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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:11:19
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I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
We have 1 guy raiden who says he’s got a launch day Taiwan that rocks 500w consistently..but he is the current outlier
Anyone checked if the Shunts are the same?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:12:52
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GNielson
I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
We have 1 guy raiden who says he’s got a launch day Taiwan that rocks 500w consistently..but he is the current outlier
Anyone checked if the Shunts are the same?
We haven’t gotten tear down comparisons yet people are waiting for water blocks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:18:51
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GNielson
I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
We have 1 guy raiden who says he’s got a launch day Taiwan that rocks 500w consistently..but he is the current outlier
Anyone checked if the Shunts are the same?
Here are some fairly hi-res shots that I took when I tore down my Taiwanese 3090 FTW3 to try and put a Kraken G12 + AiO on it (bracket holes are different than 10 and 20 series so it won't fit): https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3100736 If the RMA (still awaiting approval) is from China, or is a Taiwanese board that can pull more than 450W consistently, I can do another tear down on it and get some pictures.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:21:09
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GNielson
I've got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow. I sure hope it's China, if not I wonder if I should even open the box...
We have 1 guy raiden who says he’s got a launch day Taiwan that rocks 500w consistently..but he is the current outlier
Anyone checked if the Shunts are the same?
Here are some fairly hi-res shots that I took when I tore down my Taiwanese 3090 FTW3 to try and put a Kraken G12 + AiO on it (bracket holes are different than 10 and 20 series so it won't fit): https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3100736
If the RMA (still awaiting approval) is from China, or is a Taiwanese board that can pull more than 450W consistently, I can do another tear down on it and get some pictures.
We need photos of notchy’s board for comparison lol someone convince him
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:22:28
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Which you are still doing with your humblebrag responses
It’s data points. Take it with whatever color makes you feel better. Being an engineer by trade, I am still genuinely interested in why this is occurring and getting to the root cause. I am also following this regarding the customer service (or lack there of) from EVGA, as I do own multiple EVGA products and their response here will dictate whether I ever buy another. Whatever though, just attack others for trying to contribute.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:28:06
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Your “contributions” were basically a long advertisement for the strix, with your scores and username, we all know you can put evga bios on gaming x trio or any other 3 pin card and work. Like maybe you have an interest...cool, but it seems like you’ve got a strix and it’s working. Nice, go to the asus forum and share that. You don’t have an evga card anymore so you can stop posting here? Right?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:29:12
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I am also following this regarding the customer service (or lack there of) from EVGA
Expect to have your ticket closed after several days with just general troubleshooting steps included. Then reply about the fact you didn't actually get any 'service' in the follow up survey and get a response from some rando tech pissed because you picked his name at random from the list of technicians since NO ONE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT FOR SUPPORT BEYOND A COPY PASTED TEXT RESPONSE. I knew there was a reason I've been buying Asus consistently for twenty years. The three times I've bought their products it's been a nightmare. Every time it's something or another when dealing with an American company.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:12:22
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:33:52
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I am also following this regarding the customer service (or lack there of) from EVGA
Expect to have your ticket closed after several days with just general troubleshooting steps included. Then reply about the fact you didn't actually get any 'service' in the follow up survey and get a pissy response from some rando tech pissed because you picked his name at random from the list of technicians since NO ONE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT FOR SUPPORT BEYOND A COPY PASTED TEXT RESPONSE. I knew there was a reason I've been buying Asus consistently for twenty years. The three times I've bought their products it's been a nightmare. Every time it's something or another when dealing with an American company.
What was your reason for RMA? If you said “it won’t get 500w” they’ll close it. If you say “it pulls more than 75w from pcie power on stock oc bios w/no overclock” (it does and you can show them) they’ll RMA it.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:12:52
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:33:52
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Furmark windowed at 2560x1440 no MSAA, ran for 5 minutes. For this run I used stock clocks on the XOC BIOS, 119% power limit and 100% fans. Averages of interest: GPU Clock: 1629.2 Memory Clock: 1219 Board Power Draw: 468.4W (NOT 500W. It does spike to 500+ on occasion) Actual power limit %: 111.5% (NOT 119%) Perfcap: Pwr all the way PCIe Slow Power: 77.3W GPU Voltage: 0.835v This doesn't look great. Although I'm pretty sure that nVidia drivers flag apps such as Furmark and might be more aggressive on throttling.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:34:56
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Furmark windowed at 2560x1440 no MSAA, ran for 5 minutes.
For this run I used stock clocks on the XOC BIOS, 119% power limit and 100% fans. Averages of interest:
GPU Clock: 1629.2
Memory Clock: 1219
Board Power Draw: 468.4W (NOT 500W. It does spike to 500+ on occasion)
Actual power limit %: 111.5% (NOT 119%)
Perfcap: Pwr all the way
PCIe Slow Power: 77.3W
GPU Voltage: 0.835v
This doesn't look great. Although I'm pretty sure that nVidia drivers flag apps such as Furmark and might be more aggressive on throttling.
