• EVGA does not guarantee any performance increase or overclock while using this BIOS update... come on guys it's a BETA VERSION , goggle it, i will save you all the trouble,  

ebluephantom
EVGA will find themselves in legal hot water soon if either scenario is true because publicizing false information about your product is very illegal.

Stickboy46

Den-ko

Stickboy46

ebluephantom
All this arguing between customers is pointless. The real problem is EVGA has seemingly lied in this forum post and through twitter and other social media such as youtube about the 3090 FTW3's ability to use 500W with this XOC bios. At best this is negligence, at worse this is blatant false advertising especially because some users explicitly made purchasing decisions based upon this information given by EVGA. EVGA will find themselves in legal hot water soon if either scenario is true because publicizing false information about your product is very illegal. All someone like Jacob or someone on the BIOS dev team has to confirm is either A) This is a hardware issue, abandon hope of a SW fix or B) This is a bug and a SW fix is imminent. It really is that simple.
 

No... there is no chance at false advertising "legal hot water".  It hits what it is advertised at on the stock bios.  There is absolutely nothing illegal.  Sorry, no kicking and screaming will change that.  

here is the labeling on this bios
 
"We have a new BETA BIOS that increases the maximum Power Target. This BIOS is only intended for the extreme overclocking user and does not have any other changes. Please note the following:

• This update will increase the power consumption while overclocking, and is recommended you have adequate cooling and power (850w+ Gold minimum) when using this.
• EVGA does not guarantee any performance increase or overclock while using this BIOS update."

 
No where does it guarantee you a power amount.  It flat out says it doesn't guarantee any performance or overclock increase.  The power TARGET does change to 119%.  Does not mean it hits that power.
 
They have stated they are looking into it.  If they are still looking into it then they can't post whether its a hardware or software problem ... because they don't know yet.  It's really that simple.  Your card is operating as advertised. If you are impatient, then return it and buy from another company.    

Hi, I don't think people truly want to hate on EVGA or their marketing... they are just putting a high quality standard on EVGA's products because they are used to EVGA being a leader. In their shortcomings(on the ultra high end power user side) that praise quickly turns into what we're seeing right now. All we can do at the moment(for ultra high end consumers) is to wait patiently for a solution. If a solution isn't present and you decide to keep the card it will affect EVGA's reputation (among ultra high end users). I think they know what's at stake here and are working very hard to please people. For the frustrated high end users, this is the price we pay for early adopting, if you're looking for the best performance possible it's always best to wait and let other people figure it out for you. 

Agreed.  To your point though... there is a CANYON of a gap between "EVGA not living up to their ultra high quality standards" and "Legal hot water for false advertising".  My point is yes, if they just sweep it under the rug that this bios seems to work better on other companies cards than their own .. then it might a knock off their reputation.  That said .. they still provided one .. I'd still hold them up at a higher reputation than the other companies that provided no support at all (and no extra bios).  At no point have they approached false advertising though.  

Den-ko

Stickboy46

Den-ko

Stickboy46

ebluephantom
All this arguing between customers is pointless. The real problem is EVGA has seemingly lied in this forum post and through twitter and other social media such as youtube about the 3090 FTW3's ability to use 500W with this XOC bios. At best this is negligence, at worse this is blatant false advertising especially because some users explicitly made purchasing decisions based upon this information given by EVGA. EVGA will find themselves in legal hot water soon if either scenario is true because publicizing false information about your product is very illegal. All someone like Jacob or someone on the BIOS dev team has to confirm is either A) This is a hardware issue, abandon hope of a SW fix or B) This is a bug and a SW fix is imminent. It really is that simple.
 

No... there is no chance at false advertising "legal hot water".  It hits what it is advertised at on the stock bios.  There is absolutely nothing illegal.  Sorry, no kicking and screaming will change that.  

here is the labeling on this bios
 
"We have a new BETA BIOS that increases the maximum Power Target. This BIOS is only intended for the extreme overclocking user and does not have any other changes. Please note the following:

• This update will increase the power consumption while overclocking, and is recommended you have adequate cooling and power (850w+ Gold minimum) when using this.
• EVGA does not guarantee any performance increase or overclock while using this BIOS update."

 
No where does it guarantee you a power amount.  It flat out says it doesn't guarantee any performance or overclock increase.  The power TARGET does change to 119%.  Does not mean it hits that power.
 
They have stated they are looking into it.  If they are still looking into it then they can't post whether its a hardware or software problem ... because they don't know yet.  It's really that simple.  Your card is operating as advertised. If you are impatient, then return it and buy from another company.    

Hi, I don't think people truly want to hate on EVGA or their marketing... they are just putting a high quality standard on EVGA's products because they are used to EVGA being a leader. In their shortcomings(on the ultra high end power user side) that praise quickly turns into what we're seeing right now. All we can do at the moment(for ultra high end consumers) is to wait patiently for a solution. If a solution isn't present and you decide to keep the card it will affect EVGA's reputation (among ultra high end users). I think they know what's at stake here and are working very hard to please people. For the frustrated high end users, this is the price we pay for early adopting, if you're looking for the best performance possible it's always best to wait and let other people figure it out for you. 

