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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 11:56:34
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I "technically" have the issue after sporadic monitoring here and there, plus I got my card last December. so I know it's an older revision. But honestly, it clocks really well and has been a solid card for me for 6 months now. Not sure it is worth the hassle and cost for "possibly" a few extra benchmark points or lower PCIe power draw. I think I can live with ~78W on the PCIe slot and be just fine. I highly doubt that is going to hurt anything on the motherboard or GPU PCB. Plus like anything; you're entered back into the silicon lottery for overclocking and this card OC's quite well for me in games and benchmarks.
Even though the issue is probably hardware related as has been eluded to; somehow when I got the Resizeable BAR XOC bios (500W) through Precision X1 a month or so ago, I am able to hit extremely close to 500W now with less PCIe power draw than before. This was my GPUz after about 2+ hours of BFV with the power slider maxed out for 500W.
Don't bother... you could end up with a lower performing card. If you've got a decent motherboard that has additional power, I wouldn't worry.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Plus, when gaming, I generally keep the power limit at 450W instead (which my PCIe never tops 75W at). 500W adds a small amount of boost, but a barely noticeable FPS gain at 4k gaming outside of benchmark scores... were talking like less than 1FPS at 4K in most cases between 450W and 500W at the cost of more power and heat. My Mobo is an MSI MEG ACE x570 board... not exactly a budget board, so I think I'll be good! 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 15:18:08
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I know you guys are all dying to hear whether EVGA got back to me - they did! Just got approved for a cross-ship RMA via the 3090oc email.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 15:32:12
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So my special 3090OC RMA card is a brand new retail boxed 3090 2114 serial with rev1.0 on the board. PCI slot power below 70, max board power draw 470W with just the power slider to 119%, no OC. Happy with the results, will do more testing later. Thank you EVGA!!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 16:29:44
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If you wanna see your card pull its max power run furmark for a while.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 17:15:23
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 17:54:14
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OK, here is my situation. I was approved for the Special RMA program buy emailing the 3090OC@evga.com email at the end of April. I packed up the my card and sent it in via a standard RMA. A few days later, my replacement card was shipped, it was a card that started with the SN 2114 and had the standard 3090 FTW3 part number 24G-P5-3987-KR. At the time there was a lot of discussion on this thread about a version 2 of the card and a different "internal" part number "24G-P5- 3982-B2". I reached back out to to 3090OC@evga.com and asked for some clarification. They stated that they had mistakenly sent me the wrong card and that they would be sending me another card as an advanced RMA that would be for the special program to address the power load issue. The "incorrect" card was delivered to me on 14 May. The correct card should get here Friday 21 May, and it also has a SN that starts with 2114. In trying to keep up with this thread, it has been stated that the cards that are version 2 have a revision version printed on the PCIE tab for Rev 1.0, and the original cards have Rev 0.1. That being said, I decided to look at the "incorrect" card that they sent me, the card that the PM team stated was sent to me incorrectly, has Rev 1.0 printed on the PCIE tab. So now I am really confused. The incorrect card was in a brand new retail box and has a "Rev 1.0" printed on the PCIE tab. I have not tried it out, it is still in the anti-static bag. What is my best path forward here? I have a hard time believing that there isn't a quick way to determine which version of the card I have. On Friday, I will have 2 of them, and want to make sure that I'm getting one that has this issue corrected. Thank you for your help! -Jason
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 17:57:53
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OK, here is my situation.
I was approved for the Special RMA program buy emailing the 3090OC@evga.com email at the end of April.
I packed up the my card and sent it in via a standard RMA. A few days later, my replacement card was shipped, it was a card that started with the SN 2114 and had the standard 3090 FTW3 part number 24G-P5-3987-KR.
At the time there was a lot of discussion on this thread about a version 2 of the card and a different "internal" part number "24G-P5-3982-B2".