Typical 20141 (Taiwan) results. I get the same scores (20141) Notchy gets 500w consistently on a 20125 (China) from furmark: I saw a video he made of it literally
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:42:14
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I am also following this regarding the customer service (or lack there of) from EVGA
Expect to have your ticket closed after several days with just general troubleshooting steps included. Then reply about the fact you didn't actually get any 'service' in the follow up survey and get a pissy response from some rando tech pissed because you picked his name at random from the list of technicians since NO ONE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT FOR SUPPORT BEYOND A COPY PASTED TEXT RESPONSE. I knew there was a reason I've been buying Asus consistently for twenty years. The three times I've bought their products it's been a nightmare. Every time it's something or another when dealing with an American company.
What was your reason for RMA? If you said “it won’t get 500w” they’ll close it. If you say “it pulls more than 75w from pcie power on stock oc bios w/no overclock” (it does and you can show them) they’ll RMA it.
Are you going to jump on this guy too for getting bent over like you by EVGA?
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:13:49
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:43:54
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:44:02
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I am also following this regarding the customer service (or lack there of) from EVGA
Expect to have your ticket closed after several days with just general troubleshooting steps included. Then reply about the fact you didn't actually get any 'service' in the follow up survey and get a pissy response from some rando tech pissed because you picked his name at random from the list of technicians since NO ONE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT FOR SUPPORT BEYOND A COPY PASTED TEXT RESPONSE. I knew there was a reason I've been buying Asus consistently for twenty years. The three times I've bought their products it's been a nightmare. Every time it's something or another when dealing with an American company.
What was your reason for RMA? If you said “it won’t get 500w” they’ll close it. If you say “it pulls more than 75w from pcie power on stock oc bios w/no overclock” (it does and you can show them) they’ll RMA it.
Are you going to jump on this guy too for getting bent over like you by EVGA?
He’s venting his frustration not gloating, rubbing it in, and doing it with an air of smug supremacy like you’re still doing.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:14:26
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:44:46
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Here’s another then for your. Running the EVGA bios no less. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523155P.s. that’s a humblebrag
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:19:43
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:44:59
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yes, everybody please be nice to each other. we are here to find out the "problem" of these top 3090s. We need everybody. Just relax.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:45:08
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I’ll drop it. Don’t have anymore time for this dude.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:45:38
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Furmark windowed at 2560x1440 no MSAA, ran for 5 minutes.
For this run I used stock clocks on the XOC BIOS, 119% power limit and 100% fans. Averages of interest:
GPU Clock: 1629.2
Memory Clock: 1219
Board Power Draw: 468.4W (NOT 500W. It does spike to 500+ on occasion)
Actual power limit %: 111.5% (NOT 119%)
Perfcap: Pwr all the way
PCIe Slow Power: 77.3W
GPU Voltage: 0.835v
This doesn't look great. Although I'm pretty sure that nVidia drivers flag apps such as Furmark and might be more aggressive on throttling.
Typical 20141 (Taiwan) results. I get the same scores (20141)
Notchy gets 500w consistently on a 20125 (China) from furmark: I saw a video he made of it literally
This kinda blows... And this is after running Time Spy Extreme stress test for about 5 minutes. Spiked to 493.2W. Pwr perfcap all the way and sometimes getting Vrel as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:46:38
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Here’s another then for your. Running the EVGA bios no less.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523155
Enjoy your crap card.
P.s. that’s a humblebrag
Ah, your true colors lol.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:19:58
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:47:47
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Furmark windowed at 2560x1440 no MSAA, ran for 5 minutes.
For this run I used stock clocks on the XOC BIOS, 119% power limit and 100% fans. Averages of interest:
GPU Clock: 1629.2
Memory Clock: 1219
Board Power Draw: 468.4W (NOT 500W. It does spike to 500+ on occasion)
Actual power limit %: 111.5% (NOT 119%)
Perfcap: Pwr all the way
PCIe Slow Power: 77.3W
GPU Voltage: 0.835v
This doesn't look great. Although I'm pretty sure that nVidia drivers flag apps such as Furmark and might be more aggressive on throttling.
Typical 20141 (Taiwan) results. I get the same scores (20141)
Notchy gets 500w consistently on a 20125 (China) from furmark: I saw a video he made of it literally
This kinda blows... And this is after running Time Spy Extreme stress test for about 5 minutes. Spiked to 493.2W. Pwr perfcap all the way and sometimes getting Vrel as well.
You’re doing better than me I can only get a spike up to 480w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:49:15
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Here’s another then for your. Running the EVGA bios no less.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/523155
P.s. that’s a humblebrag
Ah, your true colors lol.
Just giving you want you want.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/11/22 10:20:17
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 09:50:20
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Ah, your true colors lol.
Just giving you want you want.
Almost no different than any of your other posts it’s verbatim except you stopped using ten dollar words and spoke in the common tongue...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:12:07
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Just giving you want you want.
Almost no different than any of your other posts it’s verbatim except you stopped using ten dollar words and spoke in the common tongue...
