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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 05:58:32
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Daz1967 I actually got an email from EVGA confirmed the RMA was complete along with confirmation of the collateral refund, which they say will take 3-5 days. That is far more reasonable and what I was expecting (not sure why it would ever take 7-14 days...) and while having to pay upfront for the replacement card and then be reimbursed once the old one is returned is not exactly my idea of customer-friendly (bearing in mind the card was faulty out of the box...), the RMA was otherwise dealt with quickly and, so far, my new card seems to be working fine. It even overclocks higher on the VRAM, currently at +400 MHz. My old one was only really stable up to +250 MHz.
The charge is because of cross-shipping. If it was an ordinary RMA where you returned the faulty product then they sent out a replacement, you would not have that temporary charge/hold. I'm sure you can understand that EVGA have to protect themselves - unfortunately there are people out there who would just keep both cards otherwise, but it's no reflection on you or me, we just have to put up with the consequences of the scammers. Enjoy the new card :)
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 06:35:40
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I don't think it's an actual charge...just a hold (similar to what a hotel does).
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 06:50:50
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ksgnow2010 I don't think it's an actual charge...just a hold (similar to what a hotel does).
Depends where you live I guess. Here in Germany they actually charged my credit card.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 06:57:57
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I should have clarified in the USA...sorry! :D
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 17:53:36
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It seems my second RMA card has the problem fixed. Played Battlefield 1 for several hours with no crash. Clock was at 2012MHz the whole time.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/28 18:46:08
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ElBartoME It seems my second RMA card has the problem fixed. Played Battlefield 1 for several hours with no crash. Clock was at 2012MHz the whole time.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 00:23:42
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ksgnow2010 I don't think it's an actual charge...just a hold (similar to what a hotel does).
Depends where you live I guess. Here in Germany they actually charged my credit card.
Same here. My credit card showed a charge of £722.21 for almost two weeks until it was refunded yesterday.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 04:29:52
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i had 2 x black screen & full fan speed today with 1070 SC gaming Black Edition (08G-P4-5173) it also happened for the first time about a week ago, each time PC was idling on desktop and no manual OC..it hasn't happened during gaming. i can't be bothered RMA it now only when it fails regularly i will.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 07:11:44
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Recently, there are many customers wanting to know more details about the EVGA GeForce 1080 FTW “Black Screen” issue and we believe we need to make a clear statement to clear all kinds of speculation. The EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW “Black Screen” issue was fixed as of the first week of September and this has been confirmed by all users who have received the replacement units with the issue resolved. Also, all new production has been confirmed to not have this issue after the first week of September. This previous black screen issue was caused by On Semiconductor (VRM IC Manufacturer) VRM IC’s being out of spec, triggering the OCP (Over Current Protection) and will not cause any damage to your system. The percentage of the IC’s that were out of spec has been confirmed by On Semiconductor and is approximately 3% to 4%. Since then, EVGA and On Semiconductor have worked out the solution and RMA replacement action a couple months ago as we stated above. At this moment, all of the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW’s have been corrected and all products in the field are working properly. If you have any questions, please contact our support directly at: support@evga.com. Thanks, EVGA
'recently'.... 'we believe'.... You let this thing go on for what, 2 months while people want an explanation and now you come with one. That's not believing, that is called surrendering with a knife at your throat. And now I get to open up my cards and put on thermal pads, because 'no, there is no problem with the cards, it's just a service for people who want cooler cards', yeah right like I want to take the risk not putting them on... I can not believe that there are actually people that cheer at you guys for doing what you should not have to be doing in the first place. EVGA cards... The gift that keeps on giving.
First, you guys (yes, you guys) complain, complain, complain (and complain some more) about stocks not available. Nvidia/EVGA provide "different" solutions to try and satisfy the community and customers by giving an alternate solution to provide stock. Now another problem has arrise, and now you complain complain complain again. WHy dont you give them time to fix their issues? They're human just like you. Yes, they have engineers, but engineers have to diagnose and do trial and errors just like us on our PCs. Take a pill; chill. Let them fix the problem. Like little kids who can't get their hand in the cookie jar...We'll all sit and wait for the next rant.
What have you done on your end to try to get the card working? Have you tried Debug Mode? Have you tried to under-clock the card a bit to see if you can get any stability? Have you tried cranking the fans full speed and under-clock the card?
