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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 20:27:55 (permalink)
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Is this what you’re looking for?

Will try and take better pics when I finally get around to installing it.

This is for the ftw3.


Close, we're trying to determine if the cooler has fins on all the VRM areas on the other side of those pads.
 
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You don't understand i can't install those drivers due to the fact i'm using Hybrid Kit on top of FTW3 Ultra card so those bios can't detect any adapters

 
There is no BIOS for a FTW3 Ultra that has been converted with a Hybrid kit, you would need to use the FTW3 Ultra's XOC BIOS, or wait for them put one out specifically for FTW3s with the hybrid kit on them, if they ever make one.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 20:39:13 (permalink)
Ok took new ones under the pads and both ends have metal fins.
 
Update: Changing pic.
post edited by xXghost323Xx - 2020/12/15 21:10:05

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 20:53:12 (permalink)
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Is this what you’re looking for?

Will try and take better pics when I finally get around to installing it.

This is for the ftw3.



Thank You!!! Yes exactly :) Now it looks much better, sadly no stock anywhere :/

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 21:13:26 (permalink)
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Ok took new ones under the pads and both ends have metal fins.
 
Update: Changing pic.




Thank you kindly, that's EXACTLY what I need to be able to show people it HAS active fins that keep things in there cool & is not just metal plates over things with a fan blowing through nothing (by what logic would that even be a thing... oh wait, brands like Visiontek have done that before lol)
 
 
On another topic: SOoooooooooooooooooo
 
Apparently either a firmware or some other form of update is definitely needed here, outside of the fact that it won't hit the "500W" power limit:
I noticed during testing, both with OC Scan, and with Port Royal, that occasionally in GPUz, something would pop up that I've never seen before on PerfCap: Red.  Red means Thermal (for those like me that have never seen it).  I immediately went "That is literally impossible, Hybrid card, highest temps iCX is seeing are in the low 60s on some Mem & VRM areas".  I figured it had to be an erroneous reading of some sort, and sure enough, after gaming for a bit just now, HWInfo just so happened to pick "it" up - I'm not sure if this is something that can be "fixed" or not, but if so, it definitely should be lol:
 

 
To borrow a GN line: "To my knowledge, the inside of my GPU did not exceed the temperature of the Sun during testing." 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 21:27:44 (permalink)
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Did you happen to take pictures during the kit install at all?  People are asking if the Hybrid kit/cards have an actual heatsink over the VRMs & the like... I can see for certain there is one on the VRM closer to the GPU's exhaust, but I can't get at the angle to confirm the other VRM has fins as well.

No pictures.. VRM heatsinks are part of the shroud. Memory heatsinks is that extra plate.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 21:35:34 (permalink)
Hey EVGA just checking in to see any response or update?  Nope ok, (Deleted for Foul Language) us I suppose.
post edited by XrayMan - 2020/12/15 23:41:45
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 21:45:53 (permalink)
Precision X1 update again right after I finally updated to 1.1.2, that figures :-D

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 21:52:28 (permalink)
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Hey EVGA just checking in to see any response or update?  Nope ok, **** us I suppose.




Asked the same some post above, 2 month almost no reply at all...

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/15 22:26:22 (permalink)
YES!!! Aqua Computer comes in January with the „hottest“ Waterblock ever - the „kryographics NEXT“ + active Backplate 
 https://www.aquacomputer.de/tl_files/aquacomputer/downloads/rtx_3080_3090_product_compatibility_list.pdf
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 05:22:12 (permalink)
Finally decided to give this a try this morning. On the stock bios I was power limited around 448w according to hwinfo64, curiously though GPU-Z was reading 450-460w. To do this I ran a custom fire strike ultra at 4k and paused the demo within the first couple seconds when the character is walking through the smoke. This seemed like a decent way to get the gpu to hold the max power rating.
 
