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Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:09 PM (permalink)
Hi All,

I just upgraded my current rig to a GTX 1080 EVGA FTW edition. The card I've been hunting for over two months.

After installing everything and having to upgrade my PSU to a 750 Plat, which is also an EVGA part, I seem to be underwhelmed by the results.

I am a regular Tom Clancy The Division player and am quite puzzled at why my FPS is not higher.

My Results after running the benchmark utility over three times are the following:
AVG FPS: 74
TYPICAL FPS: 75
AVG CPU UTILIZATION: 72%
AVG GPU UTILIZATION: 96%

All at max settings at 1920x1080 @ 144HZ refresh with the latest drivers

Current Rig Stats:

i5 4670K overclocked to 4.4 Ghz
16 GB of Ram
250 GB SSD
EVGA FTW GTX 1080 stock clock speed

Is this what I should expect? Because if this is what I supposed to expected, compared to all the advertised benchmark results. This is low.

I even did a clean wipe of all my current drivers using the 3dGuru utility and was able to gain an additional 10 FPS.

I was expecting the FPS to be bouncing off the charts. HELP.

Update 8/1-----------—

Hi All,
 
I thought I would do a follow up...seems like the bottleneck exists on the CPU side.  
 
I ran the free demo of 3dMark and my results are listed below.  This is the new TimeSpy one...
 
I don't know how to embed it in here.
 
Overall Score: 6210
Graphics Score: 7232 (I'm assuming this is really good)
CPU Score: 3449 (this seems like trash)
 
h ttp://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13798724
post edited by supermut555 - Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:12 AM
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:23 PM (permalink)
    those numbers seem a bit low, like you're running 1440p
     
    looks like you should have about 100fps at least running 1080p..
    you using win 10 ?
    using just one monitor ?
     

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:29 PM (permalink)
    Heya, I actually had the same thing as you. I was running 1080p @ 144hz and seemed very underwhelmed by the ingame performance. Thing is, with certain games the CPU just can't keep up with the GPU at the higher framerates. So decided to upgrade to 1440p and I couldn't be any happier. Except for the fact that I have to return the monitor because of a dead pixel lol. 
     
    I am running 4670k @ 4.4 as well btw. 
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:54 PM (permalink)
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    those numbers seem a bit low, like you're running 1440p
     
    looks like you should have about 100fps at least running 1080p..
    you using win 10 ?
    using just one monitor ?
     


    Hi Joseph,

    Thanks for replying. I am running one monitor with the refresh rate set in Microsoft at 144hz on displayport.

    Monitor is an Asus VG248
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:56 PM (permalink)
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    Heya, I actually had the same thing as you. I was running 1080p @ 144hz and seemed very underwhelmed by the ingame performance. Thing is, with certain games the CPU just can't keep up with the GPU at the higher framerates. So decided to upgrade to 1440p and I couldn't be any happier. Except for the fact that I have to return the monitor because of a dead pixel lol. 
     
    I am running 4670k @ 4.4 as well btw. 


    Hi FullJ,

    So are we saying that it is game optimization related? Or is it CPU bottlenecking?

    If it is CPU bottlenecking I might as well just upgrade my entire system. Basically build another system haha...

    Here's looking at you i7 6700k
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:10 PM (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum supermut555
     
    Maybe you can post some Fire Strike Benchmarks and the Links to them for us to review.
    Links would be like this as you cannot post them yet:
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9394581 you can post this part /fs/9394581 of the link.
    Intel® Core™ i5-4670K Processor Only has Four Cores and No (Intel® HT Technology) so your CPU most likely is why your FPS are low.
    Is the Intel® HD Graphics 4600 disabled in your Bios?
    Also what are your complete Computer Specifications.
    MB Make Model
    Is your MB Bios current?
    What Background programs are running?
    WHAT OS Version are you Running?
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:13 PM (permalink)
    Supermutt, the problem is most likely thermal throttling. Monitor your temps using EVGA Precision and let us know the results. Look for frame rate drops or caps when GPU temps reach ~80C. Thanks and good luck! And FYI, this is the very reason why I switched to liquid cooling on all of my graphics cards ;-)
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:21 PM (permalink)
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    Heya, I actually had the same thing as you. I was running 1080p @ 144hz and seemed very underwhelmed by the ingame performance. Thing is, with certain games the CPU just can't keep up with the GPU at the higher framerates. So decided to upgrade to 1440p and I couldn't be any happier. Except for the fact that I have to return the monitor because of a dead pixel lol. 
     