You must come from another planet than me. The planet I'm from, I expect when I buy something for it to work properly instead of me being the beta-tester.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 07:22:36
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the bs 100% issue is also affecting the GTX 1070 FTW cards? I read there some faulty out of spec resistors have been used in some FTW cards as the 1070/1080 FTW cards share the same PCB and I wonder if the 1070 FTW cards have the same issue or using the out of spec IC's? http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2564890
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 07:35:26
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happened again 3 times in a short period..iv'e started the RMA process.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 07:55:04
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The thing is, even if all the new cards which have shipped since the fix was applied do not have this issue anymore, there can always be old stock around that might still show this behaviour. So we cannot deduct that this is "not fixed" simply by people still having this issue. There are factors like where they have bought it, when they actually did order it, if RMA to where and when (as EVGA has confirmed that EU had some old stock cards which have been sent out) and of course HOW they treated the cards. If any additional overclock happened or not. So far, many posters here which said their card crapped out did not mention the latter esp. OR expect the card to be working properly even with a mild overclock. Even if the FTW is running at a higher clock (by factory OCing it), it is still advertized by the baseline clocks of the reference board or with a rather conservative statement. Thus any clock in excess of that is a bonus. Going beyond that cannot be expected to be stable and any BS + 100% issue happening in that situation must be seen as a different issue than this happening at default settings (no additional overclock, default fan curve). Only by this we as users could be capable of providing help for each other as we establish a baseline from which any deviation can help pinpoint the cause. The right thing to do is of course to test each card after assembly with a burn-in test. As EVGA obviously tried to be smart about their production costs, I expect only basic tests to be made on occasion and not with each item. This explains this situation but does of course not excuse it. For the future, I would recommend being more thorough with QC. THAT is, what a manufacturer brand lives by in the end. Not damage control aka customer service, however nice and very helpful it may be.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:07:22
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hellos. I do not speak English very well;) I wonder if the heating problem of FTW also concerned the 1080 gtx ACX 3.0?
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:08:57
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Matimote hellos. I do not speak English very well;) I wonder if the heating problem of FTW also concerned the 1080 gtx ACX 3.0?
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Yes :( In the meantime, if you were planning to buy any dual fan GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 from EVGA we would advise you to hold off that purchase until new units equipped with the thermal mod are rolled out. We would highly recommend that all existing EVGA GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 owners opt for the thermal mod as soon as possible to avoid any hardware damage. Sadly, this and the memory issue which affects GTX 1070 cards from a number manufacturers, including EVGA, makes owners of Nvidia’s most popular card also the least fortunate. http://wccftech.com/nvidi...1070-evga-cards-dying/
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:11:37
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bissagars Yes :( In the meantime, if you were planning to buy any dual fan GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 from EVGA we would advise you to hold off that purchase until new units equipped with the thermal mod are rolled out. We would highly recommend that all existing EVGA GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 owners opt for the thermal mod as soon as possible to avoid any hardware damage. Sadly, this and the memory issue which affects GTX 1070 cards from a number manufacturers, including EVGA, makes owners of Nvidia’s most popular card also the least fortunate. http://wccftech.com/nvidi...1070-evga-cards-dying/
Does this definitely include the Classified card ? all I've seen mentioned so far from people is the SC and FTW cards with nothing mentioned about the Classifieds from EVGA.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:13:15
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bissagars Yes :( In the meantime, if you were planning to buy any dual fan GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 from EVGA we would advise you to hold off that purchase until new units equipped with the thermal mod are rolled out. We would highly recommend that all existing EVGA GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 owners opt for the thermal mod as soon as possible to avoid any hardware damage. Sadly, this and the memory issue which affects GTX 1070 cards from a number manufacturers, including EVGA, makes owners of Nvidia’s most popular card also the least fortunate. http://wccftech.com/nvidi...1070-evga-cards-dying/
Does this definitely include the Classified card ? all I've seen mentioned so far from people is the SC and FTW cards with nothing mentioned about the Classifieds from EVGA.
It should be affected too, the classified is based on the same cooler but you don't see much reports on the classified due the limitation and low supply for this card. that's why much reports are on the GTX 1070 FTW (the most popular card), there is already 3 or 4 photos showing this specific model catching fire using the ACX 3.0 cooler.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:15:39
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bissagars It should be affected too, the classified is based on the same cooler but you don't see much reports on the classified due the limitation and low supply for this card.
Annoying, I only got my Classified yesterday but I put in my request for the pads as soon as I got it to be on the safe side. In the mean while I've not overclocked it and I've put on an aggressive fan curve to keep temps in check with really good airflow in my case, again just to be on the safe side until I get the pads on.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:22:32
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bissagars It should be affected too, the classified is based on the same cooler but you don't see much reports on the classified due the limitation and low supply for this card.
Annoying, I only got my Classified yesterday but I put in my request for the pads as soon as I got it to be on the safe side. In the mean while I've not overclocked it and I've put on an aggressive fan curve to keep temps in check with really good airflow in my case, again just to be on the safe side until I get the pads on.
Well, I have a sealed GTX 1070 FTW beside me now and I don't know what I should do, I bought the card 2 months ago and it is just sitting on my desk and returning this card for refund is going to cost me $150 just to ship it back. If you ask me why I didn't use the card till today, it is because I had already the GTX 1070 SC ACX and I was waiting to sell the SC and install the FTW and at the end I have 2 cards affected and I don't know what I will do. I really lost my faith in EVGA, sending this cards back is going to cost me a new GTX 1070, so my only option is sell both cards with loss and let the other persons deal with thermal pads and BS issues.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:36:06
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Even if my card and cooled by a waterblock?
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 08:39:58
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bissagars Well, I have a sealed GTX 1070 FTW beside me now and I don't know what I should do, I bought the card 2 months ago and it is just sitting on my desk and returning this card for refund is going to cost me $150 just to ship it back. If you ask me why I didn't use the card till today, it is because I had already the GTX 1070 SC ACX and I was waiting to sell the SC and install the FTW and at the end I have 2 cards affected and I don't know what I will do. I really lost my faith in EVGA, sending this cards back is going to cost me a new GTX 1070, so my only option is sell both cards with loss and let the other persons deal with thermal pads and BS issues.