Switched to XOC bios and the same setup I'm now power limited around 480w (483w in GPUZ and 497.542w in hwinfo64). I'm not sure if there is a better app/benchmark/game to run to see if I can get closer to the 500w supposed cap, but I did at least seem to gain 30w from 450w to 480w. Something is working for me, now how do I test for those last 20w....
 
EDIT might also be worth mentioning I turned the GPU lighting off. Might save a few watts I figured. Left fans on auto.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 06:05:43 (permalink)
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Finally decided to give this a try this morning. On the stock bios I was power limited around 448w according to hwinfo64, curiously though GPU-Z was reading 450-460w. To do this I ran a custom fire strike ultra at 4k and paused the demo within the first couple seconds when the character is walking through the smoke. This seemed like a decent way to get the gpu to hold the max power rating.
 
Switched to XOC bios and the same setup I'm now power limited around 480w (483w in GPUZ and 497.542w in hwinfo64). I'm not sure if there is a better app/benchmark/game to run to see if I can get closer to the 500w supposed cap, but I did at least seem to gain 30w from 450w to 480w. Something is working for me, now how do I test for those last 20w....
 
EDIT might also be worth mentioning I turned the GPU lighting off. Might save a few watts I figured. Left fans on auto.



Do you still have the GPU radiator fans plugged in to the GPU?  I think perhaps the card is budgeting those fans in to the power limit, whether or not they are plugged in & drawing power or not, which would explain why it's leaving headroom between the power limit & the numbers it's actually hitting... maybe?
I think plenty of folks on here are only hitting 450-470W, with this BIOS installed, and seeing a PerfCap reason of "PWR" despite the fact that it's supposed to be power limited at 500W.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 06:25:51 (permalink)
Looks like the new Precision X1 updated my firmware...My card is the FTW 3 Ultra. Interesting... 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 06:45:02 (permalink)
 
Could you please tell me where's the stock and OC position on the FTW3 - left stock and right OC?
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 06:58:00 (permalink)
Look on the backplate it will tell you
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 07:23:19 (permalink)
loving that bios for cyberpunk :D
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 07:24:06 (permalink)
So just for clarification: After installing my kit, I should flash the BIOS with the Hybrid one that was uploaded by Jacob? Just to ensure proper fan control and thermal readings and whatnot.
 



 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 07:39:07 (permalink)
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Finally decided to give this a try this morning. On the stock bios I was power limited around 448w according to hwinfo64, curiously though GPU-Z was reading 450-460w. To do this I ran a custom fire strike ultra at 4k and paused the demo within the first couple seconds when the character is walking through the smoke. This seemed like a decent way to get the gpu to hold the max power rating.
 
Switched to XOC bios and the same setup I'm now power limited around 480w (483w in GPUZ and 497.542w in hwinfo64). I'm not sure if there is a better app/benchmark/game to run to see if I can get closer to the 500w supposed cap, but I did at least seem to gain 30w from 450w to 480w. Something is working for me, now how do I test for those last 20w....
 
EDIT might also be worth mentioning I turned the GPU lighting off. Might save a few watts I figured. Left fans on auto.



Do you still have the GPU radiator fans plugged in to the GPU?  I think perhaps the card is budgeting those fans in to the power limit, whether or not they are plugged in & drawing power or not, which would explain why it's leaving headroom between the power limit & the numbers it's actually hitting... maybe?
I think plenty of folks on here are only hitting 450-470W, with this BIOS installed, and seeing a PerfCap reason of "PWR" despite the fact that it's supposed to be power limited at 500W.


Well it is an air cooled card, so yes fans are still plugged into the gpu. Waterblock won't be here for a couple weeks until EK decides to ship them. Can test more on this theory later.



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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 07:58:33 (permalink)
Mine is left OC right normal
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 08:17:26 (permalink)
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So just for clarification: After installing my kit, I should flash the BIOS with the Hybrid one that was uploaded by Jacob? Just to ensure proper fan control and thermal readings and whatnot.