    I am running 4670k @ 4.4 as well btw. 


    Hi FullJ,

    So are we saying that it is game optimization related? Or is it CPU bottlenecking?

    If it is CPU bottlenecking I might as well just upgrade my entire system. Basically build another system haha...

    Here's looking at you i7 6700k



    Well unfortunately it's not that simple haha. I noticed with some CPU intensive games like GTA 5 and The Witcher 3, the CPU would really bottleneck the GPU like really HARD on 1080p. With other games not so. Yeah you could build another system, but tbh I would go for a new monitor, 1440p is really nice. You could really put your 1080 to good heavy use on that resolution and therefore not having it pushing 'too many' frames for the CPU to keep up with. 
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:11 PM (permalink)
    Do you have NVIDIA HFTS enabled? it's a new type of shadow detail,
     
    http://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/tom-clancys-the-division/tom-clancys-the-division-shadow-quality-interactive-comparison-001-nvidia-hfts-vs-nvidia-pcss.html
     
    I read some steam posts, if you have this enabled, it will easy reduce your FPS by at least 20 FPS. The other thing is, Ubisoft aren't well known for making good quality PC ports. you might have the best system going, but a poorly optimised game won't run that well regardless.
     
    I would as others suggest, try the firestrike benchmark, and some other games. I think the lowish FPS is game related, not hardware.
     
     
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:11 PM (permalink)
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    Hi FullJ,

    So are we saying that it is game optimization related? Or is it CPU bottlenecking?

    If it is CPU bottlenecking I might as well just upgrade my entire system. Basically build another system haha...

    Here's looking at you i7 6700k



    Why would your CPU utilization be 70% if your CPU was causing a bottleneck?  The minimal evidence so far doesn't seem to point to CPU bottleneck... Something is definitely up... The guy who mentioned throttling might be on to something... Try manually setting your fan speed to 100% and running the tests again, have EVGA precision utility up and have Core Temp open if you can on a second monitor, or have an overlay and watch GPU frequency/CPU load while benchmark runs.
     
    That being said, I'm also a long time division player and with the GTX 1060 I was testing, I was getting 60fps constantly without any dips on max settings and a i7 2600k sandy bridge cpu, I would imagine your setup should be capable of double what i'm getting.. so 120fps or so.  Aren't you over the division at this point?  The poor game is just whittling away to nothing... :(
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:51 PM (permalink)
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    Welcome to the Forum
     
    Maybe you can post some Fire Strike Benchmarks and the Links to them for us to review.
    Links would be like this as you cannot post them yet:
     you can post this part /fs/9394581 of the link.
     Only has Four Cores and No (Intel® HT Technology) so your CPU most likely is why your FPS are low.
    Is the Intel® HD Graphics 4600 disabled in your Bios?
    Also what are your complete Computer Specifications.
    MB Make Model
    Is your MB Bios current?
    What Background programs are running?
    WHAT OS Version are you Running?


    Hi all,

    Thanks for the replies!

    I will try a combination of things when I get back home tomorrow.

    3dmark Firestrike benchmark
    Evga utility ocmax to monitor for thermal throttling
    Additional settings on my the division benchmarks

    I will post my findings after it is done.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:27 PM (permalink)
    i have a 6 core 980x x58 chip clocked at 4.0ghz and notice that it holds back the gtx1080 a little as well. It's not only the clock speed but the older architecture, pcie 2.0 etc. Individually they are small limitations in bandwidth compared to modern systems but they add up to make up to a 10% difference or more in scores. Like said above just run 3DMark and compare other systems with similar specs to see if your GPU score is in line with them.

    i noticed low CPU usage during my 3dmark tests. I'm not sure what's going on but in game performance is fine for me, i upgraded from gtx480 3xsli so it didn't take much to satisify me lol

    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9090038

    as you can see, great 1080 card overclocking wise. but limited by my cpu/ram. need about 4.4 ghz to really let the 1080 breathe from what I can see across the top tier scores



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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:48 PM (permalink)
    This guy worked on a SLI profile for that game to help gain performance:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu8lFyqAzns
     
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:17 PM (permalink)
    If you are running a chip on the x58 platform, you're missing a good 50%+ improvement in performance per MHz over current chips. It's not just bus speeds sliding you down. Architectural improvements are slow and steady, but add up over time.


