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This is my experience that i want to share with anyone considering what seemed to be a no brainier....2 gtx 970's that would out perform *almost* anything out there. There was no more logical price/performance solution. So i did it. Two EVGA 970 FTW+ I figured I would be good for at least 3 years on 1080p or even 2k in some newer games. My experience at first was great. Then i started to push the cards with higher AA & that's when it started. I began to get around 1 second drops in gpu usage and frame rates. Gpu usage would drop all the way to zero for a half second then come back up again.
 
For two weeks i troubleshooted every part of my new rig. I started with the brand new cpu a 4790k as i thought maybe somehow it was a bottle neck but it was not. Then memory, then the ssd's and also a brand new psu. NOTHING. Keep in mind i started off with one 970 GPU  that had no issues. So then i started to test 1 gpu at a time and could not reproduce the issue no matter what slot on the ASUS XII Formula. I even tested the voltage with a multimeter  and everything was on spec. I never suspected the memory partition as being an issue as when i ran them separately and went over the 3500 segment there were no issues. I was completely lost and started blaming the drivers and tried every one from the first to last 900 series drivers all clean installed. I have never been so frustrated at a pc issue I could not fix. 
 
Lost for solutions the web searching started and recently there have been more and more articles regarding this issue some from users like you and I & some from respected PC sites. They all said the same thing. In sli the 970's show what they call stutter, freezes, microstutter, & hitching. All articles point to the memory configuration which is not a big deal for most people using 1 970 but becomes very apparent when running them in SLI. This issue does not exist with the 980's in sli. This issue does exist for some people with 1 970 but not me. 
 
For all my time wasted I hope this can at least help one person avoid this situation.  Links to some of the articles are below. Needless to say both my 970's are going back and 980's are on the way. Maybe i can push 4 years with the 980's especially when DX12 comes to life.
 
 
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2tuqd4/i_benchmarked_gtx_970s_in_sli_at_1440p_and_above/
 
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-GTX-970-Memory-Issued-Tested-SLI/COD-Advanced-Warfare-and-Closin
 
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-earth-shadow-of-mordor-geforce-gtx-970-vram-stress-test.html
 
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/198223-investigating-the-gtx-970-does-nvidias-penultimate-gpu-have-a-memory-problem/2
 
LOL! AMD offer discount to gtx 970 owners!!! Anything to make a buck!
 
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/amd-to-offer-special-discounts-to-owners-of-geforce-gtx-970/
 
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 17:49:30 (permalink)
[Removed] I have had zero issues running 3 970s and for the life of me I can't force this stutter/frame drop issue no matter how hard I try.
 
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 18:00:25 (permalink)
I am going to have to agree that I am not experiencing said issues at all.  The only frame drop I had was switching from a 1080p monitor to a 1440p and even that wasn't terribly dramatic.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 18:15:07 (permalink)
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I am going to have to agree that I am not experiencing said issues at all.  The only frame drop I had was switching from a 1080p monitor to a 1440p and even that wasn't terribly dramatic.


 

Same here. Even @ 3.6GB (Rare) I cannot get my 2-Way SLI to stutter, produce horrible frames... I'm running 2 970 GTX FTW's... Unfortunately for me I have far to much invested into my 970's at this point with both having backplates to say hell with it i'm gonna send them back. Unless EVGA is willing to compensate me for my backplates to... I doubt I sure wont but budging from my 970's unless nVidia wants them back and willing to send me new "Fixed" ones with L2 enabled.
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 18:47:07 (permalink)
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[Removed] I have had zero issues running 3 970s and for the life of me I can't force this stutter/frame drop issue no matter how hard I try.




I'm curious how hard you have tried. I'll admit there are likely a ton of false claims that people are reporting and they are simply jumping on the bandwagon(especially those who are taking advantage of the step up option but aren't stepping out of the 970). It's a matter of numbers. 21:9@1440p, 3840x2160, or some form of surround is what you need to see the issues. I just finished a session of SoM and it doesn't take very long at all to find areas of the game that becomes stutterriffic on my 2 970s running at 3840x2160(not DSR). I can do the same thing in AC:Unity, Dragon Age:I, FC4 and I also just noticed it for the first time in Lords of the Fallen. I don't have a single hiccup in Battlefield 4, CoD Ghosts or Advanced Warfare, or Borderlands The Prequel. Of those games I listed with stutter, the problems crop up just before the 3.5gb Vram mark is hit according to both PrecisionX or Afterburner. Magically I can pull my 970s, pop in my old 2 670s 4GB and watch all the games that previously stuttered run silky smooth when working above 3.5gb VRAM. I can also switch to my 1440p monitor and watch as those games run smooth and under 3gb VRAM(except SoM, it still stutters at 1440p but not nearly as bad). Now do my 670s have good framerate at 4k? Of course not! But the games are much more playable at times due to the absence of stutter.
 
