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rgarodnick
Just ran a test in PR and furmark. Pcie slot hit a peak of 79.3w and 77w sustained. I'm assuming that's within spec? (On stock oc bios). In a game (squad) the peak I saw on the pcie slot was 80.2w. thoughts?

The PCIE socket standard is 75W and under. Higher end motherboard can take more with the supplemental PCIE power input (molex or GPU PCIE connector for the newer boards). With that said, Furmark is an extreme power leech and isn't a realistic load - use games and standard benchmarks (like Port Royal) as the true test.
 
With that said, my card was out of spec (up to 86W peak, 78 to 82W sustained) at the stock 450W OC VBIOS with no overclocking depending on the benchmark/load - and with the rather expensive add-in cards that I have (RAID, dual 10GbE, Optane drive) and the rather hard to find at retail prices 10940X CPU, I am not comfortable with it especially since I do overclock (which could theoretically increase power draw even further). Nope, sustained out of spec power draw without overclocking and the fact that the card seems limited to 430-440W total power draw possibly because of the out of spec PCIE power draw means I have no second thoughts about RMAing this. Also, even though the power target shows 107 in PX1, under load it sustains 113 to 123% (and sometimes higher) - something isn't quite right.

Actually this isn't entirely correct.
The PCIE slot is spec'd to 75W, however on newer motherboards, multiple people have run it at 90-100 mhz without problems.  I know one person who tested 120 watts from the PCIE slot right here.
with a temperature gun.
 
https://www.overclock.net...page-240#post-28672806
 
I'm pulling 95W from my PCIE slot max with the shunt mod.
 
The 6 pin PCIE plug/8 pin auxiliary that you're referring to is NOT for drawing more than 75W through a single port.  It's for supplementing the TOTAL power available to ALL PCIE slots if you are using multiple video cards.  That auxiliary plug is supposed to be for using high power SLI or triple crossfire/SLI setups (150W-225W), so that the 24 pin's 12v cables supplying the PCIE slot doesn't burn out.
 
It has nothing to do with an individual slot's resistance.  As long as you don't have multiple PCIE video cards, you should be able to draw 100W through the PCIE slot without a problem and without the auxiliary connector.
 
On my laptop, for example, I have a GTX 1070 MXM video card (115W).  GTX 1080's that draw 150W do not come with supplementary power cables and draw all their power through the PCIE slot.  GTX 1080's that have a 200W TDP *do* have auxiliary power cables because the MXM slot is spec'd for 150W continuous and 195W "burst."
 
However I'm drawing *230W* directly through the MXM slot with a power TDP modded GTX 1070.  Yeah.  Those pins probably get mighty warm, but that laptop has been modded for 2 years and hasn't blown up yet.
 
In other words, you're fine with 100W or less.  Besides the fuse issue, I would be careful about EXCEEDING 100W, but I bet Z490 and Z590 boards can handle it for sure.

Kylearan
 
Actually this isn't entirely correct.
The PCIE slot is spec'd to 75W, however on newer motherboards, multiple people have run it at 90-100 mhz without problems.  I know one person who tested 120 watts from the PCIE slot right here.
with a temperature gun.
 
https://www.overclock.net...page-240#post-28672806
 
I'm pulling 95W from my PCIE slot max with the shunt mod.
 
The 6 pin PCIE plug/8 pin auxiliary that you're referring to is NOT for drawing more than 75W through a single port.  It's for supplementing the TOTAL power available to ALL PCIE slots if you are using multiple video cards.  That auxiliary plug is supposed to be for using high power SLI or triple crossfire/SLI setups (150W-225W), so that the 24 pin's 12v cables supplying the PCIE slot doesn't burn out.
 
It has nothing to do with an individual slot's resistance.  As long as you don't have multiple PCIE video cards, you should be able to draw 100W through the PCIE slot without a problem and without the auxiliary connector.
 
On my laptop, for example, I have a GTX 1070 MXM video card (115W).  GTX 1080's that draw 150W do not come with supplementary power cables and draw all their power through the PCIE slot.  GTX 1080's that have a 200W TDP *do* have auxiliary power cables because the MXM slot is spec'd for 150W continuous and 195W "burst."
 
However I'm drawing *230W* directly through the MXM slot with a power TDP modded GTX 1070.  Yeah.  Those pins probably get mighty warm, but that laptop has been modded for 2 years and hasn't blown up yet.
 
In other words, you're fine with 100W or less.  Besides the fuse issue, I would be careful about EXCEEDING 100W, but I bet Z490 and Z590 boards can handle it for sure.

You can do as you like with your system, but I am not going to chance losing my other property or data because of an out of spec (at stock!) GPU.
 
Edit: also, I can directly refute you on the "As long as you don't have multiple PCIE video cards, you should be able to draw 100W through the PCIE slot without a problem and without the auxiliary connector." This is incorrect, as I've had problems before with all of my PCIE cards and only a single GPU - without supplemental power, I'd have the computer post an error code and not boot. Found out after 3 motherboard RMAs (all brand new X99 boards btw (before I got my X299 FTW K setup) - surprising, but kudos to EVGA) that the PCIE supplemental power HAD to be plugged in for my setup. (raid card, PCIE drive, dual 10GbE card, single GPU)

Kylearan
Hey I wasn't trying to tell you what to do!
I was trying to correct you in you saying that the auxiliary power connector will help you with drawing more than 75W through the PCIE slot.  It won't.
It will only help if multiple high power PCIE cards are in your system.  If you have one video card, having that connector plugged in won't help you at all.  A video card pulling 120W through 1 slot is less work for the ATX12v connector than two 75W video cards....(150W).  Now if someone had two SLI video cards and a third PCIE slot card of some sort, then yes, plugging in that connector would make sense.
 
