Xavier Zepherious
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6746
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/07/04 12:53:39
- Location: Medicine Hat ,Alberta, Canada
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
if you read it at Semiaccurate SemiAccurate digs out Intel’s 10nm process problemshttps://semiaccurate.com/2017/09/11/semiaccurate-digs-intels-10nm-process-problems/ the real interesting stuff is easier to find here https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k31sr/i_bought_canard_pc_there_you_go/ - They say Intel's in the most precarious time ever in its existence.
- Employees blame Krzanich as the main cause, he's impatient and eager and keeps changing/canceling projects before they get anywhere.
- Many employees/engineers got fired in recent times and they say Krzanich treats engineers (replacing them) like supermarket cashiers, many new hires are inexperienced and not getting trained well enough. The mood in the company is at an all-time low and many employees are in fear for their jobs.
- Murphy Renduchintala is said to actually be a glimmer of hope in the whole mess as since he's been brought on he's been able to focus R&D properly and actually has technical background and makes decisions that engineers are able to get behind on. Some say they're hoping he'll replace Krzanich as CEO once they hope he'll get the boot from the board.
- 10nm is suffering all kinds of problems, both technical as well as management problems. The first samples that got in apparently were extremely disappointing in performance, not to talk about yields.
- Kaby-Lake as well as Cannon-Lake were supposedly late designs just to save face and management was just hoping AMD wouldn't compete. Cannon-Lake is said to bring almost no architectural improvements.
- 10nm will sample in late 2017 but production won't happen till 2018.
- Intel has nothing concrete till 2019.
- Long-term, Intel is said to be very worried about x86 as ARM is gaining ever more. If they can't keep Apple happy in the Macbooks that would be the first sign of the decline of x86.
- Because of the above, they say that they have one CPU project which can do hybrid x86/ARM execution and they say they'll have the first prototype wafers with this within the next few months.
- There's an Intel CPU AMD GPU MCM in the works.
Intel’s next generation chip plans: Ice Lake and a slow 10nm transitionhttps://arstechnica.com/g...-slow-10nm-transition/ --------------------------------------------- so there ya go..... like i said they were caught with their pants down
post edited by Xavier Zepherious - 2017/09/14 03:20:29
|
PietroBR
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1202
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2013/09/14 06:40:52
- Location: Brazil
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 04:42:44
(permalink)
Sad to see that, Intel, being the huge company it is, can't manage first the happiness of their employes, for then start showing some new results.
For me, looks like Coffee Lake might be the last build on Intel I will be doing if they can't organize thenselves.
In a few more years, AMD's CPU will have better compatibility and performance in games (since this is my main focus) than Intel. Other than this, we might just see 14nm++++++ process or new sockets from Intel.
|
rjohnson11
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 84478
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/10/05 12:44:35
- Location: Netherlands
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 86
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 04:49:07
(permalink)
You're not really posting an article from Charlie Demerjian are you? This guy posts anti-NVIDIA and anti-Intel article every chance he gets so the article should be taken with a grain of salt. In fact his articles angered so many people that he no longer allows anyone to post comments to the articles he writes.
|
redleader00
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 906
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/26 11:02:11
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 06:47:10
(permalink)
Intel is having problems with 10nm, same as everyone else.
|
quadlatte
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5427
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/09/14 16:52:58
- Location: Greensboro, NC
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 56
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 08:19:55
(permalink)
rjohnson11
You're not really posting an article from Charlie Demerjian are you? This guy posts anti-NVIDIA and anti-Intel article every chance he gets so the article should be taken with a grain of salt. In fact his articles angered so many people that he no longer allows anyone to post comments to the articles he writes.
thats what i thought when i seen who wrote it, dude is the tech industries weekly world news tabloid, his stories have been proven false so many times that i dont know how anyone can even read a word he says
|
bcavnaugh
The Crunchinator
- Total Posts : 38516
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2012/09/18 17:31:18
- Location: USA Affiliate E5L3CTGE12 Associate 9E88QK5L7811G3H
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 282
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 09:23:25
(permalink)
Looks like Intel is headed down the same road map as Microsoft, or maybe Microsoft has forced Intel down this Road Map.