I'm very glad you don't have any issues running your 970s, but just because you don't have them doesn't mean that those of us that have problems are lying. There is no benefit for me to make this problem up. I was already $100 over my budget so spending more was going to land me in hot water. I was also still within my step up window. I could have taken the refund yet I still chose to step up both cards to the 980 rather than essentially trade both my 970s for a single 980. I'm pretty confident that the stutter that doesn't exist on my 670s will continue to not exist on the 980s.
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 18:50:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby antandbetty 2015/02/22 01:40:32
I had the very similar issues and did a lot of troubleshooting before returning my GTX 970 SSC's. After a lot of reading on this subject, some people did figure out their issues by turning off hyper-threading on their CPU, which is one thing I never attempted. At the time, I didn't recall having the issue on my i7 3770K set-up before I botched a delid on it... I ended up replacing it with a i7 4790K set-up and had a lot of issues from there.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 19:12:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby antandbetty 2015/02/22 01:39:24
One thing you might try is 16GB of ram. Overclockers.com recommends 8GB of ram for each video card.




 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 21:06:31 (permalink)
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Also has anyone done any real testing between having a crap ton of AA and other effects that eat memory on at UHD resolution? Ever tried and true tech site I've seen says that you can't tell a difference. This makes sense considering that everyone seems to forget "they" created AA, because we wanted more graphical detail out of 1080p. It wasn't even made for those super high resolutions. Now if you're the kind of guy who has to have everything maxed just to prove your rig has the balls to max anything out then I can understand, but once you become that guy you lose all logical reasoning. Last time I checked computers were based on nothing but logical reasoning :)
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 22:19:18 (permalink)
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Also has anyone done any real testing between having a crap ton of AA and other effects that eat memory on at UHD resolution? Ever tried and true tech site I've seen says that you can't tell a difference. This makes sense considering that everyone seems to forget "they" created AA, because we wanted more graphical detail out of 1080p. It wasn't even made for those super high resolutions. Now if you're the kind of guy who has to have everything maxed just to prove your rig has the balls to max anything out then I can understand, but once you become that guy you lose all logical reasoning. Last time I checked computers were based on nothing but logical reasoning :)



I don't run any AA at 3840x2160 because it's nearly undetectable. I've taken near identical screenshots in BF4 with it on and off, flipping back and forth between the two trying unsuccessfully to find a solid example that justifies turning it on. When you see 4k benchmarks they typically will have AA on so the numbers reported can often be lower than what you'd expect in real world. However turning them on for benchmark reviews/comparisons on video cards is a necessity to maintain a consistent test across multiple resolutions. That said things like AF and Ambient Occlusion do still show up but I've always found I can easily live with out AO.
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/21 22:57:43 (permalink)
1080P with everything on ultra and expecting clean game play for 800 dollars is hardly illogical.  For those of you who don't have any issues in SLI I am happy for you. I don't have it in every game either as some will not get close to 3500 vram. 
 
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"The graph measuring frame variance actually doesn't show as much of a gap here between the GTX 980 SLI and GTX 970 SLI configurations as I expected. I can assure you that the gaming experience of the 970s was substantially lower than that of the GTX 980 cards. There was noticeable hitching and doing a smooth pan around a central location was much nearly impossible on the lower cost cards. The GTX 980 SLI setup produced a much better overall result, more in-line with the average frame rates being reported." 
 
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Also has anyone done any real testing between having a crap ton of AA and other effects that eat memory on at UHD resolution? Ever tried and true tech site I've seen says that you can't tell a difference. This makes sense considering that everyone seems to forget "they" created AA, because we wanted more graphical detail out of 1080p. It wasn't even made for those super high resolutions. Now if you're the kind of guy who has to have everything maxed just to prove your rig has the balls to max anything out then I can understand, but once you become that guy you lose all logical reasoning. Last time I checked computers were based on nothing but logical reasoning :)




 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 00:02:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby antandbetty 2015/02/22 01:39:37
There have been a lot of threads on this discussion at this forum. Here are a few that I have posted on:
http://forums.evga.com/Both-of-my-970-SC-not-seeing-past-35gb-of-Vram-m2281378.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/Specs-Don39t-Matter-TechPowerUp-Poll-on-GTX-970-Controversy-m2291713.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/class-action-against-nvidia-for-the-970-owners-m2286040.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/AM...-m2287492.aspx#2288874
 
This stuff has been wide spread for over a month, lots of people talking about it on multiple forums. Some of the top hardware forums have been locking threads and letting them slowly fade away... Hardforums had a huge thread about it... locked the thread after about 200+ pages. A lot of people are still pretty upset about it and have been very vocal about it. I ended up building a whole new PC after everything was said and done to troubleshoot my issues as well... all the way down to upgrading to windows 8.1 from windows 7. I gave them the benefit, expecting something else to the the problem. To find out... I wasted a lot of time and money on the issue.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 01:36:05 (permalink)
None specific to sli..all these sli tests started after Nvidia owned up on the subject....when i run 1 card i have no issues...a little hiccup here and there but nothing to complain about.... That is why i posted this thread with the specific title regarding SLI none of the other titles you mention below specifically mention SLI.... and the sli issue is new news to me.
 
 I am in the same boat as you... I have dropped 800 on the 970's and now over 1k on the 980's and oh let me tell you i am having the time of my life over here. I never in 15 years of building pc's have been so frustrated. I feel like taking the whole z97 setup and bringing it back and going with x99 and a 40 lane 6 core. I also went from 7x64 to 8.1x64 
 
What did you wind up building?
 
