zig11727

willm1224

zig11727

Ronnzi
I had my 3090 FTW3 Ultra replaced through the special RMA program. I’ll want to see what it performs like once the new card arrives later this week, but I’m trying to decide now whether it’s worth it for me to get the hybrid cooler or not. I have a HAF XB Evo case with an AIO 280mm cpu cooler already installed, so I’d have to somehow find a way to mount the GPU radiator near some of the empty lower PCIE slots (not really sure how I would get it to work..).

My card was staying cool for an air-only setup (the case does have good airflow - ironically, I’d probably want to do this most in hopes of moving the hot air from the GPU somewhere else. Under full load, my overclocked b-die starts getting super hot. Even after lowering voltage to 1.4 and adding a fan directly over the dimms, with full GPU load the RAM creeps into the 45-50c territory when everything is being stressed together for worst case scenario. It would be awesome to get my ram temps down so I can push more memory voltage, but maybe the issue is heat from the memory/backplate, so the hybrid cooler wouldn’t make much of a difference there?

Anyone have any idea of how the hybrid cooler impacts case temps compared to the stock air cooler on the FTW3 3090s? I’m really curious how much of a difference it would make overall for me on all fronts 🤷‍♂️.

IMO don't purchase the hybrid cooler till you sure your keeping the card it's a pain if you have to RMA the card because you have to uninstall the hybrid cooler and replace it the original cooler the hybrid cooler uses certain parts like the paper washers which are a one shot deal nobody @ EVGA knows where to get a replacement washers. So I can't even install the hybrid I own till I find out where to purchase the paper washers on my RMA OC replacement coming Monday.  On the up side Hybrid cooler works well and does lower temperatures.

I’ve found suitable paper washer replacements for you: I made a Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/...pp&utm_name=iossmf
Edited for clarity.

Thanks,

No problem. Evga customer service rep verified on the phone verified these were fine. He said these types are common on waterblock mounts. They’re kinda pricey, 8 bucks for a 10 pack but they got to me within 24 hours. And they are not adhesive so reusable.

willm1224

dlomond
willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

I can probably bump that PR score up my attaching my hybrid bc it’s got bad thermals, but that’s not going to fix the NEW power balancing issue with the card: pcie draw now all good at 60-65 W, while first 2 x 8 pins are slightly above spec at 150-153 W which may be the reason the 3rd pin has never breached 107 w. 3rd pin would have to be 130-135 with everything else the same to get 500w.

Is your power limit in MSI Afterburner at 100%? Or is it past 100%?
If it's at 100%, the 8 pins can not go past the corresponding SRC limit for that pin, there are three SRC values, all set to the same values (150W and 175W).  2x8 pin cards have two SRC values.
the SRC limits for all cards I have seen are 150W default and 175W max (based on 100% TDP to the max slider position for TDP).

Kylearan

willm1224

dlomond
willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

I can probably bump that PR score up my attaching my hybrid bc it’s got bad thermals, but that’s not going to fix the NEW power balancing issue with the card: pcie draw now all good at 60-65 W, while first 2 x 8 pins are slightly above spec at 150-153 W which may be the reason the 3rd pin has never breached 107 w. 3rd pin would have to be 130-135 with everything else the same to get 500w.

Is your power limit in MSI Afterburner at 100%? Or is it past 100%?
If it's at 100%, the 8 pins can not go past the corresponding SRC limit for that pin, there are three SRC values, all set to the same values (150W and 175W).  2x8 pin cards have two SRC values.
the SRC limits for all cards I have seen are 150W default and 175W max (based on 100% TDP to the max slider position for TDP).

My issue is not the the first two pins are maxed, my issue is that the 3rd pin stays stuck around 107 peak wattage. In order to reach 500 w with peak pcie of ~60-65 w and 2 8 pins at 150 w the 3rd pin must hit 130-135 w. And it just won’t breach 107 under any circumstance. The old cards were hitting 80 pcie throttling power across the pins, I guess I’m just trying to figure out why the new card 3rd pin is throttling at 107 w. I have noticed it pull 430 w in a game that previously only allowed for 390 max (Cold War). The power delivery is also MUCH more stable. It will deliver constant 450+ watt draw without hitting 470 and bouncing down to 420-430 under load. These cards run much hotter than anything else I’ve seen. Their silicon is the same (you could win, you could lose, this one’s aight).

willm1224

Kylearan

willm1224

dlomond
willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

I can probably bump that PR score up my attaching my hybrid bc it’s got bad thermals, but that’s not going to fix the NEW power balancing issue with the card: pcie draw now all good at 60-65 W, while first 2 x 8 pins are slightly above spec at 150-153 W which may be the reason the 3rd pin has never breached 107 w. 3rd pin would have to be 130-135 with everything else the same to get 500w.

Is your power limit in MSI Afterburner at 100%? Or is it past 100%?
If it's at 100%, the 8 pins can not go past the corresponding SRC limit for that pin, there are three SRC values, all set to the same values (150W and 175W).  2x8 pin cards have two SRC values.
the SRC limits for all cards I have seen are 150W default and 175W max (based on 100% TDP to the max slider position for TDP).

