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If I buy any other Evga 1080ti, the GPU quality is completely random?
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/14 14:43:26
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Yep. The Kingpin card is guaranteed at least 2025 mhz as long as you can keep the card at 65c or lower.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/14 14:50:44
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Thing is, most 1080 Tis overclock stably to 1950 to 2050MHz. A few are above and below that spread, but it's a much smaller amount. Under an AIO water cooler my 1080 Ti FE boosts to 1950 by itself, touching nothing.
If you want temporary bragging rights, or plan on exotic cooling (phase change, LN2) then go with the Kingpin. If you want great performance at a lower price-point and have the room in your case, get a hybrid. If you want an AIO watercooled setup that can be used on your next card after the 1080 Ti, get a compatible AIO watercooler and universal bracket and install it on the 1080 Ti of your choice.
Oh, and I forgot that if you leave the cooler on the Kingin it has RGB lighting. If that's your cuppa.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/14 15:03:29
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/14 15:05:09
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Going above ~1000mV on core seems to destroy the fps/W ratio on 1080ti.
With 4K gaming memory overclock goes nicely 100% into fps, but increasing core speed raises power consumption by 5-7% for each 1% fps increase...
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/14 16:48:35
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Binning is a very specific process of choosing a die solely on ASIC quality. The Kingpin Dies are pre-tested to make sure they can sustain the higher 2025 Mhz clock, but they are not 'binned' in the traditional sense.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 00:35:01
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Binning is a very specific process of choosing a die solely on ASIC quality. The Kingpin Dies are pre-tested to make sure they can sustain the higher 2025 Mhz clock, but they are not 'binned' in the traditional sense.
Interesting, this testing is done in the manufacturing factory? To avoid failed Kingpin cards obviously the GPU is tested somehow before it is installed on a Kingpin PCB. If a GPU fails this pre-selection, is the GPU installed on a random Evga or other brand 1080ti PCB? Also, there's a >10% difference in power consumption whether the 2025MHz is achieved @ 1,025V or 1,075V which varies by GPU quality. The increased power consumption increases noise & temps, and higher temps increase power leakage raising power consumption (-> more noise & temps) even further. A vicious cycle indeed!
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 07:05:37
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To be honest with you, my old K|NGP|N did worse than my current FTW3 (silicon lotery). Where the K|NGP|N hits 2000MHz at 1093mV by default, my FTW3 hits 2000MHz at 1062mV by default.
My FTW3 with slave bios runs 2126MHz at 1093mV where the K|NG|PN did 2114MHz at 1093mV with it's LN2 bios. My opinion is that you should not buy the K|NGP|N as an average customer.
Those cards are for the die hard overclockers who like to push the card to it's limit with LN2. Besides that, it's weird it only has 2x8pin. My FTW3 with XOC bios hits 517watt at only 1200mV 2164MHz (very high for 2x8pin).
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 07:13:15
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To be honest with you, my old K|NGP|N did worse than my current FTW3 (silicon lotery). Where the K|NGP|N hits 2000MHz at 1093mV by default, my FTW3 hits 2000MHz at 1062mV by default.
My FTW3 with slave bios runs 2126MHz at 1093mV where the K|NG|PN did 2114MHz at 1093mV with it's LN2 bios. My opinion is that you should not buy the K|NGP|N as an average customer.
Those cards are for the die hard overclockers who like to push the card to it's limit with LN2. Besides that, it's weird it only has 2x8pin. My FTW3 with XOC bios hits 517watt at only 1200mV 2164MHz (very high for 2x8pin).
You should always buy your video cards based upon need and budget. Remember that not all FTW3 cards will perform as well as yours whereby the Kingpin has a guaranteed clock as Sajin mentioned. It's always good as a consumer to research any video card you want to purchase.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 07:34:23
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Nervoize
To be honest with you, my old K|NGP|N did worse than my current FTW3 (silicon lotery). Where the K|NGP|N hits 2000MHz at 1093mV by default, my FTW3 hits 2000MHz at 1062mV by default.
My FTW3 with slave bios runs 2126MHz at 1093mV where the K|NG|PN did 2114MHz at 1093mV with it's LN2 bios. My opinion is that you should not buy the K|NGP|N as an average customer.
Those cards are for the die hard overclockers who like to push the card to it's limit with LN2. Besides that, it's weird it only has 2x8pin. My FTW3 with XOC bios hits 517watt at only 1200mV 2164MHz (very high for 2x8pin).
