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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/07 19:50:35 (permalink)
What is the bsod code that flashes?
 
And after a completed run, you should down clock the cpu to be safe. Take first screen shot & save or upload results to FM. Then take second screen with over clocked cpu. 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/07 20:10:45 (permalink)
I Haven't Had Any BSOD's so Far, and Yes, I have done Benches before, Only to have the System Crash before I could make a Screeny, But if I keep Pushing I'm sure I'll run into a Few of My Own sooner or later.
 
Right Now I'm Concentrating on just Having Enough Power to RUN a 4-Way SLI Rig, But for now Let's get back to running Just 2-Way SLI!
 
What will Happen Next?, Who Knows!
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/07 22:52:56 (permalink)
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What is the bsod code that flashes?
 
And after a completed run, you should down clock the cpu to be safe. Take first screen shot & save or upload results to FM. Then take second screen with over clocked cpu. 




 
0x00000001E is the code. I'm thinking it's related to a high vGPU.. I'll try again tomorrow with speedstep enabled.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/07 23:31:52 (permalink)
Usually means not enough vcore...

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 06:49:49 (permalink)
Evidently, Using the New  Rosewill + Thermaltake Combo Cured the "Shut Off" Condition I was Experiencing, Although I Think I may be Close to how hard I can Push on Air Cooling.
 
 
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 08:11:26 (permalink)


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 10:53:28 (permalink)
Finally, got a really fast shot off and was able to save the result too.
 
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4949982
 

 
I'm still getting that BSOD, tried raising CPU voltage and some others as well, no effect. I'll look into it more, but for now I'm just happy I could save this lol.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 11:31:06 (permalink)
I'm having some BSOD problems trying to go higher than 4.8GHz, But Glad You could Finally save your Results!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 11:34:01 (permalink)
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I'm having some BSOD problems trying to go higher than 4.8GHz, But Glad You could Finally save your Results!




 
Thanks! Yeah I can't really get above 4875MHz either, I think I'm at the limit of WC.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 12:03:53 (permalink)
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Finally, got a really fast shot off and was able to save the result too.
 
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4949982
 

 
 
 
I'm still getting that BSOD, tried raising CPU voltage and some others as well, no effect. I'll look into it more, but for now I'm just happy I could save this lol.


Nice run.
What does your event logs say e1 is related too?

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 12:07:46 (permalink)
Hallowen, I think you may be at your "Air" limits as well.
You should be able to do that under 1.4V to 1.45V
 
Time to break out the water cooling!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 12:29:07 (permalink)
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Hallowen, I think you may be at your "Air" limits as well.
You should be able to do that under 1.4V to 1.45V
 
Time to break out the water cooling!




I Totally Agree with you John, I just Pushed the Vcore that High just to see if it would do any more.
 
Anyway, Now I have to wait for all the Water Cooling items to arrive next week before resuming Testing, Not to Mention Disassembling the Air Cooling Components and then Re-assembling everything for Water Cooling the GPU's/CPU plus the Full MB Block for the ASUS RIV BE!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 13:05:01 (permalink)
Well, while you wait. You can swap the motherboard bottom plate with the much smaller plate that allows for you to have the 4 small holes open.
Put your water cooling bottom plate on and attach just the water block. If you water chiller has it's thermostat still attached, then you can set it for 60F and have at it till the rest of your stuff comes. That water temp should allow for running of 5 to 5.1 ghz. benches. (I'm still learning my board as well) Or normal operation at 5.1 ghz. That way you can either wait to fully insulate or you can start now. I basically use the same method tony uses, but i use Vaseline in the sockets. Because this is 24/7 usage and it will get condensation when just idling over time. or a fast temp swap. Then when you are ready, take the water block off and slap the phase block on and keep going. but these are only suggestions of course.
 
Did you ever run a high single card bench yet?

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 13:54:53 (permalink)
Basically I'm going to do as You stated, But I need to sit down and figure out How I'm going to Prep everything as if I am going to immediately use Phase Change on the CPU and Chilled Water Cooling Not Only on the VC's, But Also on the MB Blocks.
 
I may end up as Q56 stated and put a thin coat of Vaseline with a Heat Gun over the Entire Board to start with.....or, I may try the Kneadable Eraser, But it is going to take some serious thought on my part as to exactly what to use.
Regardless of WHICH method I end up using, Vaseline will DEFINIELY go inside the CPU Socket until "Hell Freezes Over"! It has Always worked with No Problems on My other Sub-Zero Rigs, so I see no reason not to continue this practice, Except for making sure if I use Both Kneadable Eraser AND Vaseline, I Don't let the Two Touch together.
 
As to Single Card Benches, I have Only used a single GTX480 when I first got the ASUS for testing, and then I put Both KPE's in when I got them this past week. 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 15:18:55 (permalink)
Sounds like a winner!
Im going to need to prep my board this week as well.
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 15:26:26 (permalink)
WOW, that power supply is sick.  I remember was 1200 was the top of the line.  getting close to the 2KW mark.  At what point are we going to need dedicated 20A lines?  I don't know... but I know I got one for when that day comes ;) 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 15:51:40 (permalink)
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WOW, that power supply is sick.  I remember was 1200 was the top of the line.  getting close to the 2KW mark.  At what point are we going to need dedicated 20A lines?  I don't know... but I know I got one for when that day comes ;) 




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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/08 17:33:55 (permalink)
Hey Guys, I Was over shopping at Frozencpu.com, and noticed THEY had Instructions on using the Kneadable Eraser for Sub-Zero Phase Change!
 