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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:57 PM (permalink)
    ipkha
    If you are running a chip on the x58 platform, you're missing a good 50%+ improvement in performance per MHz over current chips. It's not just bus speeds sliding you down. Architectural improvements are slow and steady, but add up over time.

    50% is quite an exaggeration... Its probably something like 10-20% bottleneck depending on the specs of the LGA1366 chips, and what overclock he is running.
     
    EDIT: Misread, saw you were comparing clock for clock improvement over previous generation processors. Even so, an i7 920 is not going to bottleneck a GTX1080 that much at 1080p.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 0:02 PM (permalink)
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    If you are running a chip on the x58 platform, you're missing a good 50%+ improvement in performance per MHz over current chips. It's not just bus speeds sliding you down. Architectural improvements are slow and steady, but add up over time.

    50% is quite an exaggeration... Its probably something like 10-20% bottleneck depending on the specs of the LGA1366 chips, and what overclock he is running.


    Maybe between the X58 and the X79 but when it comes to the X58 and X99 it is 40% to 50% improvement in overall performance.

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 0:05 PM (permalink)
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    Hi All,

    I just upgraded my current rig to a GTX 1080 EVGA FTW edition. The card I've been hunting for over two months.

    After installing everything and having to upgrade my PSU to a 750 Plat, which is also an EVGA part, I seem to be underwhelmed by the results.

    I am a regular Tom Clancy The Division player and am quite puzzled at why my FPS is not higher.

    My Results after running the benchmark utility over three times are the following:
    AVG FPS: 74
    TYPICAL FPS: 75
    AVG CPU UTILIZATION: 72%
    AVG GPU UTILIZATION: 96%

    All at max settings at 1920x1080 @ 144HZ refresh with the latest drivers

    Current Rig Stats:

    i5 4670K overclocked to 4.4 Ghz
    16 GB of Ram
    250 GB SSD
    EVGA FTW GTX 1080 stock clock speed

    Is this what I should expect? Because if this is what I supposed to expected, compared to all the advertised benchmark results. This is low.

    I even did a clean wipe of all my current drivers using the 3dGuru utility and was able to gain an additional 10 FPS.

    I was expecting the FPS to be bouncing off the charts. HELP.



    That is about right for your system honestly, especially if you are running max AF, max AA, max texture, shadows,etc - Most reviews say "max detail" or something similar, they do not say what AA level they used, chances are the AA was left off, and they just went max everything else and got the numbers they posted.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 0:11 PM (permalink)
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    ipkha
    If you are running a chip on the x58 platform, you're missing a good 50%+ improvement in performance per MHz over current chips. It's not just bus speeds sliding you down. Architectural improvements are slow and steady, but add up over time.

    50% is quite an exaggeration... Its probably something like 10-20% bottleneck depending on the specs of the LGA1366 chips, and what overclock he is running.


    Maybe between the X58 and the X79 but when it comes to the X58 and X99 it is 40% to 50% improvement in overall performance.




    Overall performance is relative - If you really got down to it, unless the game is highly CPU intensive, then theres not much to be gained - 90%+ of the games out there today are still heavily GPU weighted, only with DX12 are they becoming more CPU intensive.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 1:07 AM (permalink)
    If it helps at all.  On the latest drivers, a 5820k at 4.4 and 980TI sli I am only getting 78.6 fps on 1440p for comparison purposes.  I know you said you are at 1440p.
     
    1080P was 105.0.  All settings on ultra. 
     
     

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 9:05 PM (permalink)
    Are you running AA or vsync? If so, please describe your exact settings for those two parameters.