I had to make this clear to people because a lot of people don't understand the purpose of that connector.  It was even asked about years ago on the ROG forums and I had to do my research regarding it.

I edited my post too late for your response, but I have direct, personal experience that refutes the dual card only scenario:
 
Also, I can directly refute you on the "As long as you don't have multiple PCIE video cards, you should be able to draw 100W through the PCIE slot without a problem and without the auxiliary connector." This is incorrect, as I've had problems before with all of my PCIE cards and only a single GPU after about 6 months of it working fine (without supplemental power). About 6 months later, without supplemental power, the computer started not booting and would post an error code. Found out after 3 motherboard RMAs (all brand new X99 boards btw (before I got my X299 FTW K setup) - surprising, but kudos to EVGA) that the PCIE supplemental power HAD to be plugged in for my setup. (raid card, PCIE drive, dual 10GbE card, single GPU)
 
Getting really off topic now, so I'll leave it there.

Is this some sort of weird roundabout told ya so humblebrag?

email2me
While it is crappy the issues with this card, I would like to thank EVGA for the smooth RMA - thank you.
 
Hopefully next time things will go better for all concerned.
 
Having completed the return, I bought the ASUS RTX 3090 ROG STRIX. The Asus card has been without issue. Since this was my first Asus card I was a bit concerned. But so far so good and it scored a 14877 on Port Royal, #61 on Hall of Fame (my handle is "too*slow").
 

 
Anyway, this thread has been hugely helpful, thank you!

 
Curious how you got your hands on one of those so quickly (after the fact of having an EVGA), and how much it cost you....
 
I've only seen them available on Ebay from scalpers selling north of $2400.

Perhaps tech powerup has one?

aukyo
the 1 on the tech powerup works but its only giving me a little increase in benchmarking and is putting out around 100 watt more from the wall,

but it is not giving me a fps boost jn games it seems

Thanks for the info. I've been a little afraid to try the xc3 bios on my ftw3 ultra. Wasn't sure what would happen using a bios intended for a different power layout.

 I read so many weird thing here and no sense.
 
This guy return is card and the day after own a strix when no store have 1 card of any brand.
 
Scoring 14800 in port royal and before 14400 with the evga ultra. 400+ for a card wich was bought on ebay at twicw the price of the evga ! WHAT A GREAT DEAL : Congratulation.
 
Actually i dont know what happen in this thread. 
 
The strix is more noisy and hotter then the evga out of the box. I cant ear my evga ftw3 in my case. I pay msrp.

Could this be a bios issue with the Taiwanese cards somehow? Like for some reason the XOC bios is having issues with the Taiwan cards but works fine for the Chinese cards?

Jarmel
Could this be a bios issue with the Taiwanese cards somehow? Like for some reason the XOC bios is having issues with the Taiwan cards but works fine for the Chinese cards?

That is the current hypothesis we’ve developed since yesterday morning. Data supports it.

changboy
 I read so many weird thing here and no sense.
 
This guy return is card and the day after own a strix when no store have 1 card of any brand.
 
Scoring 14800 in port royal and before 14400 with the evga ultra. 400+ for a card wich was bought on ebay at twicw the price of the evga ! WHAT A GREAT DEAL : Congratulation.
 
Actually i dont know what happen in this thread. 
 
The strix is more noisy and hotter then the evga out of the box. I cant ear my evga ftw3 in my case. I pay msrp.

That was just one weird dude about the Strix, we’re trying to figure out why most of us don’t see any real tangible gains from the XOC bios vs stock OC bios, in power draw or benchmark points while some of us instantly get 500w power draw and 600-800 port royal points instantly. So far you are the only person with a board from Taiwan that gets close to those numbers.

willm1224
That is the current hypothesis we’ve developed since yesterday morning. Data supports it.

Well that's a potentially separate issue then this being hardware related and if it is the case, then it should be fixable via a software update. Again, assuming that the issue is on the bios side.

Jarmel

willm1224
That is the current hypothesis we’ve developed since yesterday morning. Data supports it.

Well that's a potentially separate issue then this being hardware related and if it is the case, then it should be fixable via a software update. Again, assuming that the issue is on the bios side.

Well, why would the same bios run differently on two “identical” cards made at two separate plants...that seems hardware related (bios runs on those cards and msi gaming x trio’s but not from ftw3’s out of the Taiwanese plant)

dejanco

willm1224

dejanco
If I paid so much money just to get an taiwanese "card", which is inferior, i will get really angry. Still hope there will be 2 bioses. -.-

It’s only inferior in the it can’t draw more than 450w it’s identical in every other way w/two bioses and a switch.

yeah, than this means, that taiwanese cards are inferior. This in turn means, that customers pay the same price but get two different boards. Good for EVGA, bad for some hardcore OC customers. Ergo: Last EVGA GPU for me.  

I agree 100%

Just to add to this, mine does the same thing. No matter what settings I use, I cannot hit more than around 450w on the OC 500w bios. Overclocking +100-150 on GPU lowers this to 420-430w. I tried it with furmark and kombustor. Furmark seems to get me to peak around 455w.
 
EDIT: Card is from Taiwan.
 
https://i.imgur.com/tqgcBsh.png (click link to see enlarged)