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2020/09/17 15:06:12
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Got my EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra this morning after an all nighter at Microcenter with a many other brave souls. Really love the look of the card after seeing it in person. The red accents really aren't bad looking TBH and the card is phenomenal but hte power limit at 325w is not good IMO. The card should be allowed 375w for the 2 8pin and PCIE 75w limit. EVGA are we going to see a PWL increase like past launches? According to GPUZ it's actually 366w max but I didn't see the card hitting that high under 4K extreme loads. Will go test again.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/17 15:11:01
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gaubry Got my EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra this morning after an all nighter at Microcenter with a many other brave souls. Really love the look of the card after seeing it in person. The red accents really aren't bad looking TBH and the card is phenomenal but hte power limit at 325w is not good IMO. The card should be allowed 375w for the 2 8pin and PCIE 75w limit. EVGA are we going to see a PWL increase like past launches?
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I sided with Moore's Law is Dead on youtube, and didn't even join the bustle this morning. I have to wait for when these things get restocked, even if they are going to be worse quality than the ones on launch. However, there is going to be a 3080 with 20GB of VRAM that will be going for 1000 when it comes out sometime over the next month. Maybe that will be the one to go for. If it really does come out, I would feel sorry for the people buying the 3090 for 1600-1700 that has only 4GB more of VRAM, compared to the 1000 for a new 3080 with 20 GB of VRAM. This whole launch is just a giant F you to the cutomer in my opinion... I'm really leaning towards AMD now. The whole point of this launch is to get more money out of the cards and inflate prices for when they decide to release more stock. That was the only point of this launch. They were not trying to sell these things to everybody, they were trying to cultivate a frenzy and they succeeded.
TL;DR Wait Until October for when the 20 GB and 16GB cards come out, NVidia is purposefully releasing low numbers of stock to artificially inflate the price via AIB manufacturers over the coming month and a half to increase margins. This is artificial scarcity, and stocks will magically reappear around AMD's launch.
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2020/09/17 15:48:01
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ThirteenEra Someone discovered that Nvidia's FE page was never meant to actually sell items. See here: https://twitter.com/romulof/status/1306600684616183808 This all confirms the findings of Moore's Law Is Dead guy from youtube. He predicted and explained all this **** some weeks ago. Nvidia is doing this on purpose.
Nvidia later admitted that they had problems early so the cards didn't get listed until later. I know some people got cards hours after the planned launch was supposed to take place. I'd given up by then because they said "OOS".
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2020/09/17 16:34:35
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gaubry Got my EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra this morning after an all nighter at Microcenter with a many other brave souls.
Can you check on the thickness? Based on an earlier post it should be 1.78in. - 45.1mm.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/17 17:11:29
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- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people. Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/17 17:19:22
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- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people.
Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
EVGA, from what I saw, had the best launch in terms of availability. Took them about 20-25 minutes to sell out once they actually got the stock implemented in the web shop (going based on Jacob's tweets). All the others sold out in seconds to minutes.
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2020/09/17 18:57:43
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Two things: 1) Captcha can be done invisibly, google reCaptcha v3 is a friction-less captcha that you would never even know is running, ya'll have no idea what systems are in place to limit scripts from harvesting the whole crop of cards. 2) Gat-damn ya'll are whiny, I'm about to open a BevMo stocked with all the Whine up in here! Yeah it sucks for all of us who didn't get the shiny thing this morning, but it's not like it's never coming back, nor is it something you'll just die if you don't have it. Be glad you have the money to buy a $700 video card in the middle of a recession. Hell, be glad you ain't dead in the middle of a pandemic. I need Anton Ego over here to serve ya'll a hot steaming plate of perspective. Harassing the hell out of people no different from you or me who are doing their best to get you the new toy you so desperately want, I'm shocked EVGA hasn't just locked the forum down by now. Grow. Up. ps. Respect to the EVGA team, especially the front-facing folks, for doing their best, Jacob was honest about the issues going on, the efforts to fix them, and kept people aprised of the stock level in realtime. I haven't seen that level of customer support from any of the other retailers or makers especially how tone-deaf nvidia has been about all this. There's a reason I've bought EVGA for the last decade and will continue to do so.