 
 
 
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There have been a lot of threads on this discussion at this forum. Here are a few that I have posted on:
http://forums.evga.com/Both-of-my-970-SC-not-seeing-past-35gb-of-Vram-m2281378.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/Specs-Don39t-Matter-TechPowerUp-Poll-on-GTX-970-Controversy-m2291713.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/class-action-against-nvidia-for-the-970-owners-m2286040.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/AM...-m2287492.aspx#2288874
 
This stuff has been wide spread for over a month, lots of people talking about it on multiple forums. Some of the top hardware forums have been locking threads and letting them slowly fade away... Hardforums had a huge thread about it... locked the thread after about 200+ pages. A lot of people are still pretty upset about it and have been very vocal about it. I ended up building a whole new PC after everything was said and done to troubleshoot my issues as well... all the way down to upgrading to windows 8.1 from windows 7. I gave them the benefit, expecting something else to the the problem. To find out... I wasted a lot of time and money on the issue.





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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 06:45:14 (permalink)
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1080P with everything on ultra and expecting clean game play for 800 dollars is hardly illogical.  For those of you who don't have any issues in SLI I am happy for you. I don't have it in every game either as some will not get close to 3500 vram. 
 
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"The graph measuring frame variance actually doesn't show as much of a gap here between the GTX 980 SLI and GTX 970 SLI configurations as I expected. I can assure you that the gaming experience of the 970s was substantially lower than that of the GTX 980 cards. There was noticeable hitching and doing a smooth pan around a central location was much nearly impossible on the lower cost cards. The GTX 980 SLI setup produced a much better overall result, more in-line with the average frame rates being reported." 
 
 
 




Everything I've read says the issues don't exist at 1080p (I'm not having any issues at 1080p). Also the bottom part of my post was in reference to high resolutions. I'm fairly confident you picked and chose which words to use in your response to make it sound intelligent. [Removed]  I'll be unsubscribing from this thread so no need to respond [Removed].
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 13:52:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby antandbetty 2015/02/22 17:43:31
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This is my experience that i want to share with anyone considering what seemed to be a no brainier....2 gtx 970's that would out perform *almost* anything out there. There was no more logical price/performance solution. So i did it. Two EVGA 970 FTW+ I figured I would be good for at least 3 years on 1080p or even 2k in some newer games. My experience at first was great. Then i started to push the cards with higher AA & that's when it started. I began to get around 1 second drops in gpu usage and frame rates. Gpu usage would drop all the way to zero for a half second then come back up again. 

 
This drop in gpu usage has been around for a while in their drivers as a bug. I do not have a 970 or 980 but i've seen it effect a very small amount of people with the 970. I have 2 780 ti's and was effected by this bug for almost a year, many others on this forum will back me up. 347.25 fixed this issue for me and many others. I also went through my entire system to find the cause of this drop in gpu usage but found nothing. This thread was started by sajin, http://forums.evga.com/900-Series-GPU-Usage-Dropout-Test-Resolved-m2275993.aspx to collect information and help others. Fortunately this bug was fixed for users with 700 series/titan cards but it looks like its effecting a small amount of 970 users. If you went through your entire system and found no faults then it driver related. Please report if this issue happens with the 980.
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 15:20:12 (permalink)
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None specific to sli..all these sli tests started after Nvidia owned up on the subject....when i run 1 card i have no issues...a little hiccup here and there but nothing to complain about.... That is why i posted this thread with the specific title regarding SLI none of the other titles you mention below specifically mention SLI.... and the sli issue is new news to me.
 
 I am in the same boat as you... I have dropped 800 on the 970's and now over 1k on the 980's and oh let me tell you i am having the time of my life over here. I never in 15 years of building pc's have been so frustrated. I feel like taking the whole z97 setup and bringing it back and going with x99 and a 40 lane 6 core. I also went from 7x64 to 8.1x64 
 
What did you wind up building?
 
 
 
 
RainStryke
There have been a lot of threads on this discussion at this forum. Here are a few that I have posted on:
http://forums.evga.com/Both-of-my-970-SC-not-seeing-past-35gb-of-Vram-m2281378.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/Specs-Don39t-Matter-TechPowerUp-Poll-on-GTX-970-Controversy-m2291713.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/class-action-against-nvidia-for-the-970-owners-m2286040.aspx
http://forums.evga.com/AM...-m2287492.aspx#2288874
 
This stuff has been wide spread for over a month, lots of people talking about it on multiple forums. Some of the top hardware forums have been locking threads and letting them slowly fade away... Hardforums had a huge thread about it... locked the thread after about 200+ pages. A lot of people are still pretty upset about it and have been very vocal about it. I ended up building a whole new PC after everything was said and done to troubleshoot my issues as well... all the way down to upgrading to windows 8.1 from windows 7. I gave them the benefit, expecting something else to the the problem. To find out... I wasted a lot of time and money on the issue.








