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Re:Get It Colder II
Sunday, June 19, 2011 0:31 PM
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Damn that 7Ghz must have been sweet to see.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Sunday, June 19, 2011 9:46 PM
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Alright John now I have something coming..
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:45 PM
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 Nice picture eh? 
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:02 PM
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Uhh!
What's going on? The condensor on my phase change unit is getting cold and my CPU is reading 97c at idle.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:04 PM
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Nice picture eh?
Nice picture indeed, but it looks heavily filtered.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:33 PM
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Oh crap, my phase change unit is down.
Maybe something (moisture?) plugged up the cold plate and caused the flexible hose to burst? I don't know, but I know I have a leak.
Who do I go to in order to get it fixed? How do I fix it?
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:41 PM
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Nice picture eh?
Nice picture indeed, but it looks heavily filtered.
Nope, just raw off my dad's DSLR.  No idea on the phase problem.. That's a question for John.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:52 PM
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Yeah.... I am hoping a local AC shop will give it a go. I have a better phase change unit coming for the CPU and will be using this broken one for video cards. I don't necessarily need peak performance for cooling video cards, but a cooler that works would be nice.
It uses R134a refrigerant so hopefully no shop will be too wierded out. But the question is how much refrigerant does it need!? They will ask and I won't know. Also, is the flexible metal tube standard (will they be able to get a replacement) or will that be a problem for them?
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 PM
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where in the world are you located at ty_ger?
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:00 PM
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Central US (Northern Minnesota).
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:12 PM
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dont think anyone is out in that area..
you can get another flex line from runmc or ron mccall at undertheice.com.
you cant really fill it to what they would try to do...it will be seriously under charged.
it has to be vacuumed out then welded then vacuumed again then charged....usually takes a few days. (that's if you want to be super careful.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:12 PM
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You should be able to replace the flex line if you can braze.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:36 PM
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you cant really fill it to what they would try to do...it will be seriously under charged.
So you are saying they would put way too little refrigerant in? The guy I talked to on the phone said he thought the system would probably take 6-8 ounces and would take about an hour to repair. One hour is much shorter than two days. So his work is probably no good? Yeah, I was looking at parts at undertheice a bit earlier. But having parts is not the same as having the equipment to do the work. Halo_003
You should be able to replace the flex line if you can braze.
It is the suction side, right?
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Re:Get It Colder II
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:42 PM
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I think so yeah, but maybe not.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:26 AM
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yes. it's the suction line. and brazing flex is not the easiest of things to do. it melts pretty damn quick if you use to much heat. and finding the right flex line is no easy task either. that's why i said get it from ron. fixing it is not the issue...it's charging it. and then you have to vacuum down which takes far longer than an hour. it's usually done over 24 hours or so. (the infamous triple evac) i get a kick out of hearing people say that..rotfl!
and they have the right vacuum pumps to pull it down fast.....me...yes, i would do it in an hour because well...dont really care about a triple evac at the moment. lol. i just fix it, vacuum down for like 30 minutes then charge away. haha
if your flex is broken at either end...then just cut the broken part off. be careful that you dont cut the cap tube...in the older models...it's usually in the suction line.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 5:13 AM
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you cant really fill it to what they would try to do...it will be seriously under charged.
So you are saying they would put way too little refrigerant in? The guy I talked to on the phone said he thought the system would probably take 6-8 ounces and would take about an hour to repair. One hour is much shorter than two days. So his work is probably no good?
Yeah, I was looking at parts at undertheice a bit earlier. But having parts is not the same as having the equipment to do the work.
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You should be able to replace the flex line if you can braze.
It is the suction side, right?
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 5:39 AM
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:32 AM
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if your flex is broken at either end...then just cut the broken part off. be careful that you dont cut the cap tube...in the older models...it's usually in the suction line.
Yes, it is broken about 3/4" from the phase change unit end of the flex tube. I figured it shouldn't be too hard to cut it at the break, remove the broken chunk, and braze the remainder of the flex tube back on if the person had the necessary skills and equipment.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:25 PM
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Hmm... maybe I will just let him give it a go and see what happens. It's not too expensive and if it doesn't work, there are always more expensive parts and more expensive people to take it to in the future to get it working properly.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:07 PM
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they can fix it...but if i were you...i would take my computer over there so they can make sure it's properly charged for your application. have them add a high and a low side valve if it isnt already on there. then you can play with it from there. buy a cheap vacuum pump and some ac gauges and your partially set.. 
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Re:Get It Colder II
Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:49 PM
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they can fix it...but if i were you...i would take my computer over there so they can make sure it's properly charged for your application. have them add a high and a low side valve if it isnt already on there. then you can play with it from there. buy a cheap vacuum pump and some ac gauges and your partially set..
This guy prefers to work out of his van. He said he has a shop, but prefers to make house calls.  That fact kind of scares me. I know that sometimes those types of people can be pure genius, but sometimes they are hacks.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Friday, June 24, 2011 0:02 PM
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that's better for you.
setup shop in the garage
have everything ready to go.
watch him closely...you might learn something. ask lots of questions.(meaningful ones not off the wall - lol)
have the laptop up on phase change stuff so he knows exactly what your after. dont assume he does. 98 percent f them have no clue how OUR phase change is really suppose to work. its just facts. he might try weighing out the charge and that might not even be close to right.
let the system start to frost over, then shut it down and either get a hair dryer or heat gun and face it to the evap and see what happens. then you can put it on the board and test away. since im pretty sure you dont have a load tester.
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Re:Get It Colder II
Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:01 AM
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Man, I have no been on here in months and you diehards are still at it. Wow...
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Monday, June 27, 2011 4:24 AM
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nateman_doo, You would not by chance have a brand name or custom full board block for a 790i laying around collecting dust? One you might want to get rid of? A longshot I had to try. 
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Monday, June 27, 2011 9:53 AM
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Sorry, I was away all last week. I am back now.
I made some crazy stuff for my 790 - individual blocks, nothing like a full board block. Was too cheap to buy one, so I started making them. Here I am today :)
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:28 PM
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 0:59 PM
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Me Likey! Where'd you snag that at?
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:00 AM
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That thing sure is pretty. Remember when 4 of those were the top dawg?
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:21 AM
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Yeah, and now one of them with a good sandy would be an '01 wrecking machine.
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Re:Get It Colder......2
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:46 AM
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Hehe I got it from someone who had 4 at launch, it was his last one and I got it at a really nice price. *Cough* $135 shipped *cough* 
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