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2020/09/17 20:24:28
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- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people.
Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
Alternative hypothesis: The actors running the bots are EVGA and Nvidia themselves who are both reaping windfall profit and simultaneously stoking demand. Think about it. Whenever someone claims incompetence always consider the possibility that it's not incompetence but foul play / inside job. Fuel to the fire: I've yet to read a single post here or at r/nvidia or overclock.net of anyone successfully buying a single 3080. Who bought them? How is it that not a single member of this forum bought a single unit from EVGA today?
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2020/09/17 20:41:48
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carterhawk Two things: 1) Captcha can be done invisibly, google reCaptcha v3 is a friction-less captcha that you would never even know is running, ya'll have no idea what systems are in place to limit scripts from harvesting the whole crop of cards. 2) Gat-damn ya'll are whiny, I'm about to open a BevMo stocked with all the Whine up in here! Yeah it sucks for all of us who didn't get the shiny thing this morning, but it's not like it's never coming back, nor is it something you'll just die if you don't have it. Be glad you have the money to buy a $700 video card in the middle of a recession. Hell, be glad you ain't dead in the middle of a pandemic. I need Anton Ego over here to serve ya'll a hot steaming plate of perspective. Harassing the hell out of people no different from you or me who are doing their best to get you the new toy you so desperately want, I'm shocked EVGA hasn't just locked the forum down by now. Grow. Up. ps. Respect to the EVGA team, especially the front-facing folks, for doing their best, Jacob was honest about the issues going on, the efforts to fix them, and kept people aprised of the stock level in realtime. I haven't seen that level of customer support from any of the other retailers or makers especially how tone-deaf nvidia has been about all this. There's a reason I've bought EVGA for the last decade and will continue to do so.
that is such a peasant mentality. No, i'm not going to be "glad" that a company EITHER purposely created false scarcity to suck up to investors and show them how fast they sold out, or are just incapable of running their show. No, i'm not going to be "glad" that i have the money to buy the card, it's called smart saving! No, i'm not going to be "glad" to not be ded from the virus, because i expect JUST a little more from life than to....idk, BE ALIVE! While i don't blame EVGA per se for the low stock, i'm sure it's because of NVidia, i do blame EVGA for the 0 transparency on the issue. Hell, asaik, we STILL don't know when's the FTW3 coming out....which we COULD know......we could also know how much there is instock.....all of which we don't know because EVGA chooses not to tell us. So i do 100% blame them for this *REMOVED LANGUAGE* show. Follow the TOS or lose the ability to post here. Afterburner
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2020/09/17 20:44:15
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- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people.
Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
EVGA, from what I saw, had the best launch in terms of availability. Took them about 20-25 minutes to sell out once they actually got the stock implemented in the web shop (going based on Jacob's tweets). All the others sold out in seconds to minutes.
That's a half truth. While we "Saw" an availability 20-25 minutes after launch, very few humans were able to complete those purchases. The bot's DDOS the site to kick buyers out of the shopping carts so they could snag next spots in line. Happened to me 3 times before finally showing sold out. While one could argue that hey maybe just the flood of people made the site crash there just seems to be a LOT more people kicked out of their shopping cart than people who actually completed a purchase. Also the people who did actually complete orders had to copy and paste their address bars into various browers to regain their cart which sounds like something a script could do.
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2020/09/17 22:33:36
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EVGATech_LeeM
- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people.
Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
Alternative hypothesis: The actors running the bots are EVGA and Nvidia themselves who are both reaping windfall profit and simultaneously stoking demand. Think about it. Whenever someone claims incompetence always consider the possibility that it's not incompetence but foul play / inside job. Fuel to the fire: I've yet to read a single post here or at r/nvidia or overclock.net of anyone successfully buying a single 3080. Who bought them? How is it that not a single member of this forum bought a single unit from EVGA today?
Hanlon's razor applies here.
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2020/09/17 23:55:26
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Bots and low supply. CEO knew there was low supply and it wouldn't look good for investors so he decides to lie to create hype in Wall Street. Dumb people in Wall Street think "OMG sold out buy buy buy". Yeah well duh it's going to sell out. You only had like 2 at a few stores.
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2020/09/18 00:16:17
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coding102 Bots and low supply. CEO knew there was low supply and it wouldn't look good for investors so he decides to lie to create hype in Wall Street. Dumb people in Wall Street think "OMG sold out buy buy buy". Yeah well duh it's going to sell out. You only had like 2 at a few stores.
I hate to break it to ya, but EVGA doesn't have investors, not even listed on any stock exchanges, privately held company. Wall Street's not involved with EVGA mate.
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2020/09/18 00:17:46
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coding102 Bots and low supply. CEO knew there was low supply and it wouldn't look good for investors so he decides to lie to create hype in Wall Street. Dumb people in Wall Street think "OMG sold out buy buy buy". Yeah well duh it's going to sell out. You only had like 2 at a few stores.
I hate to break it to ya, but EVGA doesn't have investors, not even listed on any stock exchanges, privately held company. Wall Street's not involved with EVGA mate.
I hate to break it to you, I'm obviously talking about Nvidia.
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2020/09/18 00:35:25
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coding102 Bots and low supply. CEO knew there was low supply and it wouldn't look good for investors so he decides to lie to create hype in Wall Street. Dumb people in Wall Street think "OMG sold out buy buy buy". Yeah well duh it's going to sell out. You only had like 2 at a few stores.
I hate to break it to ya, but EVGA doesn't have investors, not even listed on any stock exchanges, privately held company. Wall Street's not involved with EVGA mate.
I hate to break it to you, I'm obviously talking about Nvidia.
People here are acting like EVGA is in on some big conspiracy, a bunch of angry customers and no shareholders means none of this *helps* evga, i still don't understand why anyone thinks it would.
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2020/09/18 01:18:22
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- I'm not sure why people assume bots are buying cards over regular people. It was a popular reason for why 20-Series cards were always out of stock, which completely ignored literal supply and demand issues (lots of people wanted them, but there weren't many initially). Yes, there are per person quantity caps for each card. Yes, we require captcha to login, which is also required to create a profile. This should help to comfort some of you.
Now that Nvidia and Media outlets have confirmed that this happened... do you believe us now? Some of us are aware of how these things worked and warned you. You could have listened... but you thought you knew better... and now you've got tons of unhappy people.
Perhaps you guys should take a few moments and have a post-mortem on just how wrong you were, and maybe don't disregard people who work in the IT industry and are keenly aware of how these things work. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down... I'm trying to encourage you to actually do better.
EVGA, from what I saw, had the best launch in terms of availability. Took them about 20-25 minutes to sell out once they actually got the stock implemented in the web shop (going based on Jacob's tweets). All the others sold out in seconds to minutes.
That's a half truth. While we "Saw" an availability 20-25 minutes after launch, very few humans were able to complete those purchases. The bot's DDOS the site to kick buyers out of the shopping carts so they could snag next spots in line. Happened to me 3 times before finally showing sold out. While one could argue that hey maybe just the flood of people made the site crash there just seems to be a LOT more people kicked out of their shopping cart than people who actually completed a purchase. Also the people who did actually complete orders had to copy and paste their address bars into various browers to regain their cart which sounds like something a script could do.
