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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 14:46:15 (permalink)
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That really looks like it's going to outclass every internal soundcard on the market...
There are better DAC's out there.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 14:51:00 (permalink)
You're definitely right for strictly DAC purposes but overall it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. This is meant for someone who has more needs than just a DAC. Not that it won't serve that well, but not a great comparison when putting it side by side with an external one strictly for home audio

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 15:15:46 (permalink)
I've been using the Sound Blaster Z for the past 6 years now. I really love this card and it's been working Flawlessly. I'm connecting via Toslink to a Yamaha receiver using the 5.1 surround sound via the Dolby Digital and DTS software built into creatives software panel.
 
My question is what kind of signal does the EVGA NU output via Toslink to a digital receiver? Dolby or DTS? PCM?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 16:27:46 (permalink)
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Will have to wait and see.
 
I have Creative AE-5, hopefully some does a good review comparing EVGA NU AUDIO card vs Creative AE-5 card. I would like to see more information about EVGA NU AUDIO software for the card. You need both good hardware and software.
 
I'll take a stab at MSRP on EVGA NU AUDIO. My guess is $199 or higher.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 16:37:11 (permalink)
Would using a sound card take up less system resources than using a DAC over USB? I assume using USB audio would load the audio processing onto the CPU. Back in the day using a sound meant unloading the process from the CPU which was a perk. Or does it even matter anymore?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 16:46:05 (permalink)
Scout Mode or similar ? 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 17:36:50 (permalink)
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I've been using the Sound Blaster Z for the past 6 years now. I really love this card and it's been working Flawlessly. I'm connecting via Toslink to a Yamaha receiver using the 5.1 surround sound via the Dolby Digital and DTS software built into creatives software panel.
 
My question is what kind of signal does the EVGA NU output via Toslink to a digital receiver? Dolby or DTS? PCM?




It SHOULD be able to output the same codec as the source unless the codec is too high of a bandwidth for the Optical connection. Toslink supports any stereo resolution up to 24bit/192khz PCM, does not support DSD stereo. It CAN output Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1. It does NOT support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA or Dolby Atmos. Basically, any form of uncompressed 2 channel audio (other than DSD), and only compressed multichannel.
 
I would assume the software will have options to designate what your preferred output format is, but there is no sense of converting DD to DTS and vice versa.
 
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Would using a sound card take up less system resources than using a DAC over USB? I assume using USB audio would load the audio processing onto the CPU. Back in the day using a sound meant unloading the process from the CPU which was a perk. Or does it even matter anymore?


 
Out of curiosity, does your external DAC have an Optical Toslink in? I personally like Optical over USB far more, Mobo Optical out to DAC Optical in. Have had much greater success over the years. Also, mot all USB DACs support 2 channel 24bit/192khz while pretty much all do over Toslink.

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 18:56:09 (permalink)
Will the new EVGA sound card support any of the following? DTS Connect, DTS-X, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital Live, Dolby Atmos?

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 19:01:14 (permalink)
How does this compare to my aging schiit stack? Using akg K712. Thanks been out of the audio loop for a long time
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 19:03:54 (permalink)
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Will the new EVGA sound card support any of the following? DTS Connect, DTS-X, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital Live, Dolby Atmos?


It doesn't have HDMI out. Quite sure HDMI is the only thing that can carry Dolby Atmos and DTS X. I've been waiting a long time for a sound card with this. I mentioned it to the guys with Creative at E3 a year or two ago, but no one is listening.  : /
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 19:09:17 (permalink)
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Will the new EVGA sound card support any of the following? DTS Connect, DTS-X, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital Live, Dolby Atmos?


It won't be able to output any of those other than Dolby Digital Live. DD Live is basically the equivalent of Dolby Prologic II which takes a stereo signal and upmixes to a 5.1 signal, except DD Live is built for PCs. Taking a PC audio source, converting it to DD 5.1, and outputting it via Toslink.

The other formats are for uncompressed multichannel audio applications which require either multichannel analog out (one analog out for each channel) or HDMI for digital out. Neither of which are on the sound card.

It IS possible to output those signals via the HDMI output on a GPU tho. I used to do this but the software I was using was a little sketchy, wasn't super reliable.

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 19:44:06 (permalink)
I'm happy to see this, However it would be nice to see 3.5mm 1/8" 7.1 surround sound. My SBZ is only 5.1
I also use a Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 for music recording. one cannot perform what the other is designed to do so I have to use both.
 
If this card had the 7.1 analog outputs it would be the perfect card, add in 0 latency.
 
I've been looking for something this in 7.1 for a while now, I think ASUS is the only one that makes an affordable card.
 
I really can't understand why people think onboard sound even comes close to what a PCIe card can do.
It truly is a supreme experience. I also believe it's why people think headsets suck. The USB headsets are Okay, but still can't deliver a true surround sound.
Pair a true 7.1 PCIe card with this TRUE 7.1 Headset https://www.razer.com/gam...dio/razer-tiamat-71-v2
 
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I've been using the Sound Blaster Z for the past 6 years now. I really love this card and it's been working Flawlessly. I'm connecting via Toslink to a Yamaha receiver using the 5.1 surround sound via the Dolby Digital and DTS software built into creatives software panel.
 