That first one I linked "both of my 970 sc not seeing past 3.5gb" is actually related to SLI performance with a few of the people responding as well. SLI performance has been alienated by all of the reviewers because they see it as a niche market for people looking into multiple video cards. Even though you need multiple video cards to run 4K and two GTX 970's were the best bang for the buck for many users to aim for when trying to prep for a 4K monitor. Those new 4K monitors are affordable now and lots of people are itching to move over to something like that. But it seems like everyone is going to have to wait for something more affordable to come out.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 17:45:32 (permalink)
Thank you for the link. I just started to go through that thread. Very useful information.
 
 
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This drop in gpu usage has been around for a while in their drivers as a bug. I do not have a 970 or 980 but i've seen it effect a very small amount of people with the 970. I have 2 780 ti's and was effected by this bug for almost a year, many others on this forum will back me up. 347.25 fixed this issue for me and many others. I also went through my entire system to find the cause of this drop in gpu usage but found nothing. This thread was started by sajin, http://forums.evga.com/900-Series-GPU-Usage-Dropout-Test-Resolved-m2275993.aspx to collect information and help others. Fortunately this bug was fixed for users with 700 series/titan cards but it looks like its effecting a small amount of 970 users. If you went through your entire system and found no faults then it driver related. Please report if this issue happens with the 980.

 

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 17:56:31 (permalink)
Did you get your 970's straightened out or did you move to different GPU's? I was trying to find your posts about your issues. 
 
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That first one I linked "both of my 970 sc not seeing past 3.5gb" is actually related to SLI performance with a few of the people responding as well. SLI performance has been alienated by all of the reviewers because they see it as a niche market for people looking into multiple video cards. Even though you need multiple video cards to run 4K and two GTX 970's were the best bang for the buck for many users to aim for when trying to prep for a 4K monitor. Those new 4K monitors are affordable now and lots of people are itching to move over to something like that. But it seems like everyone is going to have to wait for something more affordable to come out.

 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/22 20:29:27 (permalink)
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Did you get your 970's straightened out or did you move to different GPU's? I was trying to find your posts about your issues. 
 
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That first one I linked "both of my 970 sc not seeing past 3.5gb" is actually related to SLI performance with a few of the people responding as well. SLI performance has been alienated by all of the reviewers because they see it as a niche market for people looking into multiple video cards. Even though you need multiple video cards to run 4K and two GTX 970's were the best bang for the buck for many users to aim for when trying to prep for a 4K monitor. Those new 4K monitors are affordable now and lots of people are itching to move over to something like that. But it seems like everyone is going to have to wait for something more affordable to come out.

 



No, I returned them to newegg for a refund. I went over to a pair of R9 290X's since I found a guy selling them for $230 a piece.
 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/23 01:27:13 (permalink)
Wow, that is a great deal. How are they performing for you..

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/23 16:03:01 (permalink)
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Wow, that is a great deal. How are they performing for you..




Well, one is in for RMA because one of the fans went bad. It's funny though, cause even with one of the fans completely not working on my Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X it was still getting about 68C under max load. I was just wanting to make sure I had it fixed for resale value, since I plan on selling them in a few months to buy a R9 390X when they come out. I should get it back soon. The other one is doing great so far. I only had a few days with crossfire before it went in for RMA, I can't say much about it since the days I did have it... I was too busy to play much. I know Far Cry 4 performed really well for about 45 minutes before I went to bed the last night I had them going.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/23 17:59:27 (permalink)
Man you really have had it hard between the 970's and now a stupid issue with a fan. On top of that your going for new ones again in a few months? You must have a lot of patience my friend. At least the cards are good and getting a bad fan is not uncommon. I have no patience left and when i get my 980's if either has an issue i think i am going to snap. keep your fingers crossed for me  
 
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Well, one is in for RMA because one of the fans went bad. It's funny though, cause even with one of the fans completely not working on my Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X it was still getting about 68C under max load. I was just wanting to make sure I had it fixed for resale value, since I plan on selling them in a few months to buy a R9 390X when they come out. I should get it back soon. The other one is doing great so far. I only had a few days with crossfire before it went in for RMA, I can't say much about it since the days I did have it... I was too busy to play much. I know Far Cry 4 performed really well for about 45 minutes before I went to bed the last night I had them going.

 
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/23 18:59:38 (permalink)
Oh man, patience... lol my last two months have been nothing but RMA's and returns for refund. Partially because I can't make up my mind on what I want.
 
Originally bought a pair of GTX 970's and returned them as you know... I then purchased a Vizio P series 50" 4K TV - While it was an amazing looking monitor for my PC it had some set backs... Like literally cutting corners on the edge lit LED's. You had to kick up the brightens to about 80% for the corners to not look dimmer than the rest of the screen and it was too bright for my eyes. When I did return it and had to move back to my old 40" 1080p TV, it left a lot to be desired. I can't wait to get a nice 4K TV. Maybe later this year though.
 
