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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:24:49
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Just to add to this, mine does the same thing. No matter what settings I use, I cannot hit more than 450w on the OC 500w bios. Overclocking +100-150 on GPU lowers this to 420-430w. I tried it with furmark and kombustor.
https://i.imgur.com/tqgcBsh.png (click link to see enlarged)
Yeah, you're out of the PCIE power slot spec as well - which may (or may not) be part of the problem with these Taiwanese cards not being able to consistently draw close to 500W on the XOC VBIOS. How does it look without any OC and just power slider maxed? Still over 75W? (I ask because mine is 78 to 82W average based on the game/benchmark at stock, and thus the reason for my RMA)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:25:05
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Sorry, mine is Taiwan, forgot to mention.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:26:43
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If I paid so much money just to get an taiwanese "card", which is inferior, i will get really angry. Still hope there will be 2 bioses. -.-
You can RMA the card on the basis that it pulls more than 75W from the pcie during load on stock OC bios (out of spec on an out the box product? Oooh yikes) and fingers crossed it came from China next time! If it doesn’t...it’s still out of spec ya know
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:27:05
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Protofax
Just to add to this, mine does the same thing. No matter what settings I use, I cannot hit more than 450w on the OC 500w bios. Overclocking +100-150 on GPU lowers this to 420-430w. I tried it with furmark and kombustor.
https://i.imgur.com/tqgcBsh.png (click link to see enlarged)
Yeah, you're out of the PCIE power slot spec as well - which may (or may not) be part of the problem with these Taiwanese cards not being able to consistently draw close to 500W on the XOC VBIOS. How does it look without any OC and just power slider maxed? Still over 75W? (I ask because mine is 78 to 82W average based on the game/benchmark at stock, and thus the reason for my RMA)
Mine runs at 75w average (always 74-76) with both stress tests with everything on the card at stock while on the 500w OC bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:27:10
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I think it's pretty clear something is wrong with the Taiwan cards at this point. The major question for me is whether the China cards fixed this in some fashion, and there needs to be more samples of those cards to establish a more conclusive trend.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:29:44
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Just to add to this, mine does the same thing. No matter what settings I use, I cannot hit more than 450w on the OC 500w bios. Overclocking +100-150 on GPU lowers this to 420-430w. I tried it with furmark and kombustor.
https://i.imgur.com/tqgcBsh.png (click link to see enlarged)
Yeah, you're out of the PCIE power slot spec as well - which may (or may not) be part of the problem with these Taiwanese cards not being able to consistently draw close to 500W on the XOC VBIOS. How does it look without any OC and just power slider maxed? Still over 75W? (I ask because mine is 78 to 82W average based on the game/benchmark at stock, and thus the reason for my RMA)
Mine runs at 75w average (always 74-76) with both stress tests with everything on the card at stock while on the 500w OC bios.
How about the stock OC VBIOS? Sorry, I forgot to mention that my readings were for that since the XOC VBIOS didn't offer any improvement for my card (other than that one lucky 14233 port royal run, which I'm betting is more dumb luck than anything). The reason why I ask is because any issues with a Beta VBIOS and EVGA will just have you flash back to stock. So if the readings are the same or worse on the stock OC VBIOS with no overclock, that's another data point (and grounds for RMA for you).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:30:10
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Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter. Check my Port Royal and Time Spy Extreme attachments. I have GPU-z refreshing at a rate of 0.1s during these tests. 530W was a split second spike. By the looks of this, is my card functioning as it should?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:32:16
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Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter.
Port Royal:
GPU-z_Port_Royal.gif
Time Spy Extreme:
We are trying to determine if any Taiwanese cards can get 500w power draw with XOC bios, or rather get data on how 500w bios performs on both, so far data supports that Taiwanese cards hadlocked to 450w and Chinese cards 500w capable.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:35:00
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so it's not possible doing XOC 500W bios for Taiwan card? Or mod XC3 Bios? Can we try see board China & Taiwan for difference compsant? I think we must find alternative of Jacob help, because RMA mass EVGA its just dream... i think
post edited by ninshoo - 2020/11/22 08:37:21
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:36:13
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Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter.
Check my Port Royal and Time Spy Extreme attachments.
I have GPU-z refreshing at a rate of 0.1s during these tests. 530W was a split second spike.
By the looks of this, is my card functioning as it should?
E-Emmanuel's findings would mean that it is NOT every taiwanese board? Then again it's gets complicated...maybe it really is a board + bios combo. Why EVGA just can give us an answer. Just saying that it is a BETA is too easy IMHO.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:37:08
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so it's not possible doing XOC 500W bios for Taiwan card?
