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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/25 19:30:39 (permalink)
    So, basically the same as the 900 series.

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/25 19:34:33 (permalink)
    If you look at the graphs that Jay shows and the ones by gamers nexus the GPU frequency is going Haywire bouncing up and down.  At first its getting Power Limit Throttled but then when it heats up to 82c it starts to Thermal Throttle.
     
      Jay shows that you have to up the Temp Limit to 92c and raise the fan speed to 80% and once you do that the Frequency finally smooths out.
     
      That jutter is really bad for gaming.
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/25 19:40:12 (permalink)
    I found his methodology a little flawed. While I understand the initial test was conducted with stock settings, I found it curious that he didn't try to up the fan speed before messing with the power and temp target. From his initial test it was clear that the fan profile was of, as it never climbed above 55% fanspeed so that would have been the first place I would have made changes given the problem was thermal throttling. It shakes out the same in the end, but perhaps Nvidia needs to adjust the fan profile to be a little more aggressive so thermal throttling is a non issue at stock speeds.
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/25 19:50:23 (permalink)
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    I found his methodology a little flawed. While I understand the initial test was conducted with stock settings, I found it curious that he didn't try to up the fan speed before messing with the power and temp target. From his initial test it was clear that the fan profile was of, as it never climbed above 55% fanspeed so that would have been the first place I would have made changes given the problem was thermal throttling. It shakes out the same in the end, but perhaps Nvidia needs to adjust the fan profile to be a little more aggressive so thermal throttling is a non issue at stock speeds.


    That's correct. As I pointed out, this is essentially the same as the 900 series. Nvidia intentionally biases the operation toward less noise. That the fan was only at 55% indicates there is quite a bit of headroom. As FCAT tests have proven time and time again, the minor fluctuations in clock speed do not show up in any tests that measure frame time variance. I understand people disagree with Nvidia's philosophy on this. But the angst over this is out of proportion. The solution is as always: use AB or Precision to set your own preference or mod the BIOS.
    As an aside, the GTX 980Ti likes to throttle a step at ~67C even with a modified BIOS with the power target at 120% and the temp limit at 95C
    Second aside....he may have decided to use the power and temp method because the power draw of the fan is included in the total power usage for both GPU Boost 2.0 and 3.0.
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/25 20:04:26 (permalink)
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    As an aside, the GTX 980Ti likes to throttle a step at ~67C even with a modified BIOS with the power target at 120% and the temp limit at 95C




    I suspect my 780 Ti have similar inclinations. It really can't decide what boost speed and voltage it prefers when put under extended load.
     
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    Second aside....he may have decided to use the power and temp method because the power draw of the fan is included in the total power usage for both GPU Boost 2.0 and 3.0.
     

     
    Didn't know that was the case, even so it would have been better if he had tested with just increased fan speed as well, just to see if that would have been suffieicent to avoid the thottling. I still think it comes back to Nvidia needing to change the fan profile a bit, it's not okay that a stock card thermal throttles all the way to non-boost speeds when there is so much headroom.
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/26 01:55:18 (permalink)
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    As an aside, the GTX 980Ti likes to throttle a step at ~67C even with a modified BIOS with the power target at 120% and the temp limit at 95C

    My titan x's don't throttle at all when they hit 68c. I'm running my own custom made vbios.
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/26 05:36:14 (permalink)
    Hopefully EVGA will show Nvidia how to do things.

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/26 08:07:35 (permalink)
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    As an aside, the GTX 980Ti likes to throttle a step at ~67C even with a modified BIOS with the power target at 120% and the temp limit at 95C

    My titan x's don't throttle at all when they hit 68c. I'm running my own custom made vbios.
    I know, you can down load them.

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 00:59:45 (permalink)
    Got my EK waterblocks coming from Performance-PC already bye bye warranty
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 03:44:59 (permalink)
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    Got my EK waterblocks coming from Performance-PC already bye bye warranty

    Well you obviously haven't read their warranty
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 04:15:30 (permalink)
    Why do you say that is the warranty still intact if I switch to a waterblock? This is MSI I"M getting sorry EVGA just getting what I hope is available
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:09:35 (permalink)
    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


     
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:19:29 (permalink)
    Thermal AND Power limiting. FE = FTL
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:20:13 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
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    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:22:07 (permalink)
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    Thermal AND Power limiting. FE = FTL


    Yes, they are designed to do this. Can we stop with the spamming every thread with the obvious?

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:26:42 (permalink)
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    Thermal AND Power limiting. FE = FTL


    Yes, they are designed to do this. Can we stop with the spamming every thread with the obvious?




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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:29:58 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.


     
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:34:03 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.




     
    No, when I asked MSI about removing the cooler on my 980TI and breaking that tiny little warranty sticker, my warranty became null and void. I spoke with them face to face at a LAN party about it
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:37:49 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.




     
    No, when I asked MSI about removing the cooler on my 980TI and breaking that tiny little warranty sticker, my warranty became null and void. I spoke with them face to face at a LAN party about it


    I am sure you spoke to all of service reps as well.


     
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:42:19 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.


    EGVA is fine with it as long as you return it to it's stock condition. EVGA expressly states you can. MSI, you might get away with it, but they can refuse to honor the warranty.

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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:43:33 (permalink)
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    I am sure you spoke to all of service reps as well.




     
    Oh your funny. 
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:44:49 (permalink)
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    Thermal AND Power limiting. FE = FTL


    Yes, they are designed to do this. Can we stop with the spamming every thread with the obvious?




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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:46:17 (permalink)
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    I am sure you spoke to all of service reps as well.




     
    Oh your funny. 


    Look, no offense, but you ask a rep in public of course he/she is going to go by the company's stated policy. 


     
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:48:00 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.


    EGVA is fine with it as long as you return it to it's stock condition. EVGA expressly states you can. MSI, you might get away with it, but they can refuse to honor the warranty.


    True, but we have had very good experience with MSI support. They have never denied warranty coverage for the several GPUs that we blew because of our own stupidity.


     
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    Re: JayzTwoCents asks Does the GTX1080 have Thermal Throttling Issues? 2016/05/27 09:51:31 (permalink)
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    Both MSI and EVGA are okay if you take the cooler off and install waterblocks. When you RMA just put the original coolers back on. They are both serial number based so no need for invoice either (2nd hand owner).


    Modifying the GPU with non MSI parts is not covered.
     
    https://us.msi.com/page/warranty

    The following circumstances excluded from warranty coverage

     
     
    3. Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts, modifications or alterations , parts removal in or to the products


    Friend had a waterblock on a R9 290 and later RMA it by putting the original cooler back on. I think even EVGA has expressively stated the same as MSI, but both companies are quite lenient with the fact people remove original coolers and put waterblocks on.


    EGVA is fine with it as long as you return it to it's stock condition. EVGA expressly states you can. MSI, you might get away with it, but they can refuse to honor the warranty.


    True, but we have had very good experience with MSI support. They have never denied warranty coverage for the several GPUs that we blew because of our own stupidity.



    Okay, but you just admitted it isn't covered by warranty. And 'blowing up a GPU' isn't the same thing as doing a physical modification. You can usually get away with 'blowing up a GPU' because you can claim it just failed, even if you did something stupid the same as for CPU's.

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