|
Xavier Zepherious
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6746
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/07/04 12:53:39
- Location: Medicine Hat ,Alberta, Canada
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 09:27:48
(permalink)
the information from canard PC is accurate - because they interviewed ex-Intel and working intel employees for the story. although none would go officially on record for fear of reprisal as for Semiaccurate why do you not think I included the extra stories in for add credence to the story Intel dropped the ball...TSMC and Samsung will surpass Intel if they don't get a handle on it A bad CEO can do wonders to destroy a good company...intel needs new leadership TSMC 7nm is equivalent to 10nm Intel or very close to which is why ARM is a threat to intel under 7nm Finfet
post edited by Xavier Zepherious - 2017/09/14 09:36:50
|
rjohnson11
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 84478
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/10/05 12:44:35
- Location: Netherlands
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 86
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/14 10:53:15
(permalink)
Xavier Zepherious
the information from canard PC is accurate - because they interviewed ex-Intel and working intel employees for the story. although none would go officially on record for fear of reprisal
as for Semiaccurate why do you not think I included the extra stories in for add credence to the story
Intel dropped the ball...TSMC and Samsung will surpass Intel if they don't get a handle on it
A bad CEO can do wonders to destroy a good company...intel needs new leadership
TSMC 7nm is equivalent to 10nm Intel or very close to
which is why ARM is a threat to intel under 7nm Finfet
Samsung will also be at 7nm soon
|
QuintLeo
SSC Member
- Total Posts : 946
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2016/04/16 23:05:09
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 3
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/16 03:18:47
(permalink)
Xavier Zepherious
- They say Intel's in the most precarious time ever in its existence
- Many employees/engineers got fired in recent times and they say Krzanich treats engineers (replacing them) like supermarket cashiers, many new hires are inexperienced and not getting trained well enough. The mood in the company is at an all-time low and many employees are in fear for their jobs.
- There's an Intel CPU AMD GPU MCM in the works.
They were WORSE off when Zilog started selling the Z80 - the only thing that saved Intel at THAT point was IBM deciding to use the 8088 in the IBM PC. Some of the same "engineers getting fired" or in more cases QUIT were what resulted in Zilog existing in the first place. They took significant hits from the original Athlon and the Athlon64 - they should EXPECT AMD to come up with something good every so often. Ryzen is NOT in the position of dominance (yet) that the Athlon64 was in - Intel had NO ANSWER AT ALL to that for almost 3 years, Ryzen they're still leading just by a very narrow margin. Intel GPU. Yawn. Intel has NEVER been a significant factor in GPUS, there have been times they didn't even crack the top *5* in graphic performance by a company (right now the only reason they MIGHT be in the top 5 is that there aren't many graphic companies LEFT). The transition to 10nm (much less the 7nm others have announced) is looking to be a slow one - and the next node after that is looking to be a nightmare for EVERYONE. Also keep in mind that what a lot of folks are CALLING "7nm" is probably very very close to what Intel is calling "10nm", based on a LOT of rumblings out of the industry.
Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding. I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again. 
|
lehpron
Regular Guy
- Total Posts : 8858
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/05/18 15:22:06
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 191
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/16 12:26:03
(permalink)
Even semiaccurate rehashes their own articles, I've seen those points made before. https://semiaccurate.com/...-intels-10nm-problems/Even if those talking points of Intel were accurate (no pun intended), it's old news, I doubt those attitudes are still there now. 10nm is late, so much that Skylake is being refreshed twice as Kaby and Coffee. The only reason Coffee is coming, if you think about it, is that there is no room in nomenclature series to put a 6-core into mainstream if 7700K and 7740K is top end quad, because 7800 is in HEDT. It would have introduced a confusing overlap, so they introduce a new number sequence with it's own codename and gives them the opportunity to sell another chipset. Cannon should have been the 7-series after 6-series Sky, per early Client Group roadmaps with no delays. Add my theory that Intel would have wanted to consolidate all unlocked to one platform while locking out Client, 6700K should have been the last unlocked SKU for the Z-chipset, if they didn't retire Z for just the H-series while putting all unlocked quads on up into X299. They could all been called Core i7 if AMD never came back. Furthermore and getting back to topic, the next lean x86 architecture is also delayed (possibly due to starting late, i.e. right after AMD revealed Zen in May 2015), which is why Cannonlake has a pair of refreshes at 10nm called Ice and Tiger-- I'm not dumb, those are both still lake architectures. It's after Tiger we see something new, which I why I recommend no one upgrade to any Lake processor unless you already have one. It'll be worth the wait, it's going to be like Core 2 again. How do I know? Intel needs a wide berth from Zen and all iterations to allow the refresh cycle to start again, that's what Core (80% over Netburst), Nehalem (25% over Core) and Sandy Bridge (17% over Nehalem) gave Intel against AMD last time. AMD took 5 years to come back, Intel wants that again. This time they will try for an extreme boost like well over 50% IPC off of Skylake, I'm thinking 70%. It will allow running lower frequencies and better binning with lower power, and still be better than last gen. I'd like to think AMD isn't sitting on their hands, even they said Zen would last four years, that gives Intel at least 1-2 years of dominance with their new arch; after that they better have something, but without Jim Keller, I don't know. I figure Intel is betting a Bulldozer 2.0 will come after Zen in order to have their refresh rebrand cycle throughout the 2020's.