I had a i7 3770K, I got a little greedy with performance and went for a delid on the processor to lower temps. I delided it, but I also popped a few capacitors off of it too and rendered it useless. I got lucky and Intel gave me a new one after RMA. I was really surprised. I ended up buying a i7 4790K and the Z87 board I have now from microcenter. I was getting frustrated with hanging boot times, so I ended up returning the i7 4790K and Z87 board. After looking at reviews and other peoples issues, I thought maybe it was a problem with Z87 and I needed a Z97 board, so I went back up to microcenter and bought a new i7 4790K again and a Asus Z97-AR board. The boot times didn't change one bit and I felt like I gave up a lot of features moving form the MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with WiFi and a bunch of other features... But I kept what I had...
 
During my whole delid issue, I didn't realize some stuff got into the CPU socket of my Z77 board and bent some pins pretty bad. One of the pins went missing... I sent that board in for RMA and when I got it back, the socket pins looked brand new and I ended up getting a i7 3770K back from Intel, so I figured... Hey, let's just return this i7 4790K and Z97 board and go back to the set-up I had originally that didn't have any issues... I did that and found out one of my hard drives took a crap and that's what was causing all of the hang ups on loading the operating system. It was a 3rd hard drive that I rarely ever use, so I never thought about it.
 
Over top of all of that... I got my second R9 290X Tri-X card and found out that if I try to run them in crossfire on my Asus P8Z77M-PRO board, they run too close together and the fans on the top card can't move because they are touching the back of the PCB of the second video card. Also... while trying to get the second R9 290X to fit in there, I ganked one of the capacitors to my on board sound, killing my on board sound to my motherboard... I went looking for a new motherboard to support my video cards. People must think their Z77 boards are made of gold, cause a lot of them want more than what it cost to buy a Z97 board... So I ended up selling my i7 3770K and buying a new i7 4790K again... LMAO I found my MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX on clearance as an open box item when when I was up at microcenter. I ended up buying it for $20 cheaper than I originally purchased it for.
 
Hahaha... almost forgot my Corsair CPU coolers. I'm currently on my 3rd one within 30 days. The first Corsair H105 started to crap out on me after the first week, the water pump was going bad and the LED on the CPU block was going dim and flickering. I returned it... Bought the corsair H110i GT... It was fantastic for like 5 hours. Then my CPU temps went up into the 80C range for no reason and the damn radiator fans would make an annoying racket when they would ramp up to 2800RPM's and when they did, it didn't help anything... I took it apart thinking maybe I needed to retry my thermal paste. I re applied some new thermal paste, but I over torqued the screws on the bracket and snapped two of them off making it useless... I went to look up neweggs return policy on it, to find out the H110i GT has been pulled and is currently being recalled by corsair. I got talked into a Corsair H90 by the dude up at microcenter after really looking into a NZXT Kraken X41. So far it's looking good, but it's only been like 4 hours since I got my PC back up and going.
 
All I've got to say is... Newegg and Microcenter has been flawless with returns. They have been taking everything back without question so far.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 06:48:38 (permalink)
OH MY GOD! 
 
I thought i had it rough coming from a Sandy bridge platform! Man you have my sympathy! I delided also  but it went well for me with the razor method. Razor went through the little devil like butter. I would never put my cpu in a vice and hit it with a hammer. The transistors in a cpu are on a micro scale and & people all over are hitting them with hammers! Nuts! Second of all when we are dropping this kind of money it should run flawlessly as long as we know what we are doing. That said i would do the same thing. My last build that sounds like yours was a core 2 duo. I hope all goes well for you this time around! You deserve a break my friend. 
 
PS: That is where i but all my parts also. Nowhere else. Especially Microcenter with there 29 dollar two year bring back for cash or credit deal no questions asked! You can upgrade your parts every two years for free like i did with my SSD's.
 
 
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Oh man, patience... lol my last two months have been nothing but RMA's and returns for refund. Partially because I can't make up my mind on what I want.
 
Originally bought a pair of GTX 970's and returned them as you know... I then purchased a Vizio P series 50" 4K TV - While it was an amazing looking monitor for my PC it had some set backs... Like literally cutting corners on the edge lit LED's. You had to kick up the brightens to about 80% for the corners to not look dimmer than the rest of the screen and it was too bright for my eyes. When I did return it and had to move back to my old 40" 1080p TV, it left a lot to be desired. I can't wait to get a nice 4K TV. Maybe later this year though.
 
I had a i7 3770K, I got a little greedy with performance and went for a delid on the processor to lower temps. I delided it, but I also popped a few capacitors off of it too and rendered it useless. I got lucky and Intel gave me a new one after RMA. I was really surprised. I ended up buying a i7 4790K and the Z87 board I have now from microcenter. I was getting frustrated with hanging boot times, so I ended up returning the i7 4790K and Z87 board. After looking at reviews and other peoples issues, I thought maybe it was a problem with Z87 and I needed a Z97 board, so I went back up to microcenter and bought a new i7 4790K again and a Asus Z97-AR board. The boot times didn't change one bit and I felt like I gave up a lot of features moving form the MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with WiFi and a bunch of other features... But I kept what I had...
 
During my whole delid issue, I didn't realize some stuff got into the CPU socket of my Z77 board and bent some pins pretty bad. One of the pins went missing... I sent that board in for RMA and when I got it back, the socket pins looked brand new and I ended up getting a i7 3770K back from Intel, so I figured... Hey, let's just return this i7 4790K and Z97 board and go back to the set-up I had originally that didn't have any issues... I did that and found out one of my hard drives took a crap and that's what was causing all of the hang ups on loading the operating system. It was a 3rd hard drive that I rarely ever use, so I never thought about it.
 