Very Good, Now I have something to follow and it is shown in Pictures being applied to an ASUS MB!
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 13:08:58 (permalink)
All Right Guys, Please Give me Your Opinions about how these Photos of the back of my MB Look, Since this is the FIRST Time I have EVER used Kneadable Eraser as opposed to Vaseline when Prepping for Sub-Zero Temperatures.
 
I Think it looks OK, But I'm definitely no Michelangelo!
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 15:58:50 (permalink)
God, I Love the Aroma of Vaseline as it Slowly Melts into the CPU Socket and the Tension in the Air when the Right Temperature of both the Socket and the CPU has been reached as You Slowly, Carefully place the CPU into the Socket (Don't Drop!) and then the Overwhelming Relief that You feel as You Close the Hold-Down Latches and Apply additional Heat to Seal Them as One...............
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 16:43:04 (permalink)
Looking good Brother Hallowen.
 
You could have just put vaseline on the cpu and then set the cpu in the socket. done. That way it does not mix with the eraser.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 17:46:15 (permalink)
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Looking good Brother Hallowen.
 
You could have just put vaseline on the cpu and then set the cpu in the socket. done. That way it does not mix with the eraser.




I have Always Melted the Vaseline in the CPU Socket First (I taped around the Socket before I did), Then I put a thin coating on the CPU, Heat Both of them and Install.
The Vaseline did NOT seep out from underneath the Socket and then I am Positve No Moisture will ever form in the Socket/CPU.
 
BTW:
One Thing Nobody Told me about was How Time Consuming it is to use Kneadable Eraser compared to just Plain 'Ol Vaseline OR How Much difficulty there was (at Least for Me) to Re-install the CPU Hold-down Bracket over top of it!  
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 17:53:49 (permalink)
Nothing wrong with that!
Oh yeah, it does take some time, that's for sure.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 19:25:12 (permalink)
I Think When I get My EK Full MB Water Block/Vreg Block I may go ahead and Also Prep them for Use with either Vaseline or Kneadable Eraser for the area surrounding the top and Bottom of the MB just in case I decide to go with Sub-Zero Chilled Water Cooling probably some time after using normal Above Zero water Cooling with the Chiller set above the Freezing Point to prevent Condensation forming underneath those Blocks, although I have Never Done this in the Past Chiller Rigs I have Had.
When I was Running my 4-way SLI GTX 580 Classified Ultras on Sub-Zero Cooling water, I just kept a Eye out for Condensation forming on the Waterblocks and turned down the Chiller Temps to compensate.
I have Had VC's running at -10C, But When I Shut Down, I had to Dry up the Melting Condensation afterwards.
 
Any Suggestions on These Problems ? (Outside of using Kneadable Eraser on the VC PCB's!)

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/09 19:51:43 (permalink)
http://www.adorama.com/CPDVED.html?gclid=CIGf6LHTwLwCFZRr7AodMhAAIg
I just blow dry it with that.
I had covered all my vc's with eraser, then put the heat sinks back on top. Then when i ran the subzero they stayed cool and no condensation got to them...If you find a good solution to this problem i might try it as well.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/10 08:22:33 (permalink)
I have gone as far as I want to until my EK MB Blocks arrive, when I can determine before I install them what Area I need to continue molding the Kneadable Eraser around.
 
If You look in the Photos of What I have Done so far and look at the Red outline area of My MB to a Photo of where an ASUS RIV BE With the EK-FB Acrylic Blocks is Installed, You will see how Tight the Blocks are going to Fit.
 
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Even though I ordered the Acetal Black Block, I Showed the Picture of a See-Thru Acrylic Block so you can see the Capacitors underneath the Block. 
 

 

 

 

 
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/10 10:56:40 (permalink)
The EK Water Blocks have Arrived!
 
I Think I'll just use Vaseline on top and bottom of the MB under the Water Blocks, Since as You can See, It is a VERY Tight FIT!
 
I Might use some Kneadale Eraser around the SB Chip, and then tape around the Chip to separate it from the Vaseline, But on the Mosfets, I think it may be more trouble than it's worth to use either Vaseline OR Kneadable Eraser on top of the MB.
 
Does Anyone have any Other Solutions/Opinions?
 

 

 

 

 
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/10 14:56:50 (permalink)
All Right!, I Think I may have the Next Step Done.
 
Notice in the Photos the Imprint in the Kneadable Eraser of the EK SB Water Block.
 
I have to devise a way to use Vaseline under the Water Block, But Keep it separate from the Kneadable Eraser Area, and it looks to me that I need to put masking tape on the MB roughly the same shape (or Larger) as the EK WB and coat IT with Vaseline so condensation dripping from the WB won't Short anything Out.
 

 

 

 

 

 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/10 15:44:49 (permalink)
This is How I'm going to try to keep condensation off the MB If/When I go from Ambient Water Cooling to Chilled Sub-Zero Water Cooling.
I'm going to apply Vaseline only on the Taped Areas of the MB which should be a fair amount of precaution against condensation.
As Far as the EK Vreg Block goes, I just installed it as per EK's Specs for Water Cooling with No Vaseline or Kneadable Eraser used.
 

 

 

 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/10 17:04:44 (permalink)
OK, EK SB Water Block is Installed using what I like to call a Tape/Vaseline "Barrier" around the Outside edges of the EK Water Block.
 
Will it Work? I Don't Know Yet, But You Know Experimentation is the Only Way to see if something Works or Not, Right?
 
And the Quest to "Get it Colder" Goes On........... 
 

 


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