Or mod XC3 Bios?
It is a hypothesis we don’t have enough data to conclude that yet, but unfortunately that’s how it seems right now. You might see small gains from xc3 vs XOC but that ain’t the point, XOC works on certain boards and not others in the same sku ****
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:39:08
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Just to add to this, mine does the same thing. No matter what settings I use, I cannot hit more than 450w on the OC 500w bios. Overclocking +100-150 on GPU lowers this to 420-430w. I tried it with furmark and kombustor.
https://i.imgur.com/tqgcBsh.png (click link to see enlarged)
Yeah, you're out of the PCIE power slot spec as well - which may (or may not) be part of the problem with these Taiwanese cards not being able to consistently draw close to 500W on the XOC VBIOS. How does it look without any OC and just power slider maxed? Still over 75W? (I ask because mine is 78 to 82W average based on the game/benchmark at stock, and thus the reason for my RMA)
Mine runs at 75w average (always 74-76) with both stress tests with everything on the card at stock while on the 500w OC bios.
How about the stock OC VBIOS? Sorry, I forgot to mention that my readings were for that since the XOC VBIOS didn't offer any improvement for my card (other than that one lucky 14233 port royal run, which I'm betting is more dumb luck than anything).
The reason why I ask is because any issues with a Beta VBIOS and EVGA will just have you flash back to stock. So if the readings are the same or worse on the stock OC VBIOS with no overclock, that's another data point (and grounds for RMA for you).
On the Stock OC Bios, I get the same results mostly. It seems to be running around 10 watts lower overall. The Slot power is still hitting around 78-80 in furmark overclocked and hovering around 75w when everything is stock. I got mine last week new from EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:41:11
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H-Emmanuel
Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter.
Check my Port Royal and Time Spy Extreme attachments.
I have GPU-z refreshing at a rate of 0.1s during these tests. 530W was a split second spike.
By the looks of this, is my card functioning as it should?
E-Emmanuel's findings would mean that it is NOT every taiwanese board? Then again it's gets complicated...maybe it really is a board + bios combo. Why EVGA just can give us an answer. Just saying that it is a BETA is too easy IMHO.
What day did your order/day card shipped? Also, if it is possible, can you find out your PCB revision number Emmanuel? It’s located right near pcie teeth on fan side
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:41:40
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H-Emmanuel
Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter.
Port Royal:
GPU-z_Port_Royal.gif
Time Spy Extreme:
We are trying to determine if any Taiwanese cards can get 500w power draw with XOC bios, or rather get data on how 500w bios performs on both, so far data supports that Taiwanese cards hadlocked to 450w and Chinese cards 500w capable.
Although I don't seem to hit 500W consistently (maybe the card/driver anticipates the load and throttles before allowing the power draw to blow through 500W?), I can definitely sustain more than 450W. Maybe the issue affects the first batch of Taiwanese card and not the recent ones such as my card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:41:54
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Ehh.. 41/Taiwan (launch day) and i can get 505W+ consistently when i am pushing on X0C. My PR score I posted earlier was a 509W hit.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:43:02
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At this point there just needs to be more data to conclusively prove this. Either
1)Having a Google Drive spreadsheet with possibly hundreds of entries for both Taiwan and Chinese cards to establish a pattern.
OR
2)Having PCB shots of both Chinese and Taiwanese cards and seeing a physical difference.
A dozen cards just isn't enough to pinpoint this as the root problem but it is a good indicator that you guys are going in the right direction. It very well could just be a bad batch of cards from a Taiwan factory and other cards from a different batch from the same factory are fine.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:43:05
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I guess I was “that weird owner with the ftw3 and Strix”. Yes, I managed to purchase a Strix. Not really a big deal, maybe I was lucky. Point is, I gave EVGA 2 weeks to respond to this thread and my return window was almost up. This was a card I paid over $1900 usd for with tax and was further going to invest another $400 in a water block and maybe more over the life of the card. Sorry, not going to take that sitting down if I have the option to return my card and I wasn’t getting a good feeling the direction this was heading with EVGA.
I wanted nothing more than to give EVGA a chance with Ampere as I have never owned an EVGA graphics card and was generally excited about having features like the temperature monitors. But NOT at the expense of a subpar PCB and components for the money. Yes, the market sucks right now and it’s very much a sellers market given demand greatly outstrips supply. But clearly is EVGA producing a board with cheaper components for the same money as their competitors and pocketing the rest.