Agreed.  To your point though... there is a CANYON of a gap between "EVGA not living up to their ultra high quality standards" and "Legal hot water for false advertising".  My point is yes, if they just sweep it under the rug that this bios seems to work better on other companies cards than their own .. then it might a knock off their reputation.  That said .. they still provided one .. I'd still hold them up at a higher reputation than the other companies that provided no support at all (and no extra bios).  At no point have they approached false advertising though.  

I agree with what you said, I think EVGA does a great job on the software side of things, but some hardware issues aren't patchable(or at least not by me my electrical engineering skills suck :) ). This is causing a lot of panic and anxiety considering how much money we paid... 6900XT reveal... 2020... I wish we could take it easy and not make this thread a hostile environment... Let's give them constructive feedback and what we're experiencing with the beta bios so they can fix the issues.

ebluephantom
All this arguing between customers is pointless. The real problem is EVGA has seemingly lied in this forum post and through twitter and other social media such as youtube about the 3090 FTW3's ability to use 500W with this XOC bios. At best this is negligence, at worse this is blatant false advertising especially because some users explicitly made purchasing decisions based upon this information given by EVGA. EVGA will find themselves in legal hot water soon if either scenario is true because publicizing false information about your product is very illegal. All someone like Jacob or someone on the BIOS dev team has to confirm is either A) This is a hardware issue, abandon hope of a SW fix or B) This is a bug and a SW fix is imminent. It really is that simple.

MonnieRock
Planned on purchasing a FTW3 3090, but this thread has made me hold off on the purchase.
 
Don't understand. 500w bios should be easy:
Card max load (99%-100%)
Temps under control (35°C-45°C)
75w pci slot
142w for each 8 pin
Consistent, not peaks and spikes
 
Until I see this, no purchase

ehabash1
Listen it's not THAT big of a deal and I'm not gona start talking legal and illegal. I think ppl are upset (myself included) with the way that they have been acting in regards to this entire thing.
 
How could you not know that the 3080 shipped with a 400w bios? It literally says in every piece of software FOR EVERY SINGLE 3080 very clearly that its 400watts. Dont sit there and be like, "what thats funny..on our test benches our 3080s are getting 420watts..all good over here"
like what?
and then you do the same thing with the 3090 bios. "oh we are getting 500w over here, everyone go and check your peak watts that you can achieve" to try and trick ppl into thinking the bios is working  even though we already know the cards can peak at +30 over stock bios for a few seconds. This is with all cards out there.
 
Thats not the same as a steady 500w and the fact that it works on other cards adds salt. Then I talk to a very good hardware engineer who tells me this card is locked at 450w... what am i supposed to think?
 
At best, they've been acting SHADY
The silence from EVGA has been telling
 
If they come out and say, "hey we are sorry it isnt working the way we thought it would and will be difficult to increase power on these cards"
okay well then we will accept it and shut up. But when you act in a way that comes off as deceitful, well; you lose trust.
Before this i was an Evga fanboy. I would see the other cards and say okay well wait for the FTW3 monster! That will no longer be the case going forward. Not just me but many ppl are put off from Evga now I've seen the frustration on other boards

bloodshot45
 
You seem to have better numbers than every reviewer out there. I await your review proving the 3090 outperforms 3080 by 15-18% clock for clock in most games.
 

ehabash1

bloodshot45
 
You seem to have better numbers than every reviewer out there. I await your review proving the 3090 outperforms 3080 by 15-18% clock for clock in most games.
 

lol


 
do you really think the 3090 isnt more powerful and that the only difference is memory? NO
The performance increase is very real
you just need the correct power draw to support it

QueueCumber
I want to note that RTX games are savage on these cards. With Horizon I had to take my OC down from +165 to +105 to get it to run without failures while non RTX games seem to work fine at +165. Of course, the Bios switch confuses things more, because now I'm not sure if the changes have made me downclock more as well. I seemed to run fine at +150 before the XOC Bios on Horizon, but after the update I had to lower it significantly more to stay stable...

QueueCumber

Achtaeon
Neither Horizon Zero Dawn nor Forza Horizon 4 use ray tracing, Horizon Zero Dawn is just a beat down, even sans ray tracing. Stable overclock greatly varies from title to title depending upon what portion of the GPU architecture is being hit the hardest. You can actually play around w/ this by letting the GPU boost run and seeing where your clocks settle, at least on my card the clock speed in game can vary from 2050 (CODMW RT On) to 1975 (HZD) down to 1900 (RDR2). It's a really confusing architecture from a GPU boost and clock stability standpoint. 

I did not know that about Horizon. I assumed the reason it gave me so many issues is because of RTX, because the light and shading look so convincing. I'm not sure then why something like Destiny 2 can run full graphics at 4k and +165 without any issues for days whereas Horizon at full 4k and +165 crashes frequently.

ehabash1
lol


 
do you really think the 3090 isnt more powerful and that the only difference is memory? NO
The performance increase is very real
you just need the correct power draw to support it