When they release a non-beta or another beta version of the XOC, do they start a new thread or do they addend the original post and notify people following the thread?

USMC1419

Udo_G
 
Yes, I updated to YOC BIOS and I would like to test the previous installed BIOS version 94.02.26.48.15 and 94.02.26.48.16. Unfortunately both versions are not available for download at techpowerup :-(

Check the "non-verified" postings. Might be on there. I backed up my Stock OC BIOS for Hybrid FTW3 i can send if you need it.

Wow - thanks for that info! I found both BIOS versions - thanks!

I believe those are the default bios’s, .15 and .16, for the ultra listed on page 1.

USMC1419
My PR scores were much higher on XC3 BIOS as well but I went back to stock for now.
 
How do you know how much power the card is drawing on XC3 with the power monitors broken? 
 
I really wonder if it is safe to run this XC3 BIOS on the FTW3 Hybrid long term. I'm high on the list for a KP for the second list, I'm wondering if I should just trade up to that or if it would be worth it with the XC3 BIOS. Not a big benchmarker, just want max FPS in games.

How do I know? I've got an UPS that tells me the power being drawn from the wall, and a titanium PSU for the conversion %. Just gotta do a little math to get a ballpark number.

Is it safe? Don't see why not. It's not an unlocked VBIOS, just a VBIOS that gets the PCIE power draw down into the 60W range and therefor doesn't power throttle like mad. All the HDMI and DP ports work fine as well, unlike other 2-pin VBIOSs.

If you aren't a big benchmarker (I read that as overclocker too), getting a kingpin would be a waste of money. You'd be better off getting an actual XC3 because the performance won't be much different from the stock numbers of both that I've seen. If you do plan on overclocking, the Kingpin will be superior since it had better cooling and a voltage tool not compatible with other cards to gain the stability needed for gaming when heavily overclocking.

USMC1419
I could easily offload my rad fans to a controller or mobo. I just want them to fix the XOC so we don't have to run a jerry rigged bios to get the performance we want out of these cards.
 
Are you daily driving the XC3 BIOS? I wish there was a way to compare power draw vs the traditional BIOS's. Even a outlet watt difference, if anyone has a KILLAWATT or similar device.

Now that my card has a hybrid kit in it, yes it's my daily driver. Getting about 800K more PPD on average when folding, and in CP2077 I can turn DLSS to balanced instead of auto at 4K ultra RT preset.

Power:
Average no load draw - 330W
Average folding draw - 844W
844 - 330 = 514
514 × 0.94 (PSU efficiency rating at that load) = 483W

That's while folding, not gaming. Gaming will likely bit a little higher. My old max power draw was 460W using GPU-Z to monitor it with any other VBIOS - and that wasn't 460W for everything, that was 460W one time in one game - most of the time the card stayed at 420 to 440W max.

What sort of clocks are you guys getting out of your vRAM specifically?  Like what offset are you finding is stable?  Right now I'm testing at +195/+1100, and so far O_o it's no errors & score is still increasing.

arestavo

USMC1419
My PR scores were much higher on XC3 BIOS as well but I went back to stock for now.
 
How do you know how much power the card is drawing on XC3 with the power monitors broken? 
 
I really wonder if it is safe to run this XC3 BIOS on the FTW3 Hybrid long term. I'm high on the list for a KP for the second list, I'm wondering if I should just trade up to that or if it would be worth it with the XC3 BIOS. Not a big benchmarker, just want max FPS in games.

How do I know? I've got an UPS that tells me the power being drawn from the wall, and a titanium PSU for the conversion %. Just gotta do a little math to get a ballpark number.

Is it safe? Don't see why not. It's not an unlocked VBIOS, just a VBIOS that gets the PCIE power draw down into the 60W range and therefor doesn't power throttle like mad. All the HDMI and DP ports work fine as well, unlike other 2-pin VBIOSs.

If you aren't a big benchmarker (I read that as overclocker too), getting a kingpin would be a waste of money. You'd be better off getting an actual XC3 because the performance won't be much different from the stock numbers of both that I've seen. If you do plan on overclocking, the Kingpin will be superior since it had better cooling and a voltage tool not compatible with other cards to gain the stability needed for gaming when heavily overclocking.

Lower pcie power draw is really good to hear! Do you know approximately how much each 8 pin is pulling? Just worried one might be pulling way too much while the another could be pulling too little

jollib
Can anyone confirm with a specific x570 motherboard they they are reaching 500w? I want to do a test to see if its motherboard related or card related. Ill pick up the same motherboard you said works and see if i can get passed 450

Double confirming my upgrade is an MSI meg x590 godlike.     I wonder though now if its temp related.  my card seems to never go over 73. My new case/setup is much cooler than my old one at idle, so i have to assume it's cooler all the way up, but it still seems to have a flat line at 73 degrees.  I have that temp slider in precision oc set all the way to the right, i wouldn't think it would limit by temp. but im not really sure?

robotbeatrally

Dabadger84
What sort of clocks are you guys getting out of your vRAM specifically?  Like what offset are you finding is stable?  Right now I'm testing at +195/+1100, and so far O_o it's no errors & score is still increasing.

I can set it to what you mentioned and it never crashes, but my fps and score goes down.
 
My FPS / port royal score is the highest at 105 core 205 mem. turning either up by even +5 and my fps and score goes down.

I went through steps to ensure that was not the case.
 