I can also tell you flashing the 500w bios on my Strix did actually have a tangible improvement in both power draw and a roughly 200 point increase in Port Royal score. And yes, my card now shows up as an EVGA card on 3dmark, but I promise it isn’t...
Regarding the Chinese vs Taiwan argument. We really need some shots of the Chinese pcb, preferably close ups of the voltage controllers and vrms/capacitors.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:43:28
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Taiwanese card here set to 1.012v under load, until hitting the power limiter.
Port Royal:
GPU-z_Port_Royal.gif
Time Spy Extreme:
We are trying to determine if any Taiwanese cards can get 500w power draw with XOC bios, or rather get data on how 500w bios performs on both, so far data supports that Taiwanese cards hadlocked to 450w and Chinese cards 500w capable.
Although I don't seem to hit 500W consistently (maybe the card/driver anticipates the load and throttles before allowing the power draw to blow through 500W?), I can definitely sustain more than 450W.
Maybe the issue affects the first batch of Taiwanese card and not the recent ones such as my card?
Now this sounds more like what I’ve been saying/hearing...it should slam up to 500 and boncsisfent not 460-480 dropping to 430
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:43:38
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Has anyone been testing their cards in another PC to see if the results are the same to at least rule out the PC being the problem?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:44:53
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Ehh.. 41/Taiwan (launch day) and i can get 505W+ consistently when i am pushing on X0C. My PR score I posted earlier was a 509W hit.
You’re the first to answer w/this board and these solid numbers
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:46:51
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This isn't an issue, is it? .jpg)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:49:42
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I guess I was “that weird owner with the ftw3 and Strix”. Yes, I managed to purchase a Strix. Not really a big deal, maybe I was lucky. Point is, I gave EVGA 2 weeks to respond to this thread and my return window was almost up. This was a card I paid over $1900 usd for with tax and was further going to invest another $400 in a water block and maybe more over the life of the card. Sorry, not going to take that sitting down if I have the option to return my card and I wasn’t getting a good feeling the direction this was heading with EVGA.
I wanted nothing more than to give EVGA a chance with Ampere as I have never owned an EVGA graphics card and was generally excited about having features like the temperature monitors. But NOT at the expense of a subpar PCB and components for the money. Yes, the market sucks right now and it’s very much a sellers market given demand greatly outstrips supply. But clearly is EVGA producing a board with cheaper components for the same money as their competitors and pocketing the rest.
I can also tell you flashing the 500w bios on my Strix did actually have a tangible improvement in both power draw and a roughly 200 point increase in Port Royal score. And yes, my card now shows up as an EVGA card on 3dmark, but I promise it isn’t...
Regarding the Chinese vs Taiwan argument. We really need some shots of the Chinese pcb, preferably close ups of the voltage controllers and vrms/capacitors.
Yea it just felt like you were popping in here to gloat with your big fancy scores and listing your name, over all the people in here struggling to find solutions that maybe can’t return or are searching for solutions: you came to gloat.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:51:41
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Which you are still doing with your humblebrag responses
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:52:13
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What day did your order/day card shipped? Also, if it is possible, can you find out your PCB revision number Emmanuel? It’s located right near pcie teeth on fan side
It shipped on November 12th. I wish I could do that but pulling out this card would be a PITA right now. I had to slide it in at a 45 degree angle while pulling away my CPU tubing and I'm not repeating that until it's because I have a waterblock to install on this card :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:55:20
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What day did your order/day card shipped? Also, if it is possible, can you find out your PCB revision number Emmanuel? It’s located right near pcie teeth on fan side
It shipped on November 12th. I wish I could do that but pulling out this card would be a PITA right now. I had to slide it in at a 45 degree angle while pulling away my CPU tubing and I'm not repeating that until it's because I have a waterblock to install on this card :)
Understandable: although it would be a biiiiig help to know if they revised PCB board as mine is from oct 9th. Are you getting 500w constant draw? What is avg/constant draw in furmark or something (can be a quick run like 1-2 minutes)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 08:57:16
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This isn't an issue, is it?
Bump
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:01:46
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This isn't an issue, is it?
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Shouldn't be. If I remember some breakdown video explanations, those MLCC caps actually can be shorted to each other since they are acting as one (from der Bauer's re-soldering of an all SPCAP board to all MLCC). It looks sloppy, but shouldn't affect anything.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:04:00
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This isn't an issue, is it?
Not an issue, just cosmetic. ETA: Protofax deleted his image??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:06:25
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I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:08:11
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I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
We have 1 guy raiden who says he’s got a launch day Taiwan that rocks 500w consistently..but he is the current outlier
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