I reached back out to to 3090OC@evga.com and asked for some clarification. They stated that they had mistakenly sent me the wrong card and that they would be sending me another card as an advanced RMA that would be for the special program to address the power load issue. The "incorrect" card was delivered to me on 14 May. The correct card should get here Friday 21 May, and it also has a SN that starts with 2114.
In trying to keep up with this thread, it has been stated that the cards that are version 2 have a revision version printed on the PCIE tab for Rev 1.0, and the original cards have Rev 0.1.
That being said, I decided to look at the "incorrect" card that they sent me, the card that the PM team stated was sent to me incorrectly, has Rev 1.0 printed on the PCIE tab.
So now I am really confused. The incorrect card was in a brand new retail box and has a "Rev 1.0" printed on the PCIE tab. I have not tried it out, it is still in the anti-static bag.
What is my best path forward here?
I have a hard time believing that there isn't a quick way to determine which version of the card I have. On Friday, I will have 2 of them, and want to make sure that I'm getting one that has this issue corrected.
Thank you for your help!
-Jason
It sounds to me like you got the revised PCB since it says Rev 1.0 on it. My replacement is Rev 1.0. Throw the new one you got in and try it out. I am much happier with mine, especially the PCIe power draw.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 18:08:37
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It sounds to me like you got the revised PCB since it says Rev 1.0 on it. My replacement is Rev 1.0. Throw the new one you got in and try it out. I am much happier with mine, especially the PCIe power draw.
I'm just concerned that there isn't a good method to determine which card version has the fix. Why would the PM team tell me that I didn't have the correct card, when I was shipped a Rev 1.0 card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 18:22:14
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It sounds to me like you got the revised PCB since it says Rev 1.0 on it. My replacement is Rev 1.0. Throw the new one you got in and try it out. I am much happier with mine, especially the PCIe power draw.
I'm just concerned that there isn't a good method to determine which card version has the fix. Why would the PM team tell me that I didn't have the correct card, when I was shipped a Rev 1.0 card?
I could be wrong but I think this is what's happening. 1. Evga made their cards with analog power controller (rev 0.1). 2. Starting on March 19, 2021 the new revised cards with the XOC bios preloaded started shipping out to customers. These cards are probably the same as what this program is for. 3. This program got started to make sure those who have the power issue can get a replacement with one of the revised cards. If going through the standard RMA there is a possibility of getting a revision 0.1 card. 4. This brings me to this, they sent a new card and didn't mark it with their internal numbering, but because this card is new and probably from a batch post March 21 it is a revised card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 18:29:46
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I'm going to add to the confusion. My RMA card shipped with bios 94.02.42.C0.02 installed in the OC slot, however, the sticker on the PCB says bios 94.02.42.C0.0 5. The plot thickens! I think eg1122 is right though, I think the PM team just made a mistake when they said they sent the wrong one. Take pictures of both when you have them and compare them. Bet they are identical. Edit: also, Jsunn, your build is incredible. Nice work.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 19:09:31
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Maybe a bit offtopic but I will tell you
Important Note: The radiator fans are connected to the motherboard, the other for VRM/Phases is managed by the card itself.
For those that installed the Hybrid Kit on the FTW3 Ultra Gaming and use the XC3 BIOS try the new game "Days Gone". This game manages to completely override the fan configuration making it rump up and down and turn silent and the result is obvious, a huge overheat on the VRM/Phases (71-73C) and GPU (65C+) MEM also super hot. I tried everything and nothing works. So I pushed the SCALE in-game to 150% (100% is normal) and now the fan spin fast but GPU Clocks drop from 2100 to 1825-1895 and stay there with a 99% LOAD, this is how the NON RMA Program GPU would react in a super heavy load scenario and with AIO. I don't recall what bench was or if I was still on air back then, but one of them did the same to me. I think this will also happen to me with a 4K monitor pushing the GPU.
BTW I'm still waiting for my RMA :/
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 20:14:55
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Whats this about a bad power issue?
I've been having my LED go nuts during benchmarking (3DMark, multiple tests) and my third fan (near the power cables) just stopping or speeding up...sad part, I'm already using an RMA card over faulty power sensors lol.
