Reliantg
Tried overclocking with 450w bios, power at 107%, I’m at 200 core and 600 mem stable in games and 3dmark. I hardly cross 370w in much of anything. When I was not over clocking and just using the power slider, I settled around 400w in 3dmark and some games at 72c. Not sure why I’m running cooler (mid 60s )and with less power while using a big overclock, but my 3dmark scores have been increasing along with my boost so I know it’s working. 

It’s basically throttling itself because of that core offset. +200 isn’t realistic at all. Not even close.

crossbone

mmonteleone410

markuaw1
Just Tried the XOC BIOS 

Received my card yesterday as well. With XOC Bios .F8, hit 480W-500W on Time Spy. Actually a few 505W's. All settings at 0. Power at 119%

Is that a card with the black trim already?

Red trim.
 

arestavo
I'm curious about the cancer known as geforce experience vs afterburner and GPU Z - if there's a difference in power readings there. So far, if memory serves, all of the 500w (or really close) readings have been shown with the Nvidia program.

A few have been kind of close (480W) with GPU Z.

The results I posted last night were using X1 and recording a GPU-Z log. I'd post the log if there was a way with the forum. I haven't tried it with Afterburner.

ehabash1
I read that estimated total power usage for 24GB GDDR6x is 60W.
The 3090 has 20.5% more cores and 2.4x more vram
 
So basically need 30W+ more for the VRAM, and another 20.5% for the additional cores.
The 3090 would need 575watts to have the same overclocking headroom as the 3080.....
 
and yet Evga decided to go over spec on the 3080 and made this a huge issue. Now everyone who has the 3090 is getting screwed over because they could of bought the MUCH MUCH cheaper card for hardly any performance loss. 
 
There is a reason why all the companies are giving their 3090s more power than their 3080s.... yet evga has no problem screwing over their 3090 owners.
 

 
Actually, I bought the 3090 because I could get it....I couldn't get the 3080 I wanted....and yes, I know I spent double the money..it's my money to spend.
 
thanks.
 

HawkOculus

Reliantg
Tried overclocking with 450w bios, power at 107%, I’m at 200 core and 600 mem stable in games and 3dmark. I hardly cross 370w in much of anything. When I was not over clocking and just using the power slider, I settled around 400w in 3dmark and some games at 72c. Not sure why I’m running cooler (mid 60s )and with less power while using a big overclock, but my 3dmark scores have been increasing along with my boost so I know it’s working. 

It’s basically throttling itself because of that core offset. +200 isn’t realistic at all. Not even close.

I don’t disagree but my frequency is much higher and my benchmarks are too, but no matter what I do I can not get it to go more than 400 on either bios. This all just confuses me because it should not be this way. Also, I do crash at higher offsets so I’m sure this is having an impact.

ZOGGE! take it easy with that furbench you wouldnt want your card to set on fire  lol
 
Did you also test on the old bios? that would be great info if you had results for both.
 
What i found interesting is ppl are reporting spikes. With the old 450w bios i was regularly spiking into the upper 470s. But i noticed many ppl see this and report that the beta bios is working because of this.
 
But as I've seen with a real 500w, you essentially hold that amount almost the entire time. Just food for thought

Now have 6 days left of which I can return the 3090 FTW3 card to my dealer free of charge as per the law here for a full refund. 


I am quite happy with the card except for the 500W bios not working, which makes this card subpar to other cheaper 3090 cards which can use the full potential, which I thought (and still hope/think) EVGA will not accept and do the changes necessary for us customers - HW RMA/SW update or equal.
 
So my dilemma now is:
 
1) Shall I return it, get the money back, sit with an old Fury Radeon card until we know what happens in EVGA and then re-purchase.  (low risk but boring gaming approach and might not get a new 3090 FTW3 Ultra/normal for months)


2) Shall I keep it, hope for the best and bet on EVGA team to fix it and if things do not go well then I do the step up program to the Kingpin. Assuming it comes in another 69 days and is eligible for the step up. (high risk but I get to keep the card for now at least)


3) Shall I return it and buy another brand working with 500W like MSI or buy the EVGA 3080 FTW3 with 450W bios and put my block there instead and be happy. (medium risk as it will be difficult to snag another 3090 of the top models by being late in the order que, same with the 3080 FTW3 Ultra)
 
That's why I really want EVGA to answer our questions very soon. Hence anyone from EVGA reading this, pretty please provide some answers. 
 