Yeah happened to me too. I was 4 times done to the checkout page and then was kicked out by the site crashing. When i returned the fourth time, it was sold out and i was literally screaming at my monitor because it was so obvious that ddos bots would crash sites and all those scalper *REMOVED LANGUAGE* were snugging them away. Just watch that bumper site of how many there got around 20 - 30 cards and are planning to sell them expensive at ebay and so on. Follow the TOS or you will lose the ability to post here. Afterburner
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I cannot and won't say names but Greece's biggest computer store (talking more than 50 stores) managed to have a total 14 cards on launch day (all brands togetherl)... which of course was bought from warehouse employees lolol
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MikeGR7 I cannot and won't say names but Greece's biggest computer store (talking more than 50 stores) managed to have a total 14 cards on launch day (all brands togetherl)... which of course was bought from warehouse employees lolol
Yeah. There were a guy from NYC who was Nr13 in line infront of the Microcenter Store in New York. They had a total of 11 Cards. I mean what the actual *REMOVED LANGUAGE* hell. Its damn NYC. 8 Million + people living there and 11 Cards is the deal. Over here in Germany store are not selling them at all. Not Media Markt, or Saturn or Expert that are the three big electronic stores over here. Its so dumb. Follow the TOS or lose the ability to post here. Afterburner
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MikeGR7 I cannot and won't say names but Greece's biggest computer store (talking more than 50 stores) managed to have a total 14 cards on launch day (all brands togetherl)... which of course was bought from warehouse employees lolol
Yeah. There were a guy from NYC who was Nr13 in line infront of the Microcenter Store in New York. They had a total of 11 Cards. I mean what the actual *REMOVED LANGUAGE* hell. Its damn NYC. 8 Million + people living there and 11 Cards is the deal. Over here in Germany store are not selling them at all. Not Media Markt, or Saturn or Expert that are the three big electronic stores over here. Its so dumb. Follow the TOS or lose the ability to post here. Afterburner
Its not dumb, its scummy. This has been predicted before by Moore's Law Is Dead, Nvidia is doing this intentionally, they WANT to drive up scarcity, they WANT to drive up prices etc. All this "not enough stock" is intentional by Nvidia.
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uk.pcmag.com/graphic-cards/128682/how-a-bot-bought-dozens-of-rtx-3080-units-before-consumers-could-grab-them ngl, but i wish someone would just swat these ****ers......all of them
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I just want people to stop buying cards from these ****s. They'd stop if they got stuck with 30 cards.
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Jacob.jenson6 I just want people to stop buying cards from these ****s. They'd stop if they got stuck with 30 cards.
i saw a tweet yesterday of some guy who claimed he had an ebay bot that would create a fake account and bid the price really high and not pay the seller so they would have to relist it. Not sure how effective it is.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 08:37:12
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Hah! Maybe I'll look into that.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 08:58:25
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F5alcon
Jacob.jenson6 I just want people to stop buying cards from these ****s. They'd stop if they got stuck with 30 cards.
i saw a tweet yesterday of some guy who claimed he had an ebay bot that would create a fake account and bid the price really high and not pay the seller so they would have to relist it. Not sure how effective it is.
That bots already do their work by bidding prices up to 80k dollars. Problem is, if a scalper does not sell enough quickly he can return it for free and tries another time.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 09:15:56
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Gamers Nexus with the hot take on the behavior from the community: https://youtu.be/qHogHMvZscMSeriously, please take a breath and calm the angry a bit y'all.....
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 09:25:49
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 09:35:25
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It's looking like there is very little overclocking headroom in these cards, from what I've seen, the cards with 3 8 pin connectors generally have a larger power limit so there are a few gains to be had, but at the end of the day, once I get a FTW3 under water with a custom bios, I would expect lower overclocks than I would have in previous generations.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology!
2020/09/18 09:36:37
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question, is the Kingpin model the only one woth a power limit higher than 375w? i have a feeling price isnt gonna be within my original $2100 allocated, but I still want to overclock on iced water, biggest issue tend to be that power limit tho.
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