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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/19 13:10:26
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Just a question about the pre-order. Can I do a pre-order, even though I'm in Europe? When will the card be delivered? And...any chance to get an estimated pricing? My 780Ti Kingpin was around 800€...
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/19 13:33:31
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Yes preorder will be available in Europe also. Availability will be announced on Feb 1.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/19 14:42:56
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EVGA_JacobF Yes preorder will be available in Europe also. Availability will be announced on Feb 1.
I found very interesting the single bracket feature! Will EVGA release a waterblock for this monster? I'm a bit afraid about a third part WB.. I'm still waiting for the regular Classified waterblock from EK...
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/19 15:39:22
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Good Good Good! Now someone can sell me their old Kingpin for a good price for some saucy sli. Unless I can't resist the new one. Current kingpin is running 3x 1920 x 1080 and a 2560 x 1440 simultaneous gaming, probably ought to just run it a couple more years or until it dies. Dang temptress. Only reason I'm considering is for a little more ram.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 04:14:58
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EVGA_JacobF Yes preorder will be available in Europe also. Availability will be announced on Feb 1.
I found very interesting the single bracket feature! Will EVGA release a waterblock for this monster? I'm a bit afraid about a third part WB.. I'm still waiting for the regular Classified waterblock from EK...
this is my though as well. If its anything like the other 980 classified... those folks are still waiting. Now I wonder if the 980 classified and the kingpin will use the same block which is why the 980 classified is being delayed
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 07:25:05
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Scarlet-Tech No, I won't participate in the rumor mill... I do know, the boss (K|ngp|n) himself said that the evbot is coming although unnecessary for the new cards... Wink Wink.
You started it anyway LOL
Nope, you are incorrect.
I can grab screen shots. That was only fact, NOT rumor mill. Fact isn't rumor.
Lol evga announced... Actuall i think jacob announced a new evbot in the works earlier last year.....just didnt give a release date. So scarlet is right. Also, i got flamed for wishing classified to classified step ups... :D EDIT : I still do believe in a classified to classified AND NOW an KPE to KPE step up should be awarded to those who are in the specific "elite card club"...but that is EVGA's decision to award their consumers if they wanted to.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 08:23:15
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Announcement said EVBot on board, Am I the only one that got that?
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 08:32:19
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I would step up, if allowed, and If the cards were say $850-$950 And came with an EVbot included, hell, I may just get one for the heck of it anyway!
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 08:48:48
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Scarlet-Tech No, I won't participate in the rumor mill... I do know, the boss (K|ngp|n) himself said that the evbot is coming although unnecessary for the new cards... Wink Wink.
i remember seeing the same thing,,, will be nice to see a new one with support for more than just evga boards too, i so wish they would!!! http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2275755
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 08:50:59
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Hello! I have a question,It is gonna be a limited edition,or I can buy it at this year May? I ask because I have to collect that much money! (~800-1000$) I am afraid I Can't buy this beast,because everybody preorders it and May is not close.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 09:13:41
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evbot onboard means that the evbot port/connection is present, not that it's included with the card.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 09:16:41
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The release of something like this probably just indicates the 980Ti / Titan 2 / whatever is coming shortly and everyone who pays top dollar for this card is going to get screwed. Also sounds like overclocking is still going to be gimped unless you shell out huge $$$ for the elusive evbot.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 09:18:59
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So if the pre-order begins February 1st and let's say we pre-order it, does that mean our step-up date would start February 1st or when the card actually ships?
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 09:40:43
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GunslingerOCS evbot onboard means that the evbot port/connection is present, not that it's included with the card.
uh, duh! I am well aware of what an evbot port looks like. just pointing it out for the folks that may not have seen it.. And the apparent truth to the rumor of a new one becoming available. I would hope that when they said exclusive additional included, item would be the new evbot, and not a t-shirt, game or another poster. And or step up for recently purchased Classified Owners. WE CAN ALL HOPE FOR SUCH THINGS, HOWEVER HIGHLY UNLIKELY! http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2277348
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 10:11:22
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I've been wanting a new card and was going to make a purchase this weekend, but now that this card is coming out, I think I will wait. I like the fact that if you liquid cool (I do), that you can change the bracket to convert it to a Single-card slot. Really excited about the features of this card! Any rumors out there as to the cost of the card?
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 10:30:42
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If i had to guess ,, Like I said above, $850 to $950 would be a good bet and late Feb early May would be my guess for availability
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 10:55:51
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Sajin Nice card but i'm holding out till GM200/GM210.