Fact is, the same several discussions have gone on in a loop for the last month. Some people claiming that bursting momentarily above 500w means this bios is working. It’s not! As notchy confirmed on his Chinese cards and people who have other AIB cards have confirmed, WORKING means a consistent power draw at or near 500w for a sustained amount of time. What I can confirm is my FTW3 could never do that. I could get random spikes into the 500s when doing some crazy stuff with furmark, but otherwise I was stuck in the 450-470 range. That has not been my experience with either the Strix running the stock 480w bios or the EVGA 500w bios. I can get consistent RATED power limits. Whether your fragile ego can’t see past the fact that other people have moved on. I still have valid feedback to provide given what I do for a living. So here’s a nugget. Stop chasing your tails. Develop a common understanding of the problem. I will repeat it again, random spikes above 500w mean nothing. That does not mean it’s working. If you have clearly identified the Chinese cards can SUSTAIN 500w with this bios than clearly this points to a hardware difference. The ONLY way to confirm that is to compare pcbs. We also need more than a sample size of 2 Chinese cards’ results... Wait, didn’t I already say that?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:15:29
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Part of the reason I bought this card was because of this very topic claiming that I could unlock my bios to 500w. I would have gotten an ASUS card if I had known it wasn't true. It feels like I didn't get what I paid for.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:18:38
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Am I correct in this assumption that newer cards can be either Chinese or Taiwanese? In that even now with the cards coming in, it's still a complete gamble as to which country you will get?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:22:21
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General Warning. If you want to argue with someone and start name calling/cursing at each other, take it to reddit. If it happens here, you may get a direct warning or temp ban. This is my sunday and noone should have to babysit adults on the weekend. Please settle your differences in a civil adult like manner.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:22:44
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looks like i have a Taiwan card
These Taiwanese cards seem to be better in general
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:25:02
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Am I correct in this assumption that newer cards can be either Chinese or Taiwanese? In that even now with the cards coming in, it's still a complete gamble as to which country you will get?
That would be a reasonable assumption. However there might be more Taiwanese cards in the US/EU (purely a guess). the_Scarlet_one
General Warning. If you want to argue with someone and start name calling/cursing at each other, take it to reddit. If it happens here, you may get a direct warning or temp ban. This is my sunday and noone should have to babysit adults on the weekend. Please settle your differences in a civil adult like manner.
Thank you, and sorry that you had to deal with this today.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:25:45
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willm1224
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willm1224
Your “contributions” were basically a long advertisement for the strix, with your scores and username, we all know you can put evga bios on gaming x trio or any other 3 pin card and work. Like maybe you have an interest...cool, but it seems like you’ve got a strix and it’s working. Nice, go to the asus forum and share that. You don’t have an evga card anymore so you can stop posting here? Right?
Wow what a loser. Lol
Nah just really sick of seeing your humblebrag sh*tposts pop up in between real discussion.
Here’s another then for your. Running the EVGA bios no less.
Enjoy your crap card.
P.s. that’s a humblebrag
Ah, your true colors lol.
Just giving you want you want.
Almost no different than any of your other posts it’s verbatim except you stopped using ten dollar words and spoke in the common tongue...
Fact is, the same several discussions have gone on in a loop for the last month.
Some people claiming that bursting momentarily above 500w means this bios is working. It’s not! As notchy confirmed on his Chinese cards and people who have other AIB cards have confirmed, WORKING means a consistent power draw at or near 500w for a sustained amount of time.
What I can confirm is my FTW3 could never do that. I could get random spikes into the 500s when doing some crazy stuff with furmark, but otherwise I was stuck in the 450-470 range. That has not been my experience with either the Strix running the stock 480w bios or the EVGA 500w bios. I can get consistent RATED power limits.
Whether your fragile ego can’t see past the fact that other people have moved on. I still have valid feedback to provide given what I do for a living. So here’s a nugget. Stop chasing your tails. Develop a common understanding of the problem.
I will repeat it again, random spikes above 500w mean nothing. That does not mean it’s working. If you have clearly identified the Chinese cards can SUSTAIN 500w with this bios than clearly this points to a hardware difference. The ONLY way to confirm that is to compare pcbs. We also need more than a sample size of 2 Chinese cards’ results...
Wait, didn’t I already say that?
At the end of the day your posts have been informative. I was wondering if there was a problem with my setup regarding power i upgraded to a 1200w psu from a 750w which seemed to help with the 500w bios but still only see peaks of 450w when im trying to in Kombustor. I had a Gigabyte 3090 eagle before this card and im wondering now if i made a mistake "upgrading" as that card out of the box with only 380w was performing very well. Fingers crossed they recall these cards or at least give people with the inferior power draw access to purchase the Kingpins. This was my first EVGA card and i would like it not to be my last.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:27:09
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Since I got my card within the last two weeks, I may try to return it for a full refund as "not as described". Jacob pushed the idea that it can hit 500 watts by rewteeting a review that it does on the OC bios and also when he said he hits around 485 watts. I just feel like I was baited into buying the card under the presumption that it can hit 500w with the OC bios and it is simply not true.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/22 10:34:00
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Tell me the exact test i need to run and i will post my result coz i'am lost, have many kind of test and i dont know what setting i need to apply : full screen -4k- furemark GL or VK or Donut i dont know ?
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