankle biter. lol

TheWolf
BTW its not just death to the ankle biters SR2 will die as well.
Never heard anyone call a SR2 a ankle biter. lol

Toe Nail Clipper?

Less talking and more folding and crunching WU slaves! 

clo007
 
OMG, people are way too sensitive right now. Really?! Name calling by saying turd??? [facepalm]

... and this is why emoticons were invented.  If you had used an appropriate one, your intent would have been obvious.  Posts without emoticons are interpreted as serious.

[H]'s production dropped because they had a number of guests, now gone, helping in their assault on Default, and because several of their largest producers moved all their systems to WCG for the Christmas Challenge starting December 1.  We'll have to wait until after the Christmas Challenge ends to see if there is a pattern emerging.

Yea I started crunching again but didn't make any changes to the rigs from the way they were set.
Looking at stats I don't think I'm crunching under the correct project to help with any challenges.
Well I did make some changes but don't think I picked the right projects or something.
I have no GPU's crunching at the moment only CPU crunching.

bill1024
  
How about when 1 wu was worth 1 point, no matter how long it took to fold.
It makes all the points we folded years ago worthless pretty much.
Do you understand this point?
 

Methinks you are missing the point of folding with that statement..
The wu's that you (and I for that matter) folded years ago for a miniscule amount of "points" were just as valid in their importance for the science being done then as the 300k monsters being done today.