You should always buy your video cards based upon need and budget. Remember that not all FTW3 cards will perform as well as yours whereby the Kingpin has a guaranteed clock as Sajin mentioned. It's always good as a consumer to research any video card you want to purchase.
Excellent point. And on that note, if you already own a 1080Ti which comes close to, meets, or exceeds the minimum advertised specifications of the Kingpin, you absolutely should be very cautious of purchasing a Kingpin card.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 08:47:38
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Yeah, because they don't advertise the voltage that is used for 2025MHz in Kingpin cards, there are no guarantees that Kingpin card overclocks any better (above 2025MHz) than a random 2x 8pin 1080ti.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 17:11:34
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Nervoize
To be honest with you, my old K|NGP|N did worse than my current FTW3 (silicon lotery). Where the K|NGP|N hits 2000MHz at 1093mV by default, my FTW3 hits 2000MHz at 1062mV by default.
My FTW3 with slave bios runs 2126MHz at 1093mV where the K|NG|PN did 2114MHz at 1093mV with it's LN2 bios. My opinion is that you should not buy the K|NGP|N as an average customer.
Those cards are for the die hard overclockers who like to push the card to it's limit with LN2. Besides that, it's weird it only has 2x8pin. My FTW3 with XOC bios hits 517watt at only 1200mV 2164MHz (very high for 2x8pin).
You should always buy your video cards based upon need and budget. Remember that not all FTW3 cards will perform as well as yours whereby the Kingpin has a guaranteed clock as Sajin mentioned. It's always good as a consumer to research any video card you want to purchase.
Yes, i agree on that. That's why you should not really need to buy a K|NGP|N card if you're not going to at least a waterblock on it with custom bios. The stock bioses are imo.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/15 22:23:57
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I have the Kingpin, and you won't be disappointed. 
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/16 04:50:09
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I have the Kingpin, and you won't be disappointed.
What's your typical gaming frequency for core/mem and what's the voltage & temp when the fans are silent?
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/16 05:34:08
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I have the Kingpin, and you won't be disappointed.
I have a vanilla GTX 1080 for less than $500. And you won't be disappointed. 2100 MHz gaming.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2017/10/16 18:49:54
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/16 05:52:44
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Guess it's not allowed by Nvidia to get 100x 1080ti and then sell them for a premium according to the OC results :)
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/16 18:14:45
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Binning is a very specific process of choosing a die solely on ASIC quality. The Kingpin Dies are pre-tested to make sure they can sustain the higher 2025 Mhz clock, but they are not 'binned' in the traditional sense.
And... this is why Nvidia no longer has ASIC quality scores available to anyone.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/10/17 01:21:09
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Product improvement suggestion: Switch the 11gbps mem chips with the faster 12gbps D9VRN for all Kingpin cards manufactured from now on :)
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/12/02 14:08:04
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There *are* some non clock speed advantages here covered at GN. I purchased the KP based on an extraordinary power phase layout and memory routing which translates directly into what one would like to see on a 24/7 server card. I actually intend to UNDERCLOCK while running a proof of concept learning rig. I am going by evga’s own specs showing a 12 stackup pcb and way, way overkill on voltage regulation (a good thing) The same componentry that makes a card a great “extreme overclocker”, by logic would make it a plough-hourse for 24/7 number crunching. This card is a MONSTER. It does provide a warm and fuzzy feeling that it simply will not fail. I would humbly suggest that it is boderline overkill as a practical matter for even the most extreme gamer. If this card is not intended to pay for itself in a commercial setting, then it’s something of a vanity purchase. But hey, it’s a beautiful piece of kit in it’s own right.
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/12/02 16:12:21
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Also great for World Records  Climbing the record charts is what some people like to do Its cheap compared to those work station cards, used in many commercial applications
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Re: 1080ti Kingpin is the only binned card EVGA has?
2017/12/03 10:00:49
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Also great for World Records
Climbing the record charts is what some people like to do
Its cheap compared to those work station cards, used in many commercial applications
Spot on. This is actually a tremendously good deal of a card when you look at it from workstation cards - which it bests in many regards. Not at all interested in donating a kidney to pay for ecc and high double precision. Supremely well made. Kudos EVGA! Very happy with purchase. Only slightly disappointed did not wait a couple days for the hydro version - but my “project” is gonna take a while. Perhaps for the best. Gonna have to go with an entirely new case I can already tell - perhaps a caselabs bullet eatx or magnum. That will kick the can down the road further. The coolermaster is just going to be too difficult to mod (at least for me)
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