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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 16:49:16
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I removed the EK M.2 Heat Sink, Not good for V- NAND but is good for the Controller. The Thermal Pad that comes with the Motherboard covers the Controller 
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 17:21:13
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Great! Thanks for clearing that up! It may help with temps but I'm still thinking something like this is a better solution.
Also, the X299 Dark has active cooling for the M.2 slots. Doesn't look the Z390 Dark will so it will be hard to compare if the X299 M.2 temps are due to the gold contacts or the fan.
Not worth the cost only 2C difference in temps.
Every review I've read is WAY more than 2C. Where have you seen that?
On my Computer?
hmmm maybe no airflow since you're all liquid or something? Maybe no thermal pad or something? You're the first person I've heard of only getting a 2C difference. Worst case scenario, it's only $12 and looks much better than the naked SSD.
It maxed without at 38C/39C and with 37C/38C
Nothing Blocking that area of the Case.
Maybe the Pads that come with the Z390 Dark will do a better job, I will have to wait and see.
This may be true for the Z390 FTW as well.
Nice! Those are much better temps than anyone I've seen online even without the heatsink. Most people were reporting 60C with no heatsink then getting around 45C with the heatsink. I'll definitely test without it first. Newegg had a black one for $12 and free shipping.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 17:46:03
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Great! Thanks for clearing that up! It may help with temps but I'm still thinking something like is a better solution.
Also, the X299 Dark has active cooling for the M.2 slots. Doesn't look the Z390 Dark will so it will be hard to compare if the X299 M.2 temps are due to the gold contacts or the fan.
Not worth the cost only 2C difference in temps.
Every review I've read is WAY more than 2C. Where have you seen that?
On my Computer?
hmmm maybe no airflow since you're all liquid or something? Maybe no thermal pad or something? You're the first person I've heard of only getting a 2C difference. Worst case scenario, it's only $12 and looks much better than the naked SSD.
Why do M.2 temps matter, what stresses them to the degree that thermal degradation would occur without passive heatsinks?
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 17:52:25
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 18:03:52
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
As far as only 2 DIMM Slots on the Dark you can overclock higher with less DIMMs installed on the motherboard. You can still add 2 16GB DIMMS and have 32GB. " if a slot comes to give defect" Then you RMA the Motherboard back to EVGA, Not the Place you bought it. That is if you bought it from an Authorized Location.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 18:34:41
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
Why would you tolerate a defective DIMM slot? The 1151 CPUs only have two channels, so as said above overclocks will be higher because of more simple connections to the CPU and power delivery. Admittedly, if one of the DIMM slots was defective on a Dark Board I would expect some kind of compensation from EVGA considering how long you might have to wait for a replacement board. The last time i ordered a EVGA MOBO there was a defective DIMM slot, it was X99 so 4 slots, 1 was defective, they had the replacement to me within 2 days.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 18:46:21
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
Why would you tolerate a defective DIMM slot? The 1151 CPUs only have two channels, so as said above overclocks will be higher because of more simple connections to the CPU and power delivery.
Admittedly, if one of the DIMM slots was defective on a Dark Board I would expect some kind of compensation from EVGA considering how long you might have to wait for a replacement board. The last time i ordered a EVGA MOBO there was a defective DIMM slot, it was X99 so 4 slots, 1 was defective, they had the replacement to me within 2 days.
Correct, I would not tolerate, but for me it is more difficult to make a rma, because I do not live in the United States. For me it gets more difficult, even so today I would opt for EVGA, since I lost 2 Asus.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 18:49:29
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
As far as only 2 DIMM Slots on the Dark you can overclock higher with less DIMMs installed on the motherboard.
You can still add 2 16GB DIMMS and have 32GB.
" if a slot comes to give defect" Then you RMA the Motherboard back to EVGA, Not the Place you bought it.
That is if you bought it from an .
Thank you. What are the main differences between a mother board Evga Classified and a Dark Motherboard?
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 18:54:22
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What is the difference between a Classified Evga board and Motherboard Dark?
From what I saw the EVGA Z390 Dark will come only 2 ddr4 memory slots. I really like EVGA. I've lost Asus motherboard, memory slots, and the EVGA Z390 Dark with 2 slots if a slot comes to give defect, it was already mother board, this can be a little worrisome.
Thank you
As far as only 2 DIMM Slots on the Dark you can overclock higher with less DIMMs installed on the motherboard.
You can still add 2 16GB DIMMS and have 32GB.
" if a slot comes to give defect" Then you RMA the Motherboard back to EVGA, Not the Place you bought it.
That is if you bought it from an .
Thank you. What are the main differences between a mother board Evga Classified and a Dark Motherboard?
There is no EVGA Z390 Classified Motherboard to comment on at this time. Only the EVGA Z390 Dark and EVGA Z390 FTW Models.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/19 19:08:05
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Great! Thanks for clearing that up! It may help with temps but I'm still thinking something like is a better solution.