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 9:54 PM (permalink)
    Did you try looking at this :
     
    LINK
    http://forums.evga.com/Basic-troubleshooting-steps-Windows-clean-boot-clean-driver-install-debug-mode-etc-m2504606.aspx
     
     
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    This happens a lot with GTA V specifically if you are running with a single threaded Quad-Core CPU. We made this guide based off of my own experience with the issue with the game running an OC'd i5-4670K and a GTX Titan where my FPS was stuttering and awful at 1080p and was smoother at 4k due to the bottleneck being placed on the GPU rather than the CPU at the higher resolution. Likely it is just the buggy game not utilizing the CPU like it should and this guide should help:
    http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmmain.aspx?faqid=59641
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 PM (permalink)
    @zenfolder:
     
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    - Post FX AA off,
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Monday, August 01, 2016 11:54 PM (permalink)
    I have weird issues with every ubisoft game that came out in the last year or so. They really do not optimize well. 

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 2:16 AM (permalink)
    I am getting avg 97 fps in Division with everything set to ultra. Windows 10/ I7 980@ 3.8ghz/ 24 gb ram@ 1600/ 1tb ssd/ Zotac GTX1080 extreme stock settings. My first time in over 15 years with a non EVGA card, only one I could get my hands on(non founders edition). forgot to mention 1920 x 1080p on 27" 120hz monitor.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:19 AM (permalink)
    Hi All,
     
    I thought I would do a follow up...seems like the bottleneck exists on the CPU side.  
     
    I ran the free demo of 3dMark and my results are listed below.  This is the new TimeSpy one...
     
    I don't know how to embed it in here.
     
    Overall Score: 6210
    Graphics Score: 7232 (I'm assuming this is really good)
    CPU Score: 3449 (this seems like trash)
     
    h ttp://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13798724
     
     
     
    post edited by supermut555 - Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:27 AM
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:43 AM (permalink)
    ragevirusqq
    I have weird issues with every ubisoft game that came out in the last year or so. They really do not optimize well. 


    You have 2 980TIs and you're having horrible performance on every Ubisoft game? Wow... No issues here. I think it's on your end.

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:55 AM (permalink)
    I tend to agree with stalinx20.  I am generally pretty solid with my Ubisoft games as well.  The only game that seems to run funky from time to time is the Division.  This isn't me saying it has any issues running.  It just from time to time will randomly drop FPS for no apparent reason.  Next time I load the game up, it won't drop in the same spots. 

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:39 PM (permalink)
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    If you are running a chip on the x58 platform, you're missing a good 50%+ improvement in performance per MHz over current chips. It's not just bus speeds sliding you down. Architectural improvements are slow and steady, but add up over time.

    50% is quite an exaggeration... Its probably something like 10-20% bottleneck depending on the specs of the LGA1366 chips, and what overclock he is running.


    Maybe between the X58 and the X79 but when it comes to the X58 and X99 it is 40% to 50% improvement in overall performance.




    Overall performance is relative - If you really got down to it, unless the game is highly CPU intensive, then theres not much to be gained - 90%+ of the games out there today are still heavily GPU weighted, only with DX12 are they becoming more CPU intensive.




    Sorry, I think you might be confused, DX12 is making it so the CPU is LESS of a factor in performance, not more.  But the premise is still correct for the most part, GPU is very heavily weighted when it comes to performance across the board, biggest differences are in lower resolutions where GPU ends up waiting on the CPU.
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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:59 PM (permalink)
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    I have weird issues with every ubisoft game that came out in the last year or so. They really do not optimize well. 


    You have 2 980TIs and you're having horrible performance on every Ubisoft game? Wow... No issues here. I think it's on your end.


    When they launch they are terrible. It always takes them a couple months to iron stuff out. Also, not horrible performance only weird issues. like Far Cry 4 sli flickering. Division at launch driver crashing and the floor falling out etc.  

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    Re: FPS Levels Disappointing After Spending $700 Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:27 AM (permalink)
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    I have weird issues with every ubisoft game that came out in the last year or so. They really do not optimize well. 


    You have 2 980TIs and you're having horrible performance on every Ubisoft game? Wow... No issues here. I think it's on your end.


    When they launch they are terrible. It always takes them a couple months to iron stuff out. Also, not horrible performance only weird issues. like Far Cry 4 sli flickering. Division at launch driver crashing and the floor falling out etc.  


    I had that issue as well. I recall there was a patch available, try and search for it on google. I think it was a "Far Cry 4 SLI patch"

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