Same Here, IMO, This 980 Classified K|ngp|n Version would have been awesome with the Full Blown Maxwell Chip.
yeah she is a sexy looking beast, hope they unlock its full potential and not take there normal path of power reduction, power saving and all the other garb included to reduce its full potential!!!
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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ssj92 So if the pre-order begins February 1st and let's say we pre-order it, does that mean our step-up date would start February 1st or when the card actually ships?
ssj92 So if the pre-order begins February 1st and let's say we pre-order it, does that mean our step-up date would start February 1st or when the card actually ships?
I dont know why you would want to "step-down" from a 980 KPE to a .....Vanilla/ACX 980ti if/when available. http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/There^ is the page for step-up.....but more clarification would be needed as far as a pre-order would go. I would imagine, once the product is shipped and invoiced. EDIT: Hah, just called Customer Support. He said, "step-up begins the date of the purchase/pre-order". So there is your answer.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 12:03:06
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ssj92 So if the pre-order begins February 1st and let's say we pre-order it, does that mean our step-up date would start February 1st or when the card actually ships?
ssj92 So if the pre-order begins February 1st and let's say we pre-order it, does that mean our step-up date would start February 1st or when the card actually ships?
I dont know why you would want to "step-down" from a 980 KPE to a .....Vanilla/ACX 980ti if/when available. http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/ There^ is the page for step-up.....but more clarification would be needed as far as a pre-order would go. I would imagine, once the product is shipped and invoiced. EDIT: Hah, just called Customer Support. He said, "step-up begins the date of the purchase/pre-order". So there is your answer.
Because 980 KPE is GM204... a low end chip. GM200/GM210 is a high end chip.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 12:03:17
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A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 12:22:15
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AnonymousGuy A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
The point im trying to get across is, why spend $800+ on a limited card if you are going to toss it back.......if gm200/210 is even released in 90 days(May 2015)...
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 12:41:52
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AnonymousGuy A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
The point im trying to get across is, why spend $800+ on a limited card if you are going to toss it back.......if gm200/210 is even released in 90 days(May 2015)...
Is that not the entire purpose of the step up program? To protect people from getting stuck with a less powerful card when a more powerful one comes out a few months later?
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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AnonymousGuy A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
The point im trying to get across is, why spend $800+ on a limited card if you are going to toss it back.......if gm200/210 is even released in 90 days(May 2015)...
Is that not the entire purpose of the step up program? To protect people from getting stuck with a less powerful card when a more powerful one comes out a few months later?
Nevermind........
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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GunslingerOCS evbot onboard means that the evbot port/connection is present, not that it's included with the card.
uh, duh! I am well aware of what an evbot port looks like. just pointing it out for the folks that may not have seen it.. And the apparent truth to the rumor of a new one becoming available. I would hope that when they said exclusive additional included, item would be the new evbot, and not a t-shirt, game or another poster. And or step up for recently purchased Classified Owners. WE CAN ALL HOPE FOR SUCH THINGS, HOWEVER HIGHLY UNLIKELY! http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2277348
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 15:35:11
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AnonymousGuy A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
The point im trying to get across is, why spend $800+ on a limited card if you are going to toss it back.......if gm200/210 is even released in 90 days(May 2015)...
Bingo!......That's the reason I'm going to wait for the GM200. I've already had purchased Three different EVGA 980 series Cards (4 X reference, 4 X SC and 4 X Classifieds) since October 2014 and since there wasn't much of a performance gain between those various cards on the Testing I have done using either Air or Water Cooling (I'm purposely NOT including LN2), I've reached a point where I'm tired of losing $$$ every month when a New 980 variation is released using the same GM204 low-end Chip and I have to take a Loss selling the old ones.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
2015/01/20 15:43:45
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AnonymousGuy A souped up 980 isn't going to be better than whatever model comes above the 980. The KPE still has only 4 GB vram too.
The point im trying to get across is, why spend $800+ on a limited card if you are going to toss it back.......if gm200/210 is even released in 90 days(May 2015)...
Bingo!......That's the reason I'm going to wait for the GM200. I've already had purchased Three different EVGA 980 series Cards (4 X reference, 4 X SC and 4 X Classifieds) since October 2014 and since there wasn't much of a performance gain between those various cards on the Testing I have done using either Air or Water Cooling (I'm purposely NOT including LN2), I've reached a point where I'm tired of losing $$$ every month when a New 980 variation is released using the same GM204 low-end Chip and I have to take a Loss selling the old ones.
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Re: GTX 980 Kingpin Exclusive Preorder
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That was exactly why I decided to wait, but the K|ngp|n series are beautiful. I think I will be patient though
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