I'm also not seeing any mention of performance loss in Wolfenstein: Young Blood at maximum settings ("Mein Leben") with the RTX 3080 by any publication I've read. All are reporting huge FPS numbers compared to previous gen cards (90FPS average as a minimum without DLSS and RT enabled, much higher with DLSS on) at 4K.

Seems you're an isolated case.

A game allocating RAM does not mean that the game is using all of said allocation.

Shikhee
A game allocating RAM does not mean that the game is using all of said allocation.

Again, because this seems really difficult to grasp for some people: when I hit 9.8 GB's or over in 3 different games, there is massive FPS loss and stuttering. Keeping it under that number, everything runs fine. This is 100% reproduceable. Another person admits to starting off Grand Theft Auto V at a bit above 9 GB's at 4k max settings. Do you understand? This isn't that hard or confusing.


You can test and see for yourself.

lantern48

Wallzii

Uneducated opinion? Sorry, but I'm citing multiple independent 3rd-party reviews which report zero of the issues you're speaking of. Those aren't opinions, those are facts, and your inability to accept that doesn't change anything.

Looks like you need to take your own advice and do your own research.

Show me where your sources are exceeding V-RAM and not having terrible performance loss. 


 
Go ahead. I'll wait, but I won't hold my breath for something you can't do.

None of the independent reviews are reporting any performance issues at maximum settings at 4K. Are you claiming that your machine running at the same settings and resolution somehow consumes more VRAM than these independent tests?

Additionally, if your testing methodology is so definitive in determining that your performance loss is due explicitly to VRAM usage, how are you measuring your actual USAGE (not allocation)? This is a widely documented fact that allocation does not equal actual usage, and different developers use different allocation methods for their games.

Do you care to elaborate further on why anyone should believe you over multiple independent sources that do not experience the same problem?

ghastlyone
By the way, I've had Black Ops 3 "use" (allocate) all 11gb of VRAM on my 1080 Ti.  I've yet to see a "catastrophic loss in performance" on that title.

*sigh*


So you're stating that when you ACTUALLY exceed V-RAM usage, there is no performance loss? That everything is fine?
Do you have a 3080 to test any of the 3 games I'm stating exceed V-RAM and can 100% reproduce? That's rhetorical. No, you don't. Just more opinions instead of actually testing.
 
I think I can have 200 FPS in Control at 4k, but I don't have the game and can't test. <---------- Amazing opinion. You should believe it without question.
 
 

MatthewAMEL
Fairly easy to point out that both Nvidia and AMD’s top consumer gaming cards are coming with 10+ vram. Just to check a box?

 
My 1080Ti has never needed even 8gb of vram. The "box was checked" but the vram was never used. The games I want to play are crushing my old 1080Ti, but the vram buffer? -Nope. 

bloodshot45

ghastlyone
By the way, I've had Black Ops 3 "use" (allocate) all 11gb of VRAM on my 1080 Ti.  I've yet to see a "catastrophic loss in performance" on that title.

Exactly and no game developer is stupid enough to cause "catastrophic loss in performance" on purpose for users that have 10GB of VRAM or less. Game companies are smart enough to know the main target audience will be those that have less VRAM NOT more. I've yet to run into 1 steam game where my 3080 FTW3 Ultra has major performance issues due to having only 10GB of VRAM.
 
There is also a reason 3080's are being distributed far more than 3090's and that is price so clearly the best business decision is to target a 3080 NOT a 3090.
 
But yes, stop feeding the "troll". The "troll" is clearly having buyers remorse and is now trying to make himself feel better for spending 2x the price for a few extra FPS in gaming.

All anyone has to do is a take a glance at the Steam hardware stats. 8gb of VRAM is currently the most popular amount of memory used for GPUs, followed by 6gb cards and then 4gb after that.
 
People using 11gb cards (2080ti and 1080ti users) make up only 4% of the gaming population.
 
Seriously, game developers know how to develop their games based on the hardware being used in the population.

Can someone clarify to me that what GPU-Z reports as "memory usage" is actually memory allocated?

notarjy
 
 
I am attempting this now.

Great.
 

notarjyI see that over time I am now at around 8.3gb used, so it has gone up.

Thanks for verifying it functions as I claimed.
 

notarjyCan you suggest specific areas to go where I can push this further? 

I do think it's a bit odd that you're saying you have everything maxed at 4k and are only showing usage in the 8GB range. But yeah, as said earlier pick a fast car and drive full speed going up a road on a very grassy hill. That will jump up your V-RAM usage. It is 100% reproduceable.
 
I'm interested to see what your results are.

z1nonly

MatthewAMEL
Fairly easy to point out that both Nvidia and AMD’s top consumer gaming cards are coming with 10+ vram. Just to check a box?

 
My 1080Ti has never needed even 8gb of vram. The "box was checked" but the vram was never used. The games I want to play are crushing my old 1080Ti, but the vram buffer? -Nope. 

