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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 18:55:06
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So I did the radiator swap. What a huge waste of time. Temperatures are actually WORSE. I'm pissed. The 240 radiator on this card just isn't enough for some case environments. It's pointless. I'm seeing temperatures of almost 10 degrees C HIGHER than when the card was mounted on the front. And I can literally feel and smell hot air leeching from the top of the case. What a travesty. My Strix cooled better with just fans. I'm seeing temps of 68 degrees right now with a game running in the background. Needless to say I'm pissed off. Vulgar language removed -the_Scarlet_one
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 19:05:33
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So I did the radiator swap. What a huge waste of time. Temperatures are actually WORSE. I'm pissed.
The 240 radiator on this card just isn't enough for some case environments. It's pointless.
I'm seeing temperatures of almost 10 degrees C HIGHER than when the card was mounted on the front. And I can literally feel and smell hot air leeching from the top of the case. What a travesty.
My Strix cooled better with just fans. I'm seeing temps of 68 degrees right now with a game running in the background. Needless to say I'm pissed off.
So you had the GPU rad mounted in the front blowing cooler air from outside the case threw the rad and now you mounted the GPU rad up top and have hot air blowing threw the rad and out the top of the case? Vulgar language removed from quoted post-the_Scarlet_one
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 19:13:59
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So you had the GPU rad mounted in the front blowing cooler air from outside the case threw the rad and now you mounted the GPU rad up top and have hot air blowing threw the rad and out the top of the case?
Yeah, because it was suggested that the AIO pump may not have been running well with where the tubes were with the front mounted radiator position. Clearly that didn't mean diddly squat. I should've just left it where it was and dealt with the slightly higher temperatures than what is being "reported" in this thread as typical. The case I'm using inherently has some airflow issues so that's part of the problem. I should've just left the damn thing where it was and dealt with the slightly above "average" temperatures. Now my options are: 1. Get a different case and hope the passive airflow improves the temperatures 2. Deal with slightly higher than expected temperatures until the Hydro Copper blocks come (but I've never done a custom loop before and I'll probably break my $1800 graphics card because of it). So basically I'm at a loss aside from just swapping the radiators back AGAIN. What a pain in my ass.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 19:46:36
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@bcavnaugh - I strongly recommend X9 if you want to go TT
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@bcavnaugh - I strongly recommend X9 if you want to go TT
I do have 2 of them myself. View SystemView System Core X5 View System
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 20:01:22
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@bcavnaugh - I strongly recommend X9 if you want to go TT
He already has one of those cases as well as I for my sons rig. )
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 20:09:36
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Anyways, what happens when you make both rads intake? You have atleast 1 other fan in the case or 2 for exhaust right? The pressure will blow that heat out the other openings anyways.
Or turn the fans around for the card rad to again suck the cooler air in threw it. But then the CPU rad will be warmer.. so just blow both in.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 20:16:33
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I found some pics of my old setup ...
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 21:27:42
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So I did the radiator swap. What a huge waste of time. Temperatures are actually WORSE. I'm pissed.
The 240 radiator on this card just isn't enough for some case environments. It's pointless.
I'm seeing temperatures of almost 10 degrees C HIGHER than when the card was mounted on the front. And I can literally feel and smell hot air leeching from the top of the case. What a travesty.
My Strix cooled better with just fans. I'm seeing temps of 68 degrees right now with a game running in the background. Needless to say I'm pissed off.
I temporarily have my KPE in a Fractal Define R6. My load temps while gaming are ranging anywhere from 38c-48c @ 2155mhz on the core. If you don't have your radiator for the KPE set up as intake then you may want to do that... if I swapped mine to exhaust then my temps would be in the 60's easily as then the GPU rad would be exhausting the heat from my OC'd CPU in addition to the GPU itself, needless to say this is not good for GPU performance. The cooler the air coming through the GPU rad the better, but you probably already know this. Unless your pump was giving you signs it was struggling or having issues, there's no reason to worry about its location. Your case honestly shouldn't have that much to do with temps using this GPU and an AIO or open-loop on the CPU. Just set up the GPU rad as intake and CPU rad as exhaust. Or if that's not possible then both as intakes with a single exhaust next to the motherboard i/o panel. For gaming, if having to choose lesser of two evils, I'd rather have my CPU run hotter than my GPU. Benchmarking becomes a little trickier with balancing as CPU clocks matter much more than they do with gaming.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 21:44:46
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Hawk , did you see my pic of my setup? I have 360 AIO in push/pull in front intake air right in front of KPE. I have the KP rad ontop exhausting air with Fan 1&2 @1325RPM. My ambient temp is around 23* ...here are some games i ran for 30 min each as well as 3dmark
3dMark GPU 41 Mem 50-55
Shadow of the Tombraider GPU 45 Mem 63
RE2 Remake GPU 45 Mem 63
AC Odyssey GPU 44 Mem 61
Final Fantasy 15 GPU 46 Mem 62
All runs @ +100/1200 (seems to be the most stable for games)
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/18 22:59:34
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Hawk , did you see my pic of my setup? I have 360 AIO in push/pull in front intake air right in front of KPE. I have the KP rad ontop exhausting air with Fan 1&2 @1325RPM. My ambient temp is around 23* ...here are some games i ran for 30 min each as well as 3dmark
3dMark GPU 41 Mem 50-55
Shadow of the Tombraider GPU 45 Mem 63
RE2 Remake GPU 45 Mem 63
AC Odyssey GPU 44 Mem 61
Final Fantasy 15 GPU 46 Mem 62
All runs @ +100/1200 (seems to be the most stable for games)
Great temps. Hope mine are close to yours when I finally get around to installing my card. At +100 what is your core at?