My question is what kind of signal does the EVGA NU output via Toslink to a digital receiver? Dolby or DTS? PCM?

Same here, Been using the SBZ for several years and works great.


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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 19:45:16 (permalink)
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Will the new EVGA sound card support any of the following? DTS Connect, DTS-X, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital Live, Dolby Atmos?


It doesn't have HDMI out. Quite sure HDMI is the only thing that can carry Dolby Atmos and DTS X. I've been waiting a long time for a sound card with this. I mentioned it to the guys with Creative at E3 a year or two ago, but no one is listening.  : /




This topic was brought up in the RTX20** section and I had dug up / posted this link after looking into what was what between TOSLink versus HDMI
 
https://www.avsforum.com/...udio.html#post56914296
 
 
There is some good info in the link above but I also think some of it is a bit off
 
TLDR: It is not a matter of bandwidth capabilities of TOSLink it is a matter of Toshiba never carrying it any farther forward in what the hardware for it can do - they let it go stagnant and have lost out to HDMI.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 20:13:00 (permalink)
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Will have to wait and see.
 
I have Creative AE-5, hopefully some does a good review comparing EVGA NU AUDIO card vs Creative AE-5 card. I would like to see more information about EVGA NU AUDIO software for the card. You need both good hardware and software.
 
I'll take a stab at MSRP on EVGA NU AUDIO. My guess is $199 or higher.




Same here.  I'm pretty happy with the AE-5 though I wish Creative would produce better software to take advantage of all of card's features.

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 20:14:50 (permalink)
Looks like a fun toy, and I wouldn't mind trying it since I enjoyed the Asus Essence STX a lot. However, the specs are missing a key detail that would interest serious audiophiles: what is the output impedance for each output? These internal DACs often suffer from a relatively high impedance as the main weakness, but hopefully the NU Audio improves on that aspect.
 
 
It would be really impressive if EVGA would provide sample impedance graphs, so we don't need to wait for 3rd party reviewers to do measurements.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 20:15:04 (permalink)
Can i hook up my logitech Z533 speakers with subwoofer? I have a pair of Grado SR 80 e prestige headphones as well. I love my Grado's! Good sound.  Can i use a set of rc plugs for the subwoofer and speakers and also have  the headphones on the other jack as well? I might save up for this new sound card from EVGA. I currently have a SoundBlaster Audigy FX Sound card but it seems to tax the computer when I have the volume up on the speakers. Would the EVGA have more power for the speakers? Would it be too much power for the Logitech Z533's. Thanks.
 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 20:30:48 (permalink)
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Can i hook up my logitech Z533 speakers with subwoofer? I have a pair of Grado SR 80 e prestige headphones as well. I love my Grado's! Good sound.  Can i use a set of rc plugs for the subwoofer and speakers and also have  the headphones on the other jack as well? I might save up for this new sound card from EVGA. I currently have a SoundBlaster Audigy FX Sound card but it seems to tax the computer when I have the volume up on the speakers. Would the EVGA have more power for the speakers? Would it be too much power for the Logitech Z533's. Thanks.



It will work fine with that speaker setup. The sound card has Left/Right Stereo outputs (Red and white), connect that direct to your inputs on the subwoofer.
 
Unsure if you could use em at the same time but I'd guess yes. I would reach out to EVGA to ask if that is a hard requirement for you.
 
The card should have no problem driving those headphones. It has a 600ohm impedance headphone amp which will drive basically anything. This is actually where the Nu might shine.
 
It also doesn't supply power to your speaker setup. You plug your subwoofer directly into a wall power outlet which is what provides the power. The sound card simply sends the audio signal to it.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 20:47:20 (permalink)
@gch233 as mattman657 said, your Logitech Z533 speakers are powered and only required line in analog source.
 
You should be able to have both audio sources out, the line out to the Logitech for game audio while you have Discord or other voice chat to your headphones.
 

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 21:10:17 (permalink)
Some spec info for the OPAmp's used in the EVGA Nu Audio
 
Headphone Jack - ADI OP275 - https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/op275.pdf
 
Line Out - ADI AD8056 - https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ad8055_8056.pdf
 
As I noted above they can be swapped out with Burson OPAmps or some other brand. They have a direct listing for the OP275 but would need to be contacted for verification on the AD8056. They are both dual units
 
https://www.bursonaudio.c...upreme-sound-opamp-v6/
 
 
A few things are indeed missing information wise, other then"DSD" on the current product page what about Doby?? DTS?? PCM?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 21:33:04 (permalink)
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Even with an X series board, which I have, I’ve run out of lanes with my NVLink and NVME drives populated. SLI support is the best it’s been in years also. People that do not use SLI always love to spread misinformation and comment on things they have no experience with.