Over top of all of that... I got my second R9 290X Tri-X card and found out that if I try to run them in crossfire on my Asus P8Z77M-PRO board, they run too close together and the fans on the top card can't move because they are touching the back of the PCB of the second video card. Also... while trying to get the second R9 290X to fit in there, I ganked one of the capacitors to my on board sound, killing my on board sound to my motherboard... I went looking for a new motherboard to support my video cards. People must think their Z77 boards are made of gold, cause a lot of them want more than what it cost to buy a Z97 board... So I ended up selling my i7 3770K and buying a new i7 4790K again... LMAO I found my MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX on clearance as an open box item when when I was up at microcenter. I ended up buying it for $20 cheaper than I originally purchased it for.
 
Hahaha... almost forgot my Corsair CPU coolers. I'm currently on my 3rd one within 30 days. The first Corsair H105 started to crap out on me after the first week, the water pump was going bad and the LED on the CPU block was going dim and flickering. I returned it... Bought the corsair H110i GT... It was fantastic for like 5 hours. Then my CPU temps went up into the 80C range for no reason and the damn radiator fans would make an annoying racket when they would ramp up to 2800RPM's and when they did, it didn't help anything... I took it apart thinking maybe I needed to retry my thermal paste. I re applied some new thermal paste, but I over torqued the screws on the bracket and snapped two of them off making it useless... I went to look up neweggs return policy on it, to find out the H110i GT has been pulled and is currently being recalled by corsair. I got talked into a Corsair H90 by the dude up at microcenter after really looking into a NZXT Kraken X41. So far it's looking good, but it's only been like 4 hours since I got my PC back up and going.
 
All I've got to say is... Newegg and Microcenter has been flawless with returns. They have been taking everything back without question so far.




post edited by antandbetty - 2015/02/24 06:51:28

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 15:56:56 (permalink)
Alright, I'm locking the thread down for a bit of cleaning at this point.
 
This thread, as has been mentioned, is pretty much a duplicate to other threads that were previously posted.  There are at least three or four well-represented threads on this issue, and summarizing those threads isn't a sufficient reason to break the TOS by posting another thread.  With that said, we'll leave the thread open, provided that it still remains being relevant and different enough from the other threads on the forums.  It's also possible that we may simply merge this thread into another previously posted thread at some point.
 
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I'm reopening the thread for now.  This thread may later be merged into another thread, but for now, consider it properly its own thread.  Please avoid commenting on whether the thread is a duplicate or whether it should be allowed to be open.  If members wish to edit posts that I've edited, please send me a PM first.
 
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Joseph Goebbels would be very proud of the edits.Now the thread looks all prim and proper..good job.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 19:40:05 (permalink)
LMAO!
 
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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 20:29:21 (permalink)
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Oh man, patience... lol my last two months have been nothing but RMA's and returns for refund. Partially because I can't make up my mind on what I want.
 
Originally bought a pair of GTX 970's and returned them as you know... I then purchased a Vizio P series 50" 4K TV - While it was an amazing looking monitor for my PC it had some set backs... Like literally cutting corners on the edge lit LED's. You had to kick up the brightens to about 80% for the corners to not look dimmer than the rest of the screen and it was too bright for my eyes. When I did return it and had to move back to my old 40" 1080p TV, it left a lot to be desired. I can't wait to get a nice 4K TV. Maybe later this year though.
 
I had a i7 3770K, I got a little greedy with performance and went for a delid on the processor to lower temps. I delided it, but I also popped a few capacitors off of it too and rendered it useless. I got lucky and Intel gave me a new one after RMA. I was really surprised. I ended up buying a i7 4790K and the Z87 board I have now from microcenter. I was getting frustrated with hanging boot times, so I ended up returning the i7 4790K and Z87 board. After looking at reviews and other peoples issues, I thought maybe it was a problem with Z87 and I needed a Z97 board, so I went back up to microcenter and bought a new i7 4790K again and a Asus Z97-AR board. The boot times didn't change one bit and I felt like I gave up a lot of features moving form the MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with WiFi and a bunch of other features... But I kept what I had...
 
During my whole delid issue, I didn't realize some stuff got into the CPU socket of my Z77 board and bent some pins pretty bad. One of the pins went missing... I sent that board in for RMA and when I got it back, the socket pins looked brand new and I ended up getting a i7 3770K back from Intel, so I figured... Hey, let's just return this i7 4790K and Z97 board and go back to the set-up I had originally that didn't have any issues... I did that and found out one of my hard drives took a crap and that's what was causing all of the hang ups on loading the operating system. It was a 3rd hard drive that I rarely ever use, so I never thought about it.
 