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 02:31:17
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Is you CPU really 5.7? Maybe you can try some TimeSpy with it.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 03:23:58
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Hawk , did you see my pic of my setup? I have 360 AIO in push/pull in front intake air right in front of KPE. I have the KP rad ontop exhausting air with Fan 1&2 @1325RPM. My ambient temp is around 23* ...here are some games i ran for 30 min each as well as 3dmark
3dMark GPU 41 Mem 50-55
Shadow of the Tombraider GPU 45 Mem 63
RE2 Remake GPU 45 Mem 63
AC Odyssey GPU 44 Mem 61
Final Fantasy 15 GPU 46 Mem 62
All runs @ +100/1200 (seems to be the most stable for games)
In an Evolv X at those ambient temperatures? Sorry, I just don’t buy it. I am seeing 10 C higher than that with it mounted as an intake. With a 360 in front all intake air is going to be choked with this case and even worse than what I am experiencing in terms of intake airflow. And with push pull it’s going to be even worse considering that the Evolv X has poor airflow through the front of the case to begin with. Either that or my card’s pump is defective.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 03:26:52
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HawkOculus
So I did the radiator swap. What a huge waste of time. Temperatures are actually WORSE. I'm pissed.
The 240 radiator on this card just isn't enough for some case environments. It's pointless.
I'm seeing temperatures of almost 10 degrees C HIGHER than when the card was mounted on the front. And I can literally feel and smell hot air leeching from the top of the case. What a travesty.
My Strix cooled better with just fans. I'm seeing temps of 68 degrees right now with a game running in the background. Needless to say I'm pissed off.
I temporarily have my KPE in a Fractal Define R6. My load temps while gaming are ranging anywhere from 38c-48c @ 2155mhz on the core. If you don't have your radiator for the KPE set up as intake then you may want to do that... if I swapped mine to exhaust then my temps would be in the 60's easily as then the GPU rad would be exhausting the heat from my OC'd CPU in addition to the GPU itself, needless to say this is not good for GPU performance. The cooler the air coming through the GPU rad the better, but you probably already know this. Unless your pump was giving you signs it was struggling or having issues, there's no reason to worry about its location.
Your case honestly shouldn't have that much to do with temps using this GPU and an AIO or open-loop on the CPU. Just set up the GPU rad as intake and CPU rad as exhaust. Or if that's not possible then both as intakes with a single exhaust next to the motherboard i/o panel. For gaming, if having to choose lesser of two evils, I'd rather have my CPU run hotter than my GPU. Benchmarking becomes a little trickier with balancing as CPU clocks matter much more than they do with gaming.
I had it set up as an intake and I was seeing temperatures in the mid fifties. Even with a custom fan curve running it would still get that hot. That’s with the KPE rad mounted in the very front and the CPU AIO rad exhausting out the top as you’ve described. I was gonna order a new case but I just don’t want to hassle with rebuilding the entire PC right now. These Asetek coolers are complete so I’m not really surprised that I’m having issues. I’m pissed off and switching the radiators back is only gonna make it not get completely toasty. It’s still gonna top out in the mid fifties like it had been. I don’t know if I was really running the fans like they should be for best cooling but I guess I’ll find out. And I guess I’m going to be building some custom loops when the water block comes out. Hopefully I don’t destroy my card as I do a cooler swap for the first time. Vulgar language removed. -the_scarlet_one
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 03:38:47
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If you want to see a Solid 1.09 on the OLED then Run 62475
You may need to Reduce your Overclocking.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 03:55:37
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Now that I’m thinking about my temperature issue more, I don’t know why I ever even thought swapping the radiators would help. Last night I was seeing temps in the mid 40’s with the CPU AIO rad up front. With it mounted as exhaust in the top temps would hit low to mid 60’s. That delta is just massive so I guess I’m gonna switch it back and actually run an aggressive fan profile and just live with it.
The eventual plan is to do two custom loops once the Hydro Copper drops. Although I’m gonna have to wait until even after that as the case I want to use isn’t even out yet. The Phanteks Enthoo Luxe 2 has an excellent layout for water cooling but I’ll need to wait for it to actually release.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Vulgar language is not allowed on the forums and causes the moderators and the admins to have to go through and edit numerous posts to remove said language. Even if the language filter stars it out, it is still there and has to be edited.