Also, the X299 Dark has active cooling for the M.2 slots. Doesn't look the Z390 Dark will so it will be hard to compare if the X299 M.2 temps are due to the gold contacts or the fan.
Not worth the cost only 2C difference in temps.
Every review I've read is WAY more than 2C. Where have you seen that?
On my Computer?
hmmm maybe no airflow since you're all liquid or something? Maybe no thermal pad or something? You're the first person I've heard of only getting a 2C difference. Worst case scenario, it's only $12 and looks much better than the naked SSD.
Why do M.2 temps matter, what stresses them to the degree that thermal degradation would occur without passive heatsinks?
M.2 drives will thermal throttle.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 16:49:45
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Why do M.2 temps matter, what stresses them to the degree that thermal degradation would occur without passive heatsinks? bg8780
M.2 drives will thermal throttle.
Not true, for longevity the M.2 chips prefer to be warmer, cooling them will lower their life. The controller could throttle if it overheats, but other than synthetic scenarios this is not going to happen, especially with normal workloads.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 16:51:49
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The Cooler any electronic device runs the longer the electronic device should last, but not in the case of V-NANDThanks GGTV-Jon I removed the EK M.2 Heat Sink, Not good for V- NAND but is good for the Controller. The Thermal Pad that comes with the Motherboard covers the Controller
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 17:16:41
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I personally have not looked into it but I have seen Steve at GN mention in a few of his videos about the M.2 drives actually liking a little heat. What it breaks down to is that the controller is what gets hot and throttles, the actual memory chips themselves don't get hot enough to cause an issue. Standard operating temperatures of the memory chips is actually where they like to be, running them too cold does have an negative affect on how they function. Sorry, I do not have actual sauce for this though Edit note: I feel if we want to explore this topic we should move it too a new thread as we are driving the thread here a bit off
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 18:15:29
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Well I guess we know now why EVGA's in no hurry - the retail channel for the entire US only got ~500 9900Ks to sell. Newegg had nearly 14,000 preorders and got ~80 CPUs.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 19:19:30
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I personally have not looked into it but I have seen Steve at GN mention in a few of his videos about the M.2 drives actually liking a little heat. What it breaks down to is that the controller is what gets hot and throttles, the actual memory chips themselves don't get hot enough to cause an issue. Standard operating temperatures of the memory chips is actually where they like to be, running them too cold does have an negative affect on how they function.
Sorry, I do not have actual sauce for this though
Edit note: I feel if we want to explore this topic we should move it too a new thread as we are driving the thread here a bit off
The truth is that the process is ridiculously complicated; in a real world application avoiding throttling is the best idea, that being said find me a real world example where the controller throttles without a heatsink just sitting on the board. As I said earlier the Chips respond better to heat operationally, but I should have also mentioned that when inactive they prefer 'cold storage' for longevity. My point is that people on this forum seem to have a maximum of a 5 year refresh cycle on their systems and none of this theoretical nonsense makes a difference in that use case.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 19:29:55
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More to leaning for the Z390 Dark with a Single RTX to replace my Gamming X79 Dark Titan Rig.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/20 21:24:20
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Well I guess we know now why EVGA's in no hurry - the retail channel for the entire US only got ~500 9900Ks to sell. Newegg had nearly 14,000 preorders and got ~80 CPUs.
Where in the world did you get those figures from? 14k 9900K pre-orders just from Newegg?
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 01:46:38
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Where in the world did you get those figures from? 14k 9900K pre-orders just from Newegg?
While I'm aware this is hardly the most trustworthy source, there are several threads on the r/Intel subreddit. I can't link it here because I guess I don't have enough posts yet. vOv
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 06:40:49
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I know I'm nitpicking here but the yellow capacitors stick out like a sore thumb. Other than that they look like nice boards.
I agree, I was taking another look at the boards and decided those giant yellow capacitors mar otherwise interesting looking mobos.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 07:27:19
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Where in the world did you get those figures from? 14k 9900K pre-orders just from Newegg?
While I'm aware this is hardly the most trustworthy source, there are several threads on the r/Intel subreddit. I can't link it here because I guess I don't have enough posts yet. vOv
I found it. https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9pvboa/i99900k_delay_thread/e857zh2/ I find it hard to believe and the picture is pieced together? 
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 08:21:07
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I know I'm nitpicking here but the yellow capacitors stick out like a sore thumb. Other than that they look like nice boards.
I agree, I was taking another look at the boards and decided those giant yellow capacitors mar otherwise interesting looking mobos.
Let's hope a v2 comes out soon after this release as they did with the X299 FTW K Motherboard adding active cooling on the VRM.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 11:02:58
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I know I'm nitpicking here but the yellow capacitors stick out like a sore thumb. Other than that they look like nice boards.
I agree, I was taking another look at the boards and decided those giant yellow capacitors mar otherwise interesting looking mobos.
Let's hope a v2 comes out soon after this release as they did with the X299 FTW K Motherboard adding active cooling on the VRM.