Over top of all of that... I got my second R9 290X Tri-X card and found out that if I try to run them in crossfire on my Asus P8Z77M-PRO board, they run too close together and the fans on the top card can't move because they are touching the back of the PCB of the second video card. Also... while trying to get the second R9 290X to fit in there, I ganked one of the capacitors to my on board sound, killing my on board sound to my motherboard... I went looking for a new motherboard to support my video cards. People must think their Z77 boards are made of gold, cause a lot of them want more than what it cost to buy a Z97 board... So I ended up selling my i7 3770K and buying a new i7 4790K again... LMAO I found my MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX on clearance as an open box item when when I was up at microcenter. I ended up buying it for $20 cheaper than I originally purchased it for.
 
Hahaha... almost forgot my Corsair CPU coolers. I'm currently on my 3rd one within 30 days. The first Corsair H105 started to crap out on me after the first week, the water pump was going bad and the LED on the CPU block was going dim and flickering. I returned it... Bought the corsair H110i GT... It was fantastic for like 5 hours. Then my CPU temps went up into the 80C range for no reason and the damn radiator fans would make an annoying racket when they would ramp up to 2800RPM's and when they did, it didn't help anything... I took it apart thinking maybe I needed to retry my thermal paste. I re applied some new thermal paste, but I over torqued the screws on the bracket and snapped two of them off making it useless... I went to look up neweggs return policy on it, to find out the H110i GT has been pulled and is currently being recalled by corsair. I got talked into a Corsair H90 by the dude up at microcenter after really looking into a NZXT Kraken X41. So far it's looking good, but it's only been like 4 hours since I got my PC back up and going.
 
All I've got to say is... Newegg and Microcenter has been flawless with returns. They have been taking everything back without question so far.




O.o.... Dude... >.<! Damn... Okay.. Going to say some people shouldn't tinker with things.. with all those RMA's and what not... dont tinker >>.<<

Damn... I have yet to run into an issue so far with Frames dropping to unplayable levels with my SLI.. so going to say that this thread has been debunked.




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Oh man, patience... lol my last two months have been nothing but RMA's and returns for refund. Partially because I can't make up my mind on what I want.
 
Originally bought a pair of GTX 970's and returned them as you know... I then purchased a Vizio P series 50" 4K TV - While it was an amazing looking monitor for my PC it had some set backs... Like literally cutting corners on the edge lit LED's. You had to kick up the brightens to about 80% for the corners to not look dimmer than the rest of the screen and it was too bright for my eyes. When I did return it and had to move back to my old 40" 1080p TV, it left a lot to be desired. I can't wait to get a nice 4K TV. Maybe later this year though.
 
I had a i7 3770K, I got a little greedy with performance and went for a delid on the processor to lower temps. I delided it, but I also popped a few capacitors off of it too and rendered it useless. I got lucky and Intel gave me a new one after RMA. I was really surprised. I ended up buying a i7 4790K and the Z87 board I have now from microcenter. I was getting frustrated with hanging boot times, so I ended up returning the i7 4790K and Z87 board. After looking at reviews and other peoples issues, I thought maybe it was a problem with Z87 and I needed a Z97 board, so I went back up to microcenter and bought a new i7 4790K again and a Asus Z97-AR board. The boot times didn't change one bit and I felt like I gave up a lot of features moving form the MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with WiFi and a bunch of other features... But I kept what I had...
 
During my whole delid issue, I didn't realize some stuff got into the CPU socket of my Z77 board and bent some pins pretty bad. One of the pins went missing... I sent that board in for RMA and when I got it back, the socket pins looked brand new and I ended up getting a i7 3770K back from Intel, so I figured... Hey, let's just return this i7 4790K and Z97 board and go back to the set-up I had originally that didn't have any issues... I did that and found out one of my hard drives took a crap and that's what was causing all of the hang ups on loading the operating system. It was a 3rd hard drive that I rarely ever use, so I never thought about it.
 
Over top of all of that... I got my second R9 290X Tri-X card and found out that if I try to run them in crossfire on my Asus P8Z77M-PRO board, they run too close together and the fans on the top card can't move because they are touching the back of the PCB of the second video card. Also... while trying to get the second R9 290X to fit in there, I ganked one of the capacitors to my on board sound, killing my on board sound to my motherboard... I went looking for a new motherboard to support my video cards. People must think their Z77 boards are made of gold, cause a lot of them want more than what it cost to buy a Z97 board... So I ended up selling my i7 3770K and buying a new i7 4790K again... LMAO I found my MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX on clearance as an open box item when when I was up at microcenter. I ended up buying it for $20 cheaper than I originally purchased it for.
 
Hahaha... almost forgot my Corsair CPU coolers. I'm currently on my 3rd one within 30 days. The first Corsair H105 started to crap out on me after the first week, the water pump was going bad and the LED on the CPU block was going dim and flickering. I returned it... Bought the corsair H110i GT... It was fantastic for like 5 hours. Then my CPU temps went up into the 80C range for no reason and the damn radiator fans would make an annoying racket when they would ramp up to 2800RPM's and when they did, it didn't help anything... I took it apart thinking maybe I needed to retry my thermal paste. I re applied some new thermal paste, but I over torqued the screws on the bracket and snapped two of them off making it useless... I went to look up neweggs return policy on it, to find out the H110i GT has been pulled and is currently being recalled by corsair. I got talked into a Corsair H90 by the dude up at microcenter after really looking into a NZXT Kraken X41. So far it's looking good, but it's only been like 4 hours since I got my PC back up and going.
 