My issue is not the the first two pins are maxed, my issue is that the 3rd pin stays stuck around 107 peak wattage. In order to reach 500 w with peak pcie of ~60-65 w and 2 8 pins at 150 w the 3rd pin must hit 130-135 w. And it just won’t breach 107 under any circumstance. The old cards were hitting 80 pcie throttling power across the pins, I guess I’m just trying to figure out why the new card 3rd pin is throttling at 107 w. I have noticed it pull 430 w in a game that previously only allowed for 390 max (Cold War). The power delivery is also MUCH more stable. It will deliver constant 450+ watt draw without hitting 470 and bouncing down to 420-430 under load. These cards run much hotter than anything else I’ve seen. Their silicon is the same (you could win, you could lose, this one’s aight).

I thought I explained this to you last post already.
You're throttling at 107W because the 8 pin "Source (SRC)" limit is 150W.  The question that should be asked is why can't 8 pin #3 draw more power before 8 pin #1 and #2 reach 150W?
 

willm1224

dlomond
i will run mind now also can u backup the bios  give me a link so i can try it. in Gpu-z just click on bios version  you can save the file.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/231245/231245 here ya go my dude. just put it up there for ya .


I don't know if this bios was made specifically for cards with an 8 amp fuse at the PCIE rail instead of a 10, so exercise caution. 

Did anyone flash this BIOS yet on their gimped GPU? If so, how did it work out?

HeinzNeu
What is supposed to be better running the card with the new BIOS? 
 

Someone has to try it and report if there are some differences.

HeinzNeu
My card doesn't run bad. Sometimes the PCIe-Slot sucks 81 Watts. That's all. I don't want to be the guinea pig trying a beta VGA-BIOS. 

Well someone has to test it. 

Come on, don't chicken out.
Everyone will be certain of the thanks of the fatherland :) 

I tried it. I get far worse performance. From 420w on the original 500w BIOS to 330w or so with this one. 

TheNaitsyrk

jlongmore22
I tried it. I get far worse performance. From 420w on the original 500w BIOS to 330w or so with this one. 

I think it's designed for new PCBs or revision or something.
 
Can someone else try to confirm as well? If 2nd person has same results when it's certain.

I confirm it, I just tried it and maximum consumption 355w

ramsito82

TheNaitsyrk

jlongmore22
I tried it. I get far worse performance. From 420w on the original 500w BIOS to 330w or so with this one. 

I think it's designed for new PCBs or revision or something.
 
Can someone else try to confirm as well? If 2nd person has same results when it's certain.

I confirm it, I just tried it and maximum consumption 355w

Thanks for testing.
 
Tried PR with this BIOS? It may be same as XC3 where it reports wattage wrong.

ramsito82

TheNaitsyrk

ramsito82

TheNaitsyrk

jlongmore22
I tried it. I get far worse performance. From 420w on the original 500w BIOS to 330w or so with this one. 

I think it's designed for new PCBs or revision or something.
 
Can someone else try to confirm as well? If 2nd person has same results when it's certain.

I confirm it, I just tried it and maximum consumption 355w

Thanks for testing.
 
Tried PR with this BIOS? It may be same as XC3 where it reports wattage wrong.

I've tried time spy extreme, xc3 bios stock 10600 points, new bios xoc 9600 points

Similar experience here. The card did not want to go over 1850MHz.

Since this is special bios on the replacement cards you can't install the hybrid kit ?
 
On my original card I used a special bios to convert the card to a 3090 hybrid card.

arestavo

zig11727
Since this is special bios on the replacement cards you can't install the hybrid kit ?
 
On my original card I used a special bios to convert the card to a 3090 hybrid card.

That sounds like a question for EVGA tech support. Likely the automated tool offered on the first page of this thread won't work - but if it does, it shouldn't hurt the card (I'd hope that a company like EVGA would test things like that).

If the automated tool doesn't work, the only way is to force a flash or get a new tool direct from EVGA if they don't post a new one.

Also, a new VBIOS was never required for the hybrid kit to work. It cleans things up in PX1, but the card works without it (from personal experience with my 3090 FTW3 with hybrid kit).

https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

That isn't true a bios was issued to convert the 3090 FTW3 ultra to 3090 Hybrid FTW3 Ultra it changed the model so the fans  would work properly.

zig11727

arestavo

zig11727
Since this is special bios on the replacement cards you can't install the hybrid kit ?

On my original card I used a special bios to convert the card to a 3090 hybrid card.

That sounds like a question for EVGA tech support. Likely the automated tool offered on the first page of this thread won't work - but if it does, it shouldn't hurt the card (I'd hope that a company like EVGA would test things like that).

If the automated tool doesn't work, the only way is to force a flash or get a new tool direct from EVGA if they don't post a new one.

Also, a new VBIOS was never required for the hybrid kit to work. It cleans things up in PX1, but the card works without it (from personal experience with my 3090 FTW3 with hybrid kit).

https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

That isn't true a bios was issued to convert the 3090 FTW3 ultra to 3090 Hybrid FTW3 Ultra it changed the model so the fans  would work properly.

Then your experience runs counter to mine. Only fan1, the AIO pump that runs at 100% regardless of what programs report, would show false readings.

Edit: I still don't use a Hybrid VBIOS on my card, and I've been using the new one (add in the original that was RMA'd for high PCIE power draw) since September 2020 with the air cooled XC3 Ultra VBIOS.