Please refrain from posting vulgar language. The context of every post that required editing stayed the exact same without the language, so there is no need to go above and beyond when stressing the point.
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2019/04/19 05:29:51
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^ Got it, sorry about that. It’s just in my personality when I’ve got something to vent about. Won’t happen again.
Back on topic - does anyone else have any insight into my thermal issues? I’m going to swap the radiators yet AGAIN tonight and actually set an aggressive fan curve for the rad fans in PX1 and see what happens.
I feel like some differences in temperatures may be due to resolution and gaming loads but I don’t really know. Any game in 1440p isn’t going to push this card to the same levels as 4K with Ultra presets.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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@HawkOculus Maybe you should remove the top of your case and the front and run some stress tests with rads in the different positions and with case panels in different configurations. If you have equipment such as thermal temp sensors try to gather and log data during the process. Develop a test methodology that works for you During this process it is important lock voltages and clocks and to use the same stress test software loops and also determine the correct amount of time per stress test run. I would Just spend some time testing and logging temps and try to control for as many variables as possible. While it can be frustrating and exhausting when thermals don't meet your expectations you should be able to learn a lot about your specific build. This is why I like having multiple builds. If one is not meeting my expectations I demote it to the bench promote another to "daily driver." That being said it is hard to play games on a 1080ti, or a ref 2080 build when a 2080ti KPE is sitting on the bench in the other room 
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 10:07:14
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How can I make you believe me? I get it though..1800+ is a leg and 2 arms and I would be worried and frustrated too. Work now...gotta pay for KPE somehow but will do longer test runs when I get home. By the way all my game runs ran at 4k. Anyways, what about everyone else? What are your temps like for games? Emmett, its fluctuating between 2130/2115, but mostly staying at 2130. On another thought...EVGA i think you should give your Kingpin owners a choice of a free game..makes sense and would be nice on top of 1800+
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How can I make you believe me? I get it though..1800+ is a leg and 2 arms and I would be worried and frustrated too. Work now...gotta pay for KPE somehow but will do longer test runs when I get home. By the way all my game runs ran at 4k. Anyways, what about everyone else? What are your temps like for games?
Emmett, its fluctuating between 2130/2115, but mostly staying at 2130.
On another thought...EVGA i think you should give your Kingpin owners a choice of a free game..makes sense and would be nice on top of 1800+
Honestly? You can’t really. Unless you’re running your fans at 80-100%. Then maybe it’s believable. Because I’m not - not so far anyways. I should’ve done tests with a custom fan curve on the radiator fans before I did any hardware swapping. Stupid. The Evolv X is a hardware toaster oven. Just look at the temperature delta on my 9900k. With front fresh intake temps were in the mid to high 40s. With it as an exhaust on the top of the case temps will hit low 60s. That’s crazy. I could literally smell burning air with the KPE radiator mounted in the top. I had a 280 AIO rad in push pull when I first built my current rig. It couldn’t cool the rest of the case worth a hoot and it was choking airflow. Temps on my Strix dropped by 10 C by just moving the radiator to the top and putting 3 intake fans on. With a 360 it would be even worse for sure. And not only that, but having the top or the front of the case off or removing the dust filters or opening the case door is nowhere even close to the same conditions as completely closed case with all of the panels on.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
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Dust covers.. yeah are they very fine dust covers? I say no to dust covers.. kill air flow.. unless there not that fine and I'm running a 360/480 rad and have plenty of airflow.
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Just take the rad out of the case for a test. Hold the rad or prob it up on a box. Test temps.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 11:40:04
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AHowes
Dust covers.. yeah are they very fine dust covers? I say no to dust covers.. kill air flow.. unless there not that fine and I'm running a 360/480 rad and have plenty of airflow.
My cats will say otherwise, hah. Their furry goodness will get all up in my Kingpin’s business otherwise. I’m gonna try some testing with the radiator outside of the case with the fans at high speed and see what happens. Hopefully good results. I’ll be swapping the radiators back regardless.
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 11:52:10
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"This stuff breaks my tiny often dehydrated and carb deprived hamster brain" -2019
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Re: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!
2019/04/19 11:59:41
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Here a New Fire Strike Extreme Score
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19103749
a little faster than the first score on account of the Classy tool. NVVD@ 1.118 FBVDD@ 1.48
What's your card memory running at in that test? Does the card down clock at all on load in any of the tests like test 1 or 3?
Intel i9 9900K @ 5.2Ghz Single HUGE Custom Water Loop. Asus Z390 ROG Extreme XI MB G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (4x8GB) 4266MHz DDR4 EVGA 2080ti K|NGP|N w/ Hydro Copper block. 34" Dell Alienware AW3418DW 1440 Ultra Wide GSync Monitor Thermaltake Core P7 Modded w/ 2x EK Dual D5 pump top,2 x EK XE 480 2X 360 rads.1 Corsair 520 Rad.
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