Yeah they kind of take away from the "Dark" color scheme, but at this point I am going to order the first Dark board I possibly can I guess.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 13:16:16
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I know I'm nitpicking here but the yellow capacitors stick out like a sore thumb. Other than that they look like nice boards.
I agree, I was taking another look at the boards and decided those giant yellow capacitors mar otherwise interesting looking mobos.
Let's hope a v2 comes out soon after this release as they did with the X299 FTW K Motherboard adding active cooling on the VRM.
The active cooling on the VRMs was for the LOLs. I get that PC enthusiasts have trouble understanding that processing cores produce a lot of heat, but most electrical components do not produce anything near what would have to be actively cooled.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/21 13:22:04
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The active cooling on the VRMs was for the LOLs. I get that PC enthusiasts have trouble understanding that processing cores produce a lot of heat, but most electrical components do not produce anything near what would have to be actively cooled.
Are you saying that All PC Enthusiasts are Stupid? We Do Not insult each other as your Post seems to be insinuating. We may get on each other's nerves, but we do not insult each other or insinuate as you have done IMO.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 06:07:32
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The active cooling on the VRMs was for the LOLs. I get that PC enthusiasts have trouble understanding that processing cores produce a lot of heat, but most electrical components do not produce anything near what would have to be actively cooled.
Are you saying that All PC Enthusiasts are Stupid?
We Do Not insult each other as your Post seems to be insinuating.
We may get on each other's nerves, but we do not insult each other or insinuate as you have done IMO.
Not insulting anyone, all I am saying is that certain things on high-end components are performance oriented, and more often than not certain features on high-end components are excess. Active cooling on a motherboard VRM of the Dark's quality is overkill. Other features such as the DIMM configuration offer an excellent performance advantage and the reason I will be buying the Z390 Dark.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 06:25:22
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What do you guys think about the controversy with 9900k reviews regarding thermals and power consumption? Seems reviewers who used a board with 4 phases experienced throttling and that’s why they had good temps, but at the same time were limiting the potential of the 9900k even at stock settings.
Obviously the dark will be able to deliver the needed power to get the most of the 9900k but what about the FTW? I assume since it says 11-phase that’s 5 doubled plus one extra? Never cared about VRMs before so correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not interested in a huge overclock, I was planning to run it stock on air. But if it’s going to be limited at stock I may have to reconsider.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 09:25:11
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What do you guys think about the controversy with 9900k reviews regarding thermals and power consumption? Seems reviewers who used a board with 4 phases experienced throttling and that’s why they had good temps, but at the same time were limiting the potential of the 9900k even at stock settings.
Obviously the dark will be able to deliver the needed power to get the most of the 9900k but what about the FTW? I assume since it says 11-phase that’s 5 doubled plus one extra? Never cared about VRMs before so correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not interested in a huge overclock, I was planning to run it stock on air. But if it’s going to be limited at stock I may have to reconsider.
FTW will perform just as well as the Dark IMO on everything, but sub ambient overclocking and ram overclocking which is helped by the fact that the Dark has only 2 DIMM slots and more efficient traces.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 09:44:24
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What do you guys think about the controversy with 9900k reviews regarding thermals and power consumption? Seems reviewers who used a board with 4 phases experienced throttling and that’s why they had good temps, but at the same time were limiting the potential of the 9900k even at stock settings.
Obviously the dark will be able to deliver the needed power to get the most of the 9900k but what about the FTW? I assume since it says 11-phase that’s 5 doubled plus one extra? Never cared about VRMs before so correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not interested in a huge overclock, I was planning to run it stock on air. But if it’s going to be limited at stock I may have to reconsider.
FTW will perform just as well as the Dark IMO on everything, but sub ambient overclocking and ram overclocking which is helped by the fact that the Dark has only 2 DIMM slots and more efficient traces.
+1 Yes it should be fine. If you used an AIO with no to low OC you would get your best performance
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 16:07:50
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I am interested in the dark version. what memory speed, brand of ddr4 would go good with this board? I'm not much of a high end overclocker anymore since the speeds are just so fast now. I'm looking for a balance between speed and price and I am looking to upgrade my motherboard soon. thanks.
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Re: EVGA Z390 Motherboards!
2018/10/22 17:21:53
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I am interested in the dark version. what memory speed, brand of ddr4 would go good with this board? I'm not much of a high end overclocker anymore since the speeds are just so fast now. I'm looking for a balance between speed and price and I am looking to upgrade my motherboard soon. thanks.
Unfortunately EVGA hasn't listed the memory QVL sheet even for the FTW board - if the FTW's details were up we'd have a better guess at what has been tested with the DARK. It's a safe bet that anything around DDR4-3200 should work without a hitch - it's only when you get into the 3866+ area that you have to worry about quirks. You're not going to have a ton of luck finding 2x16 kits (which is advisable since the board's only got two DIMM slots) higher than ~3200-3400 without spending more than a small fortune.
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