This audio card does not even support MQA so streaming Tidal or other lossless audio will effectively be 13 bit.


What cpu are you using on an X series board to where you ran out of lanes with SLI and nvme drives?

I am just curious as you clearly know more than everyone else on the subject. I understand only that there are 28 and 40 lane cpus for the X series boards, so you NEED 3 gpu’s And an nvme just to get to 28 lanes, which I doubt you have, since nvlink only supports two cards. Since you only have two, that would leave you with at least 8 more lanes, as far as my math can see.

Now if you have 40 lanes... heck, looking st my two titan Xp’s And my pci audio card, both of my titans STILL run at x16 with the audio card and an nvme installed, so I am curious what you are rambling about people not knowing, and would like a decent understanding of where this is going instead of lumping everyone together and being vague.

I also really want to understand why you are taking the time to bash something you clearly don’t want.


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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 21:56:18 (permalink)
the_Scarlet_one that is 44 lanes
 
He didn't even look to see that the NU Audio was PCIe x1 Gen2 (1 lane unless that was a typo)
On his Asus board with 2 x GPU's using 32 lanes, 2 x M.2 using 8 lanes he still has 4 lanes left on the CPU plus any slack taken up by the PCH
 
Even if he was out of CPU lanes there is no reason this cannot run through the PCH on an X series board
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/08 23:46:33 (permalink)
will i benefit if i have Hyperx Cloud 2? or is the usb soundcard it comes with the same?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 02:34:44 (permalink)
Virtual Headphone surround similar to Creative SBX or Dolby Headphone?
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 02:43:33 (permalink)
Hmmm. Depending on the price point, I might consider this as I'm now an Elite member... 

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 04:15:22 (permalink)
So I have a pro mic I can't plug into it [I need a three prong plug/receiver].
And a surround sound head phone with 3 speakers on each side that uses 3 plugs that I can't use.
Um ok so what good is this again?
 
I still would need my M-audio adapter for my mic, that I all ready use, and still need my on board audio for surround sound, which I all ready use. So I see absolutely no need for this at all.
 
They dropped the ball on this one for me anyhow.
I can't see this as anything more than a "wow" toy for those who are wanting to pretend to be audiophiles.
 
I do not see any pro being able to use this at all.
 
Oh well. Maybe next time guys.
 
EDIT:
Yes I did spend several minutes going over all the specs before typing this as well.
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 04:18:22 (permalink)
It looks like the NU audio software allows you to save EQ profiles. Can we save profiles for select apps? If we can, will the software auto switch, when we launch that app? Does the NU audio software have a Scout mode?
"Designed to help you hear beyond what you can see such as footsteps, speech and weaponry handling acoustic characteristics without involving the use of explicit frequency shaping for complete gaming experience."
 

 
 
Will the NU audio sound card work without the SATA power cable connected? My Creative AE-5 has a 4pin power slot but it's only required if you want to use the RGB LED strip that came with the sound card. 
 
 


 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 04:19:45 (permalink)
This would require new speakers for me...probably time for them....I have a pair of Cambridge Soundworks from Circa 2003...
 
Any suggestions for a set up? I was thinking https://www.amazon.com/Lo...r-System/dp/B004M18O60

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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 04:24:38 (permalink)
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This would require new speakers for me...probably time for them....I have a pair of Cambridge Soundworks from Circa 2003...
 
Any suggestions for a set up? I was thinking https://www.amazon.com/Lo...r-System/dp/B004M18O60




You might not need a dedicated sound card for that kind of 5.1 surround system. 


 
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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 04:52:08 (permalink)
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So I have a pro mic I can't plug into it [I need a three prong plug/receiver].
And a surround sound head phone with 3 speakers on each side that uses 3 plugs that I can't use.
Um ok so what good is this again?
 
I still would need my M-audio adapter for my mic, that I all ready use, and still need my on board audio for surround sound, which I all ready use. So I see absolutely no need for this at all.
 
They dropped the ball on this one for me anyhow.
I can't see this as anything more than a "wow" toy for those who are wanting to pretend to be audiophiles.
 
I do not see any pro being able to use this at all.
 
Oh well. Maybe next time guys.
 
EDIT:
Yes I did spend several minutes going over all the specs before typing this as well.


Best way to explain this: if it doesn’t work with your equipment, it isn’t of use to you. So, curious about the point of your post.

Not sure why folks feel the need to post that it wouldn’t work for them, as if they designed it for their hardware and the manufacturer accidentally used the wrong I/O. This sound card is designed for the people that can utilize the I/O.


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Re: EVGA NU AUDIO: LIFELIKE AUDIO 2019/01/09 05:00:44 (permalink)
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A few things are indeed missing information wise, other then"DSD" on the current product page what about Doby?? DTS?? PCM?


It will 100% support PCM. And as it has Toslink out, odds are it should have no problem outputting standard DD and DTS

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