Someone mind filling me in? I'm going to go check my PCB for chuckles, but I evidently missed something big.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 20:16:09
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Whats this about a bad power issue?
I've been having my LED go nuts during benchmarking (3DMark, multiple tests) and my third fan (near the power cables) just stopping or speeding up...sad part, I'm already using an RMA card over faulty power sensors lol.
Someone mind filling me in? I'm going to go check my PCB for chuckles, but I evidently missed something big.
Post #2 has some consolidated info from EVGA_Jacob.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 20:17:55
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arestavo
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Whats this about a bad power issue?
I've been having my LED go nuts during benchmarking (3DMark, multiple tests) and my third fan (near the power cables) just stopping or speeding up...sad part, I'm already using an RMA card over faulty power sensors lol.
Someone mind filling me in? I'm going to go check my PCB for chuckles, but I evidently missed something big.
Post #2 has some consolidated info from EVGA_Jacob.
Much appreciated. How the heck I missed post #2 is beyond me lol. Sounds like exactly what i went through with 8-Pin #3 (fingers crossed), I haven't even got to the OC BIOS yet I've been so busy with so many issues all at once in my rig haha. Not a good thing, but a sad fact. Wonder if it was corrected, my 8-Pins seem to be okay but my RMA was done in march as well. hrm, looks like I have some self diagnosing to do, starting with the revision. Thanks again.
post edited by Spasm555 - 2021/05/19 20:23:06
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 20:46:53
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One more question, I had gotten a BIOS through PX1 and flashed it back over it kicking my 3rd fan into high gear. Now I can't seem to get it to reflash that BIOS in case its my issue.
Anyone know how i would go about doing that? I CAN'T enable ReBar, my mobo doesn't support it.
I backed up the default BIOS, never thought to back that one up.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/19 22:36:53
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Well I got my revision card reinstalled and loop refilled, just a random question does anyone know how to force GPU-z's sensors to stay on top of whatever bench you are running. I don't have 2 monitors setup atm.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS
2021/05/19 23:25:25
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All that info everywhere for something we cant even see on a picture? I am sick and tired of all those miners around… just want to play Warzone on 144fps :(.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 00:02:22
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My new card PR result with preinstalled OC bios https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1044131
I'm assuming that's on water, right? Those temps
Jep, air-cooled was 14800, all these tests were done quickly, all sliders max and go :-)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 02:39:50
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According to courier my RMA containing original card was today delivered to EVGA Germany. Lets see when EVGA process it a nd send replacement... I was Assured that replacement should be revised card so lets hope I will not play ping pong with cards like some of us... fingers crossed. Will keep you posted on any development.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 03:21:41
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Delete.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 03:29:21
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Well I got my revision card reinstalled and loop refilled, just a random question does anyone know how to force GPU-z's sensors to stay on top of whatever bench you are running. I don't have 2 monitors setup atm.
No, although it has the option...what I did, annoyingly I admit...was set ONLY the sensors I needed to read (it becomes an unformatted mess) and had it log to file right before doing a bench which is in the bottom right corner IIRC. You may be able to programmatically do it, but the option didn't work for me by itself and I haven't tried.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 05:41:55
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Edit: Meant to quote andressergio. Is 71-73 that hot really to where it might cause damage? I have the FTW3 Ultra 3090 with the hybrid kit and PWR hits 80c sometimes. I definitely don't love it considering it's liquid cooled , and I've replaced everything with those super overpriced gelid pads like 4 times trying to get better temps,. Sick of taking it apart and putting it together again. I even bought a second hybrid kit and tried that. I think my card just runs really hot. GPU usually maxes out around 65c and I used a caliper and everything to get the pads right after I wasn't satisfied with original hybrid temps. Just curious if anyone thinks that that gonna be problematic. It runs fine and can hit 500w, it's one of the OG first two or three passes of cards too from EVGA... I mean I got a 10 year warranty but who wants to have to put the original cooler back on and wait a month for shipping...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 08:26:17
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I know you guys are all dying to hear whether EVGA got back to me - they did! Just got approved for a cross-ship RMA via the 3090oc email.