All I've got to say is... Newegg and Microcenter has been flawless with returns. They have been taking everything back without question so far.




O.o.... Dude... >.<! Damn... Okay.. Going to say some people shouldn't tinker with things.. with all those RMA's and what not... dont tinker >>.<<

Damn... I have yet to run into an issue so far with Frames dropping to unplayable levels with my SLI.. so going to say that this thread has been debunked.




haha... Yeah, my Z77 set-up ended up a fiasco when I decided to make changes. If my GTX 970 set-up wouldn't have ended up micro stuttering in my games, I would have been content and I would not have gone for more.

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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 22:12:20 (permalink)
What games were making you Microstutter?? Honestly I haven't had any issues but maybe I can see if I get it..




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Re: GTX 970 in SLI Has a Major Issue no matter what brand. 2015/02/24 22:48:29 (permalink)
You have no issues with 970's in sli so the thread is debunked?  would you like ten more links proving this exists for some of us? Try and read the links in the first post. Maybe you know more then the tech websites that proved the issue exists, but i seriously doubt it.
 
 
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Oh man, patience... lol my last two months have been nothing but RMA's and returns for refund. Partially because I can't make up my mind on what I want.
 
Originally bought a pair of GTX 970's and returned them as you know... I then purchased a Vizio P series 50" 4K TV - While it was an amazing looking monitor for my PC it had some set backs... Like literally cutting corners on the edge lit LED's. You had to kick up the brightens to about 80% for the corners to not look dimmer than the rest of the screen and it was too bright for my eyes. When I did return it and had to move back to my old 40" 1080p TV, it left a lot to be desired. I can't wait to get a nice 4K TV. Maybe later this year though.
 
I had a i7 3770K, I got a little greedy with performance and went for a delid on the processor to lower temps. I delided it, but I also popped a few capacitors off of it too and rendered it useless. I got lucky and Intel gave me a new one after RMA. I was really surprised. I ended up buying a i7 4790K and the Z87 board I have now from microcenter. I was getting frustrated with hanging boot times, so I ended up returning the i7 4790K and Z87 board. After looking at reviews and other peoples issues, I thought maybe it was a problem with Z87 and I needed a Z97 board, so I went back up to microcenter and bought a new i7 4790K again and a Asus Z97-AR board. The boot times didn't change one bit and I felt like I gave up a lot of features moving form the MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with WiFi and a bunch of other features... But I kept what I had...
 
During my whole delid issue, I didn't realize some stuff got into the CPU socket of my Z77 board and bent some pins pretty bad. One of the pins went missing... I sent that board in for RMA and when I got it back, the socket pins looked brand new and I ended up getting a i7 3770K back from Intel, so I figured... Hey, let's just return this i7 4790K and Z97 board and go back to the set-up I had originally that didn't have any issues... I did that and found out one of my hard drives took a crap and that's what was causing all of the hang ups on loading the operating system. It was a 3rd hard drive that I rarely ever use, so I never thought about it.
 
Over top of all of that... I got my second R9 290X Tri-X card and found out that if I try to run them in crossfire on my Asus P8Z77M-PRO board, they run too close together and the fans on the top card can't move because they are touching the back of the PCB of the second video card. Also... while trying to get the second R9 290X to fit in there, I ganked one of the capacitors to my on board sound, killing my on board sound to my motherboard... I went looking for a new motherboard to support my video cards. People must think their Z77 boards are made of gold, cause a lot of them want more than what it cost to buy a Z97 board... So I ended up selling my i7 3770K and buying a new i7 4790K again... LMAO I found my MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX on clearance as an open box item when when I was up at microcenter. I ended up buying it for $20 cheaper than I originally purchased it for.
 
Hahaha... almost forgot my Corsair CPU coolers. I'm currently on my 3rd one within 30 days. The first Corsair H105 started to crap out on me after the first week, the water pump was going bad and the LED on the CPU block was going dim and flickering. I returned it... Bought the corsair H110i GT... It was fantastic for like 5 hours. Then my CPU temps went up into the 80C range for no reason and the damn radiator fans would make an annoying racket when they would ramp up to 2800RPM's and when they did, it didn't help anything... I took it apart thinking maybe I needed to retry my thermal paste. I re applied some new thermal paste, but I over torqued the screws on the bracket and snapped two of them off making it useless... I went to look up neweggs return policy on it, to find out the H110i GT has been pulled and is currently being recalled by corsair. I got talked into a Corsair H90 by the dude up at microcenter after really looking into a NZXT Kraken X41. So far it's looking good, but it's only been like 4 hours since I got my PC back up and going.
 
All I've got to say is... Newegg and Microcenter has been flawless with returns. They have been taking everything back without question so far.




O.o.... Dude... >.<! Damn... Okay.. Going to say some people shouldn't tinker with things.. with all those RMA's and what not... dont tinker >>.<<

Damn... I have yet to run into an issue so far with Frames dropping to unplayable levels with my SLI.. so going to say that this thread has been debunked.





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