Started at +120/+0 and worked my way up, +135/+500, +150/+500, +165/+500, +180/+500, then I saw someone reporting +1100vRAM, so I went back to stock on the GPU core & tested +750, then +1000, then +1100, none showed a score decrease, so I resumed my trek upwards, did +195/+1100, passed - went to +210/+1100 & it crashed midway through, backed back off to +195/+1100, closed all unnecessary applications in the background, ran it again, & got the 14728 score I now sit at for a "personal best".
Keep in mind these GPUs have clocks that scale at +15 increments, if you set anything in between, it could end up going up or down, and if it goes up when you would've been stable down, then you have more "work" to do to discover where you were actually stable, and where stability left the chat.

Solved: 
My motherboard decided to downgrade the slot to x4 after installing my kit. Looks like after I gave it a good ole fashion blowout, it decided to run at x16 again. Scores are back to normal.
 
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I just installed my Hybrid kit, flashed the BIOS to make it a hybrid card, then flashed again to get it to the 3090 XOC Hybrid. 

I somehow lost 1000 points in port royal through all of that. Old high was around 13800, now I can't break 12800. What the holy f. Power never passes 410W full draw. 75, 110, 110, 110. Card will NEVER go over 100% power draw. :\
 

 
Edit: Going to flip the switch to Normal and see what happens. If anything I will revert the Hybrid bios back to FTW OC and see what happens.
 
Flipping the switch to Normal somehow is displaying the exact same BIOS version and Device ID. Wut? I never touched the normal BIOS ever. Same Port Royal score of 12800 ish.
 
Looks like I can't unflash it away from Hybrid and I am stuck like this for now. Tried all of the 3985 BIOS to get OC switch back to how it was and no go. Normal switch is busted I guess and just wants to act the exact same as OC :|
 
So with NVFlash and magic done, I was able to flash it back to 3985 OC then loaded XOC back on. I still am 1000 less than what I did in October (13919). I am capping at 12900ish using the same settings I had before. So I have no clue what is going on. I am never breaking 50C, average GPU Clock is hitting over 2040 more consistently. Just somehow my scores are 1000 lower. 

Difference from 2 months ago and now are PX1 from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 and then the Nvidia drivers. Is there a known issue with drivers causing PR score loss?
 
 
 

Force 64 but. I’ve seen this issue before and forcing 64bit on launch brought my scores back to where they should. It was weird

superkyle1721
Force 64 but. I’ve seen this issue before and forcing 64bit on launch brought my scores back to where they should. It was weird

Regular and force64, no change. So either software update to 3d mark since October's last run or driver issues. Same BIOS I was on, better clocks, lower temps, 1000 lower score screams software to me at this point. 

vgerik1234
I just installed my Hybrid kit, flashed the BIOS to make it a hybrid card, then flashed again to get it to the 3090 XOC Hybrid. 

I somehow lost 1000 points in port royal through all of that. Old high was around 13800, now I can't break 12800. What the holy f. Power never passes 410W full draw. 75, 110, 110, 110. Card will NEVER go over 100% power draw. :\
 

 
Edit: Going to flip the switch to Normal and see what happens. If anything I will revert the Hybrid bios back to FTW OC and see what happens.
 
Flipping the switch to Normal somehow is displaying the exact same BIOS version and Device ID. Wut? I never touched the normal BIOS ever. Same Port Royal score of 12800 ish.
 
Looks like I can't unflash it away from Hybrid and I am stuck like this for now. Tried all of the 3985 BIOS to get OC switch back to how it was and no go. Normal switch is busted I guess and just wants to act the exact same as OC :|
 
So with NVFlash and magic done, I was able to flash it back to 3985 OC then loaded XOC back on. I still am 1000 less than what I did in October (13919). I am capping at 12900ish using the same settings I had before. So I have no clue what is going on. I am never breaking 50C, average GPU Clock is hitting over 2040 more consistently. Just somehow my scores are 1000 lower. 

Difference from 2 months ago and now are PX1 from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 and then the Nvidia drivers. Is there a known issue with drivers causing PR score loss?

What happens if you click reset NVCP settings to default and then try again?

CL600
I just updated my new RTX 3090 FTW3 HYBRID with the new OC-Bios, but nothing changed :(
 
I can set the powerlimit now to 119% instead of 107%, but the overall power consumption never exceeded the 450w, while GPU-Z is showing me, that i hit the powerlimit (PerfCap Reason: PwR).
 
Also the scores in benchmarks (3D Mark FireStrike Ultra) stays the same.
 
Is there an error with my card or is the Bios (3988_BIOS_OC) corrupted?

Welcome to the Hell that is the 3090 FTW right now😒 "Officially" they haven't confirmed nor denied a thing! And yes that does hurt, not gonna lie. But I guess I have every ounce of faith they will be the good ole EVGA we all know and love and make this right for us who cannot hit the 500w. Now whether its a software or hardware thing, which I'm inclined to think its a software thing... But eventually... Hopefully. We will get some sort of answer, hell we don't mind waiting even, we just want an "Official" response. This is not fair when we are buying an $1800 Graphics card.

Edit: Just sitting here reading and thinking. And I've seen people say it's cause "they want us to buy the kingpin instead" well that's absolutely ludicrous!! So what then?!?! for 200 measly extra dollars they get a way better card... Thats absolutely Effffed up if even remotely true, cause all of us FTW3 3090 owners could absolutely afford it, if we afforded the FTWs, we could get a Kingpin. But because I want something that will fit in my case with a 240mm Rad, I get screwed? That is straight up NOT okay if so! And honestly... HOW THE HELL HAS THIS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED officially??? Questions like this not being answered are just not okay.

Just tried the ln2 Kingpin bios and my power target while running Heaven easily sits above 110% only problem is the fan control doesn't work. XOC bios has my power target jumping between 98%-107% with random spikes above. XOC is garbage.
 Is there a way to skip the firmware update with precisionx1?