|
XrayMan
Insert Custom Title Here
- Total Posts : 63846
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/12/14 22:10:06
- Location: Santa Clarita, Ca.
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 115
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/16 23:29:48
(permalink)
I don't believe it. Bad review/reviewer.
My Affiliate Code: 8WEQVXMCJL Associate Code: VHKH33QN4W77V6A   
|
Tuxedo.
New Member
- Total Posts : 83
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2016/03/26 11:59:08
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 2
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/16 23:42:14
(permalink)
|
seth89
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 4420
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/11/13 11:26:18
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 14
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/17 06:30:52
(permalink)
XrayMan
I don't believe it. Bad review/reviewer.
I don't believe it either. If AMD is doing 7nm next year then intel can do 10.
|
Xavier Zepherious
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6746
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/07/04 12:53:39
- Location: Medicine Hat ,Alberta, Canada
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/18 10:51:03
(permalink)
|
fearpoint
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 2966
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/12/16 21:53:57
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 3
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/18 12:41:14
(permalink)
Sell sell sell!!
INTEL IS DOOMED!!!
|
rjohnson11
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 84478
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/10/05 12:44:35
- Location: Netherlands
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 86
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/18 13:02:39
(permalink)
Intel it seems may indeed have run into issues so their temp solution is adding more cores onto existing framework.
|
XrayMan
Insert Custom Title Here
- Total Posts : 63846
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/12/14 22:10:06
- Location: Santa Clarita, Ca.
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 115
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/18 19:17:50
(permalink)
fearpoint
Sell sell sell!!
INTEL IS DOOMED!!!
Yea right! LOL. 
My Affiliate Code: 8WEQVXMCJL Associate Code: VHKH33QN4W77V6A  
|
lehpron
Regular Guy
- Total Posts : 8858
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2006/05/18 15:22:06
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 191
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/19 09:34:38
(permalink)
If we look up older articles on Cannonlake, it was original due in 2016; back then Kaby, Coffee, Ice and Tiger didn't exist. But with 10nm delayed to 2018, to keep from losing shareholder/investors from appearing unproductive, they refreshed Skylake twice with new codenames and series so they can still sell Skylake while they wait for 10nm. But yeah, Intel isn't doomed, because they ought to be working on a new lean x86 architecture in the background to really respond to Zen. But that new architecture will take a while, hence stretching 10nm out with Ice Lake and Tiger Lake.
|
rjohnson11
EVGA Forum Moderator
- Total Posts : 84478
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2004/10/05 12:44:35
- Location: Netherlands
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 86
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/19 11:28:09
(permalink)
TSMC and Samsung will both have 7nm soon. Intel will eventually have this as well but they are having troubles with the transition based on current rumors.
|
Xavier Zepherious
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6746
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/07/04 12:53:39
- Location: Medicine Hat ,Alberta, Canada
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/19 12:31:32
(permalink)
Intel Displays 10nm Cannon Lake Wafer, First Signs Of PCIe 4.0, $1 Billion AI Investment http://www.tomshardware.c...-wafer,news-56785.html Intel also displayed a 10nm wafer with ARM Cortex-A75 CPU cores that the company claims can perform in excess of 3GHz.
post edited by Xavier Zepherious - 2017/09/19 12:33:40
|
Xavier Zepherious
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 6746
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/07/04 12:53:39
- Location: Medicine Hat ,Alberta, Canada
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Intel has issues with 10nm
2017/09/20 10:09:23
(permalink)
as proof intel still has issues Intel Delays 10nm Cannon Lake CPUs To End Of 2018 http://wccftech.com/intel-delays-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-end-2018/ Digitimes reports that the delay has impacted the plans of OEM vendors, who are now even considering skipping Cannon Lake entirely in favor of its successor, Ice Lake. Which is said to be available soon after Cannon Lake launches.
|