Personally bud I'd just wait to get the pads, Install them, will take like 10 minutes maybe and you'll be golden. Matimote Even if my card and cooled by a waterblock?
You're not using a card with the ACX cooling system
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 09:25:04
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at the base if, as the problem is on the side of the backplate is that I have the original : /
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 09:33:31
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Matimote at the base if, as the problem is on the side of the backplate is that I have the original : /
I think you'll still be ok as the problem pertains to cards with the ACX 3.0 cooler only.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 16:38:30
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Was about to buy a 1080 FTW from Fry's and was going to see if I could check the ship date on them before I buy. If they are the ones after the 9/1/16 ship date should I still be worried?
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 16:42:00
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iv'e got a reply from tech support to try my 1070 in another PC to confirm there's a problem before proceeding with a RMA. i just read a article that 1080 & 1070 EVGA Cards Reportedly Catching Fire & Dying Due To VRMs Overheating...i'm not keen on testing my 1070 in a friends PC in case it burns.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/29 18:00:52
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So would the FTW Hybrid be safe to buy?
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/30 03:51:52
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I do have a question: is this issue (black screen, fans at 100 percent) the same issue as the burned out VRMs caused by lack of VRM heatsink (hence those optional thermal pads), or are we talking about 2 separate issues? Since EVGA Jacob stated in this thread black screens are not related to heat (where as burned out cards clearly are, right?), i would think these are 2 different problems. Or am i wrong?
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/30 04:00:56
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There are several things going on. First: There is no overheating issue that EVGA can confirm. Second: There has been a batch with faulty VRM. These may cause the black screen AND may cause the combustion in rare cases. This issue has been fixed with batches released after 30/8 Third: Every component put under so much stress like a GPU may fail without the manufacturer anticipating it.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/31 05:47:32
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For everyone asking. There are two unrelated issues. First is the fact that thermal pads were not installed between the backplate and the PCB and between the baseplate and the heatsink fins causing the certain 1080's and 1070's to get very hot while still staying within acceptable levels. This would effect your ability to overclock. Newly manufactured cards are shipping with the installed thermal pads and EVGA will provide older card owners with a kit to install the pads themselves or you can send in your card and they will be installed. Although EVGA insists that you can use the card without the thermal pads, there are many reports emerging online of cards without thermal pads melting, burning or catching fire. Most likely happening due to a combination of heavy overclocking, no thermal pads and stress testing. Second, the BS100% issue was caused by On Semiconductor (VRM IC Manufacturer) VRM IC’s being out of spec, triggering the OCP (Over Current Protection) causing the screen to black out and fans to go to 100%. This causes no damage to the card but any card with out of spec VRM IC's needs to be RMA'd and replaced. EVGA claim that cards manufactured after September 1st have correct spec VRM IC's. Hope this helps a few people.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/31 06:21:42
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charlemagnes_joy For everyone asking. There are two unrelated issues. First is the fact that thermal pads were not installed between the backplate and the PCB and between the baseplate and the heatsink fins causing the certain 1080's and 1070's to get very hot while still staying within acceptable levels. This would effect your ability to overclock. Newly manufactured cards (After Sept 8th apparently) are shipping with the installed thermal pads and EVGA will provide older card owners with a kit to install the pads themselves or you can send in your card and they will be installed. Although EVGA insists that you can use the card without the thermal pads, there are many reports emerging online of cards without thermal pads melting, burning or catching fire. Most likely happening due to a combination of heavy overclocking, no thermal pads and stress testing. Second, the BS100% issue was caused by On Semiconductor (VRM IC Manufacturer) VRM IC’s being out of spec, triggering the OCP (Over Current Protection) causing the screen to black out and fans to go to 100%. This causes no damage to the card but any card with out of spec VRM IC's needs to be RMA'd and replaced. Hope this helps a few people.
Good post but I have to ask (again) why all this information is not posted as a sticky in the main forum for newcomers to find easily? All the information posted in this thread will eventually get lost as more posts are added or the thread slips onto page 2 of the forum, meaning people experiencing the issue in the future will not be able to find information on what the issue is and what they should do to get it fixed.
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Re: GTX 1080 FTW - Black screen & fans spin up to 100%
2016/10/31 06:32:12
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The part about BS100% is now stuck on the first post on this thread which is a helpful move from EVGA, so thanks. The other part about the thermal pads is not mentioned here by EVGA as it is totally separate and has nothing to do with the BS100% issue. The thermal pads issue has been popularized by a post on Toms Hardware showing very high VRM temps during heavy bench marking caused by less than perfect thermal planning on EVGA's part. Some people have come forward as a result and said that there card has got so hot that its started to burn. People with the BS100% issue have seen this and assumed both are related (as I did at first) and have started conflating the two. EVGA have addressed this on another post which I basically copied to put in here. EVGA are probably right to keep the issues separate to stop more people thinking they are linked.
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