I think it's more important to note they are future-proofing an aspect of the card that will soon be necessary. It may be due to GPU requirements or forthcoming features like RTX-IO (DirectStorage). They are telling you 10GB is about to be behind the curve.

driving around grassy hills definitely tanks the fps. the vram usage is the highest Ive seen in free roam but still only at max around 9gb, and falling back down to 8.8gb regularly. 

Don't you get it guys? Developers will definitely blow past 10GB VRAM. They won't bother optimizing cause they'll use what's there. Never mind the fact less than 5% of PC playerbase probably have 10GB or more of VRAM. PANIC NOW SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PANIC LATER.
 
Sources: Trust me, I said so. In three examples. Go test it yourself, I know you have all the time in the world to do so. See I'm right. I'm smarter than all the independent 3rd party reviewers. They're stupid and I am right. VRAM allocation? Pshh, you don't know what you're talking about. Almost everyone in this thread is wrong and I am right. You are all just wrong wrong wrong. If I keep pointing back to my three games and how I had this problem, I am right. Despite statements from others in the thread and the one gentlemen who has been trying the GTA V example this whole time and has NOT experience a catastrophic failure.
 
/s
 
On a more serious note. I thought we got past this 10GB being not enough around launch. Around the time the 20GB rumors started coming out. I thought the consensus was we'll run out of GPU horsepower before we actually start running out of VRAM. Horribly optimized games not withstanding.
 
EDIT: Also I bought a 3090 FTW3 cause I have a spending problem. So yeah. Bad life decisions.
 

lets start over.  Posts removed for language, trolling and personal attacks.  

might as well buy a 3080 10 GB now, flip it on eBay for a scalper price, and put that toward the 20 GB version when it comes out. Then you can come back to tell us about the performance of the 20 GB version.

LinS123
Well since we're starting over. Let's start with some 3rd party numbers.
 
Overclockersclub 3080FE: https://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforce_rtx3080_founders_edition/7.htm
GTA V - Max settings, FXAA, MSAA x2
4K average - 78.81fps (Intel system) 76.82(AMD system)

There are areas in the game where you can spike V-RAM usage and get it to exceed a 3080's capacity. Notarjy didn't quite get there, but he got close. For me it was 9.84 GB's. Just because this reviewer didn't go in those areas to exceed V-RAM doesn't mean it can't happen. Again, Notarjy and the Crap One guy both got into the 9GB range. Really close to exceeding.
 

LinS123 Anandtech 2080Ti (It's got an extra GB of VRAM but the GPU is obviously less powerful): https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review/11
GTA V - "Very High" quality is used, where all primary graphics settings turned up to their highest setting, except grass, which is at its own very high setting. Meanwhile 4x MSAA is enabled for direct views and reflections. This setting also involves turning on some of the advanced rendering features - the game's long shadows, high resolution shadows, and high definition flight streaming - but not increasing the view distance any further." 4K average - 64.9fps (intel system)

This is a 2080 Ti. Not a 3080. Completely irrelevant when I'm stating 9.84 GB's is when the massive FPS loss starts and stays in the 20's until a setting is lowered on a 3080.
 
 

LinS123 Gamersnexus 3080FE: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3618-nvidia-rtx-3080-founders-edition-review-benchmarks
GTA V - 4K "custom settings"
4K average - 95.5fps (stock) 99.5fps (OC)
 
Techpowerup Wolfenstein Youngblood Performance Review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wolfenstein-youngblood-benchmark-test-performance/4.html
4K (3840x2160) Mein Leben settings
4K average - 118.9fps (2080Ti) 6294MB VRAM usage

None of the 3 games I'm citing were even tested here. Why did you even post this?
 

LinS123 Thefpsreview 3080FE review: https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/09/16/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition-review/6/
Wolfenstein Youngblood 4K (3840x2160) Mein Leben settings + Ray Tracing
4K average - 155fps (no RT) 91fps (RT On) 134fps (RT On + DLSS)

There's no showing V-RAM usage at all. There are also areas in this game where you spike V-RAM usage and exceed the 3080 capacity. I'm not even on max settings and once I hit 9.84 GB usage, the same thing that happens in Far Cry 3 and Grand Theft Auto V happens here: Drop to less than 30FPS and stays there until a setting lowers V-RAM usage lower than 9.84 GB's. The reviewer/tester may not have reached an area in the game or played long enough to cause this. They also may have and not mentioned exceeding the 10GB. There's no graph or data about V-RAM usage at all. 
 

LinS123So just a few examples essentially debunking this 10GB is not enough panic. Will it be enough down the road? Who knows, I can't tell the future. But my opinion which is based off of actual research and not anecdotal stories, it's a non issue. 

You haven't debunked anything by showing data from a 2080 Ti and no data at all showing V-RAM usage on the 3080.
 
I can give my exact settings for Far Cry 3 or Wolfenstein: Youngblood. And anyone can test for themselves to see V-RAM usage.  
But if it makes you feel more  safe and secure to pretend these games can't exceed V-RAM on a 3080, then ok. If that's what you're already predetermined to believe no matter what, so be it.