PS. I have already ordered the Optimus block (can be cancelled too) but I want to water cool the solution and that block looks insane.
 

Well I can step up to a FTW3 ultra it says so why not a Kingpin ? 
My cards performs quite well so I am not unsatisfied in that perspective.
But it just feels sad not to utilize the full potential of 3090 - when others can. 

zogge
Well I can step up to a FTW3 ultra it says so why not a Kingpin ? 
My cards performs quite well so I am not unsatisfied in that perspective.
But it just feels sad not to utilize the full potential of 3090 - when others can. 

You can't step up to a Kingpin because EVGA said they were unlikely to add the Kingpin to the Step up program.  It will likely only be FTW3 ultra available.  (it was in one of Jacobs 2039840239849023 tweets over the last month otherwise I would try to link you to it)

ehabash1

transdogmifier
 

Actually, I bought the 3090 because I could get it....I couldn't get the 3080 I wanted....and yes, I know I spent double the money..it's my money to spend.
 
thanks.
 

you not caring that you spent money doesnt change the fact that Evga still screwed over the 3090 owners.
 
brb slap a waterblock on a 3080 with 450watt bios and get essentially the same performance.
brb still save $800 even after the waterblock

 
Uh what? Every single 3090 review on launch showed how the 3090 was a complete waste of money over 3080 purely for gaming. It's your own fault if you purchased the 3090 for gaming by ignoring literally every review out there. NVIDIA used the "8K gaming" term in order to brand the 3090 as a "gaming" card which we all knew was just a rebranded titan card. You buy the 3090 if you need the VRAM for things like Blender or if you have deep pockets and just want the absolute best numbers in gaming regardless of how small the gain is.
 
Also, this has NOTHING to do with EVGA screwing anyone. If you want to put blame on a company then put it on NVIDIA for marketing their 3090 as an "8K" gaming card.
 
I suggest you go watch the GamersNexus review, it was posted on launch...

ehabash1
It's not pointless there is a real difference of 15-18% when the 3090 gets the correct power that it needs
 
The entire difference between a 2080ti and a 3080 is 26% and an additional 15-18% is a big deal and the only viable upgrade path for 2080ti owners...
 
The problem exists when you make purchase decisions because EVGA marketed the 3080 at 420w but ended up giving both cards the same total power output.
 
This is an evga and solely evga issue. They deserve all the flack they are getting and if you want to be a fanboy so be it. Facts are facts

So EVGA marketed the 3080 at 420w and you buyed a 3090 which was marketed as well at 420w.
 
And what did EVGA done wrong now ?? Is your only problem really that you don´t get more than you paid for ??

ehabash1
It's not pointless there is a real difference of 15-18% when the 3090 gets the correct power that it needs
 
The entire difference between a 2080ti and a 3080 is 26% and an additional 15-18% is a big deal and the only viable upgrade path for 2080ti owners...
 

 
You seem to have better numbers than every reviewer out there. I await your review proving the 3090 outperforms 3080 by 15-18% clock for clock in most games.
 
 

ehabash1
The problem exists when you make purchase decisions because EVGA marketed the 3080 at 420w but ended up giving both cards the same total power output.
 
This is an evga and solely evga issue. They deserve all the flack they are getting and if you want to be a fanboy so be it. Facts are facts

The 3090 card was marketed at 440W. This extra 20W was never going to give you the extra performance in gaming that you are claiming.

HAYW1RE
Does anyone have any idea why I'm getting this error when trying to install this bios version? I have a 3090 FTW3 ULTRA and made sure everything was closed and running as admin.
 

Any updates on this from the EVGA team? I can't seem to get this to work.

ebluephantom
All this arguing between customers is pointless. The real problem is EVGA has seemingly lied in this forum post and through twitter and other social media such as youtube about the 3090 FTW3's ability to use 500W with this XOC bios. At best this is negligence, at worse this is blatant false advertising especially because some users explicitly made purchasing decisions based upon this information given by EVGA. EVGA will find themselves in legal hot water soon if either scenario is true because publicizing false information about your product is very illegal. All someone like Jacob or someone on the BIOS dev team has to confirm is either A) This is a hardware issue, abandon hope of a SW fix or B) This is a bug and a SW fix is imminent. It really is that simple.
 

+1

And it’s been over a week now. I find it hard to believe this has taken a week to discern whether this is a physical design limitation or something fixable via firmware. My concern is they are running out the clock on people’s return windows. Whether intended or not, that’s what’s effectively happening. More communication/transparency is needed imo.