No, that will not work, some others here have already tried it, the BIOS won't flash, it will say no compatible devices found. The Hybrid BIOS will not work on an FTW3 Ultra air-cooled card that's been converted to a Hybrid.  You would have to use the regular FTW3 Ultra XOC BIOS until such time as eVGA puts out a BIOS for the instance of people switching to the AIO via the Hybrid Kit upgrade - if they ever do.
 
M_Ersoni
Looks like the new Precision X1 updated my firmware...My card is the FTW 3 Ultra. Interesting... 



The update did a firmware upgrade for the regular FTW3 Ultra or do you have a Hybrid? I'll have to download it & see if it gives me an update as well.
 
Edit: Wowee they must've broken something with 1.1.3 cuz we already got 1.1.4 on X1.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 08:24:19 (permalink)
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So just for clarification: After installing my kit, I should flash the BIOS with the Hybrid one that was uploaded by Jacob? Just to ensure proper fan control and thermal readings and whatnot.



No, that will not work, some others here have already tried it, the BIOS won't flash, it will say no compatible devices found. The Hybrid BIOS will not work on an FTW3 Ultra air-cooled card that's been converted to a Hybrid.  You would have to use the regular FTW3 Ultra XOC BIOS until such time as eVGA puts out a BIOS for the instance of people switching to the AIO via the Hybrid Kit upgrade - if they ever do.
 
M_Ersoni
Looks like the new Precision X1 updated my firmware...My card is the FTW 3 Ultra. Interesting... 



The update did a firmware upgrade for the regular FTW3 Ultra or do you have a Hybrid? I'll have to download it & see if it gives me an update as well.
 
Edit: Wowee they must've broken something with 1.1.3 cuz we already got 1.1.4 on X1.



Jacob posted air FTW3 Ultra -> hybrid conversion BIOSes yesterday (a zip file with 2 files, one for normal and one for stock OC)
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3178114
 
And then said to install the hybrid XOC after flashing those.
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3178157
 
These two posts seem to make it clear for the first time, IMO, on how to convert an air FTW3 Ultra to a Hybrid and handle the BIOS properly.  I hope that this is the case and that nobody is running into issues with these steps...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 09:19:18 (permalink)
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Finally decided to give this a try this morning. On the stock bios I was power limited around 448w according to hwinfo64, curiously though GPU-Z was reading 450-460w. To do this I ran a custom fire strike ultra at 4k and paused the demo within the first couple seconds when the character is walking through the smoke. This seemed like a decent way to get the gpu to hold the max power rating.
 
Switched to XOC bios and the same setup I'm now power limited around 480w (483w in GPUZ and 497.542w in hwinfo64). I'm not sure if there is a better app/benchmark/game to run to see if I can get closer to the 500w supposed cap, but I did at least seem to gain 30w from 450w to 480w. Something is working for me, now how do I test for those last 20w....
 
EDIT might also be worth mentioning I turned the GPU lighting off. Might save a few watts I figured. Left fans on auto.



Do you still have the GPU radiator fans plugged in to the GPU?  I think perhaps the card is budgeting those fans in to the power limit, whether or not they are plugged in & drawing power or not, which would explain why it's leaving headroom between the power limit & the numbers it's actually hitting... maybe?
I think plenty of folks on here are only hitting 450-470W, with this BIOS installed, and seeing a PerfCap reason of "PWR" despite the fact that it's supposed to be power limited at 500W.


Well it is an air cooled card, so yes fans are still plugged into the gpu. Waterblock won't be here for a couple weeks until EK decides to ship them. Can test more on this theory later.




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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 09:30:36 (permalink)
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Finally decided to give this a try this morning. On the stock bios I was power limited around 448w according to hwinfo64, curiously though GPU-Z was reading 450-460w. To do this I ran a custom fire strike ultra at 4k and paused the demo within the first couple seconds when the character is walking through the smoke. This seemed like a decent way to get the gpu to hold the max power rating.
 