How were you able to get cross ship approved? Did you purchase the advanced RMA when you registered your card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 09:03:36
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Those who have done the special rma on the hybrid with cross ship/advanced RMA, have they shipped out your replacement?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 10:07:47
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I know you guys are all dying to hear whether EVGA got back to me - they did! Just got approved for a cross-ship RMA via the 3090oc email.
How were you able to get cross ship approved? Did you purchase the advanced RMA when you registered your card?
Nope, since I purchased a B-stock card, I wasn't actually eligible to purchase advanced RMA - they just offered it to me (I did have to pay a collateral though; advance RMA does not afaik)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 11:29:01
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OK, so I installed the first RMA card I received for the program.     When I opened X1 precision, it said that it needed to install new firmware, but the card already had the firmware updated from EVGA, but it updated anyway. The version in the GPU-Z image is before the update that X1 installed. After X1 made the update, the firmware was the same. A sticker on the card says it had Firmware: 94.02.42.C0.05 GPU-Z stated it had firmware: 94.02.42.C0.02 After X1 "Updated" the Firmware: 94.02.42.C0.02 hmm...? This is so confusing. My second card arrives tomorrow. -Jason
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 11:35:17
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Jsunn
OK, so I installed the first RMA card I received for the program.
   
When I opened X1 precision, it said that it needed to install new firmware, but the card already had the firmware updated from EVGA, but it updated anyway.
The version in the GPU-Z image is before the update that X1 installed.
After X1 made the update, the firmware was the same.
A sticker on the card says it had Firmware: 94.02.42.C0.05
GPU-Z stated it had firmware: 94.02.42.C0.02
After X1 "Updated" the Firmware: 94.02.42.C0.02
hmm...? This is so confusing.
My second card arrives tomorrow.
-Jason
PX1 forces an update to the microcontroller unit firmware (MCU) that controls the fans and RGB. The VBIOS is something different, and only the latest PX1 versions have had the option to manually (you're not forced to) update to the rebar enabled VBIOS version. These fixed cards should hopefully all ship with rebar enabled VBIOSs (VBIOSs rarely need updating), but not necessarily the latest MCU firmware (which is updated by EVGA to fix issues with the fans/RGB, as well as interaction with Nvidia drivers and the PX1 software). The OC slot and the normal slot will have different versions of the VBIOS. I'm guessing that the normal VBIOS revision is shown on a sticker on the card, and you're in the OC position which has a different version number since it doesn't have a 0dB mode, but has a 33% minimum fan speed. If you want to check that, make sure you reboot the PC after flipping the VBIOS switch.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 11:49:07
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If I want to put a hybrid kit on a rev 1.0 card, do I need to wait for an updated hybrid vbios? Anyone done anything like this?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 12:04:55
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If I want to put a hybrid kit on a rev 1.0 card, do I need to wait for an updated hybrid vbios? Anyone done anything like this?
If you want the ReBAR version of the BIOS, I can provide it for you. Send me a PM with your part number.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/05/20 12:36:10
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piegoodman
DarkEch0es
piegoodman
I know you guys are all dying to hear whether EVGA got back to me - they did! Just got approved for a cross-ship RMA via the 3090oc email.
How were you able to get cross ship approved? Did you purchase the advanced RMA when you registered your card?
Nope, since I purchased a B-stock card, I wasn't actually eligible to purchase advanced RMA - they just offered it to me (I did have to pay a collateral though; advance RMA does not afaik)
I'm honestly stunned. I have like 5 emails going back and forth with EVGA (through the 3090oc email) with me asking for cross ship as I need my computer for work and can't afford days/weeks of downtime, and them saying no it's not at all possible. What a load of BS this whole thing has been, last EVGA product I ever buy.
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