On ambient my KPE is boosting to 2140 game stable. 2160 is iffy. I need to optimize my cpu/ram for benching but needless to say 20,1xx timespy was with a mce enabled 10900k on auto clock was the first run I got. Anyone whos saying 20% gain in 80 to 90 is playing a handful of games where you see a benefit of 80 vs 90. The reality is 1-5 fps 90% of the time, depending on resolution (ie. 3440x1440) it can actually be slower then the 80 at max fps and 1-4 in avg). The 90 is not for gaming, doesn't hurt to have common sense along with pockets. Even more so if you don't have those pockets with a comfort level. With the looming 3080ti , it's probably the card to get for the best gaming card.  I think anyone who's modding their 3090s, flashing other bios etc are not going to find the KPE that impressive. The main reason for the card is to get all the power you need without modding. However, these days 80% of the kpe buyers don't need that power limit or have a justifiable reason to pay the extra for a kpe. There is no gaming benefit only a mod less, and off ambient benefit.  

alexaqui
For the higher overclocks, what kind of power levels are required to get there?  My out of the box FE is doing 1965mhz steady with 0 tweaking.  I'm wondering if the KP is a worthy upgrade (I'm keeping the FE regardless) based on this discussion.

That's extremely uncommon. I would hit power limit and it would be reduced to around 1900 and I had 3 3090 FEs.

Well if Vince himself says so then They are binned. Can you just CROP the section of that email and upload here ? So everyone can benefit and it will be proven.

Hey
 
are you doing OC method
 
Adding +100 ?
 
Making custom voltage lock VF OC method ?
 
Second method u can lock 2175 i think with proper voltage. Just need to find urs. My lottery bin FTW3 3080 can do 2295 at 1.075mV ( 2310 aswell but need 525W bios)

Attached.

LVNeptune

stryker7314

USMC1419
I'm soooo on the fence about the KPE. Seeing these negative posts makes me think just keep my FTW3 Ultra Hybrid. If it wasn't for the board power limit thing I wouldn't even consider the upgrade, and it seems the XC3 BIOS somewhat fixes this but as I said before I'm not comfortable daily driving it that way (yet). 
 
Side note: The pump noise on this FTW3 is also way louder than my 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid was, and the RBG header pin #2 is broken and the fan RGB wont work right. Fantastic.

Which XC3 Bios, is there only one cause I only found one in the techpowerup verified bios collection, are you using and how much power does it allow you to draw? I have a 3090 FTW3 Ultra and I'm using the KP 520w bios currently but if the XC3 does better I need to go try it!

Where would I go to get the 520W bios or is that the same as the "LN2" bios on the card?

That's the LN2 BIOS. 
 
Edit: There is another one for 1000w, but as far as I can tell, only 2 people here have been able to get a hold of it. Not sure if others have tried. 

You can literally email Vince yourself. Neither I nor my friend would have any reason to make this up.

Zeddivile

LVNeptune
You can literally email Vince yourself. Neither I nor my friend would have any reason to make this up.

My point is that is not official marketing.

Agreed. To be honest, I'm tired of seeing "Power Limit" for throttling in GPU-Z which is why I bought this. I don't even care about overclocking beyond just getting 2050 stable, with no power limit. Every single card I have gets limited unless I undervolt. I have been through so many cards, several FE's, FTW3's, FTW3 Ultra Hyrbids. The FTW3 Ultra Hybrids have no business being 240mm. All of them should've been 360mm.

Zeddivile
@LVNEptune
 
You will most likely continue to see the "power limit" wall until you get the actual LN2 bios from Vince.  This is how it was for me with the 2080 ti KPE and the 1080 TI KPE

Are you talking about the PL-removed BIOS? The LN2 bios that's built-in has a 520W cap.

Zeddivile
IMO the shipping LN2 bios is not the proper bios and is just some silly bios like the FTW III XOC Beta bios.
 
Vince in an email explained to me the following...  In order to gain access to the proper LN2 bios you need to provide your KPE serial # and some other personal info as well as agree to some type of NDA.  The process can be started just like Sajin mentioned by emailing Vince.  He also mentioned for w/e reason that the bios will be locked to serialized hardware and cannot be used on other vendors cards.  Not sure if he thought that was my intention or just copy paste legal mumbo jumbo... 
 
That being said. Most should never need the above mentioned bios.  I personally need it because I compete in XOC comps and session LN2 weekly.  Certainly would not be necessary for gaming.

 
Not concerned about the NDA part. I was told you void your warranty by using it. Is that true?

LVNeptune
Vince emailed a friend and said they were binned. If they aren't, this is seriously false advertising. Mine arrives today.

If wafer production in general is bad, binning won't do a thing. And Samsung 10++node is not a good one.


Would like to see Ampere architecture on TSMC 7nano node.

You would not hit PT limit with a good proper VF tuning and OC in KP's If you set +100 core or +100 voltage slider like a amateur ofc you hit PT and fail.
 
Do voltage lock method and start with 1.062mV  
 
Mine fails to pass 2160 HOLD with amateur method but with VF OC tuning, I broke AIR Core HOLD record. Just spent time with VF tuning guys.

Zeddivile
Yes this has been a thing for multi generation of KPE.  Last gen the password to extract the bios from compression container was something like "IpromisenottoRMA"
I have always just respected this. Never questioned...

Not a 3090 owner, but that's a pretty funny password.

kris1111
I can only confirm that my Kingpin can't reach 2175mhz. On top of that, memory on my FTW3 Ultra could go to 1400, on the Kingpin, I hit a wall at 1100.  Very disappointed with this card. Don't waste your money with this gen of KP cards guys

 
That is bad. This chip of Kingpin is not specially selected.

they dont have a good supply of cards to actually bin. thats part of the problem and something that vince actually referenced to in that email. If they were actually testing batches of 1000 cards and taking the top 10%, THEN it would be a proper bin. As it stands, the binning standard is quite low
 
In the end the 10% premium is worth it. If it was something like $2,500 then heck no but they put a relatively small premium on the card
Evga has the FTW locked down well. The 70w difference in bios does make up most of the difference in the cards.
Even comparing the 500w bios to the 520w bios, you will find something very interesting. The max memory power allowance is actually lower on the 520w bios. Evga probably did this to shift more power availability to the core to make the kpe look better than it is.
If you look at the guys that have shunted their ftw3s or have successfully got the 1000w bios working, you will be disappointed in your kpe card, but the classified tool is really great and makes up a lot for the lack of proper binning 
 
has anyone with a kpe card even beat my ftw3 score for that matter? And when i say beat i mean above freezing not some exotic cooling solution
 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/736189
 
this might put things into perspective regarding kpe bin