Switched to XOC bios and the same setup I'm now power limited around 480w (483w in GPUZ and 497.542w in hwinfo64). I'm not sure if there is a better app/benchmark/game to run to see if I can get closer to the 500w supposed cap, but I did at least seem to gain 30w from 450w to 480w. Something is working for me, now how do I test for those last 20w....
 
EDIT might also be worth mentioning I turned the GPU lighting off. Might save a few watts I figured. Left fans on auto.



Do you still have the GPU radiator fans plugged in to the GPU?  I think perhaps the card is budgeting those fans in to the power limit, whether or not they are plugged in & drawing power or not, which would explain why it's leaving headroom between the power limit & the numbers it's actually hitting... maybe?
I think plenty of folks on here are only hitting 450-470W, with this BIOS installed, and seeing a PerfCap reason of "PWR" despite the fact that it's supposed to be power limited at 500W.


Well it is an air cooled card, so yes fans are still plugged into the gpu. Waterblock won't be here for a couple weeks until EK decides to ship them. Can test more on this theory later.




Message approved.





Is there a reason my post got caught up and needed moderation?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 09:45:45 (permalink)
I have the air-cooled version.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 11:42:27 (permalink)
What do the new hybrid bios that just got uploaded change for a ftw3 ultra that’s converted to aio?

Still seems like without shunting the best bios for any ftw3 air or water Is the 2 pin XC3 bios if you wanna get anywhere above 450W that’s the only bios getting me higher scores and results.

Unfortunately, We have no idea how many actual watts the XC3 bios is pulling but it most be more than 450w because my scores are better in everything I test than Xoc or any ftw3 bios on this power broken card..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 12:46:55 (permalink)
400-HY-1988-B1 Is available on evga website. In stock now.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 12:52:01 (permalink)
I received my 3090 FTW3 ULTRA today. 
I installed PX1 and accepted the firmware update.
I pushed the card a bit and got these results /spy/16378966
Is this supposed to be good?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 13:08:57 (permalink)
Can anyone state WHEN is the full version of official release of the RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Bios coming out. We have had a beta bios for ages now, and no updates to it? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 13:25:02 (permalink)
If anyone cares, the max PCIE Slot value is supposed to be 82.5W (at max TDP value), with a couple of the eVGA skus being 96.4W and one being 80W and a few being 78.4W.
 
https://docs.google.com/s...-bACq-Y3vHs/edit#gid=0
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 13:50:34 (permalink)
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What do the new hybrid bios that just got uploaded change for a ftw3 ultra that’s converted to aio?

Still seems like without shunting the best bios for any ftw3 air or water Is the 2 pin XC3 bios if you wanna get anywhere above 450W that’s the only bios getting me higher scores and results.

Unfortunately, We have no idea how many actual watts the XC3 bios is pulling but it most be more than 450w because my scores are better in everything I test than Xoc or any ftw3 bios on this power broken card..


Yes XC3 the best by far

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/16 13:53:03 (permalink)
Anything related to this?
 
PEGx Slot Power Limit Value Value
Sets the upper limit on power supplied by slot.
Power limit (in Watts) is calculated by multiplying this value by the Slot Power Limit Scale.
Values 0-255
PEGx Slot Power Limit Scale 1.0x, 0.1x, 0.01x, 0.001x
 
Or from the Intel 10th gen specification sheet:
 
16:15 0h RW/O Slot Power Limit Scale (SLS): specifies the scale used for the slot power limit value. BIOS sets this field and it remains set until a platform reset.
14:7 00h RW/O Slot Power Limit Value (SLV): Specifies the upper limit (in conjunction with SLS value), on the upper limit on power supplied by the slot. The two values together indicate the amount of power in watts allowed for the slot. BIOS sets this field and it remains set until a platform reset.
 
https://www.intel.com/con...et-vol-2-datasheet.pdf
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