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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 06:57:07 (permalink)
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Hey Im waiting for my RMA to be approved but I noticed something,
On my product page under detail for the card it says:  Part Number Out: 24G-P5-3982-B2
And this was a RMA for a Part Number: 24G-P5-3987-KR


Yes, correct as part of this RMA program.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 07:12:07 (permalink)
hey
i sent email to 3090oc@evga.com but no one answer

i have a question please ?
is the new card it fix Power Balance Issue
and hight PCIe power
also how about rma for other country (middle east)
I bought it from newegg
this my Part Number: 24G-P5-3987-KR
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 08:04:40 (permalink)
I put in a RMA for my card but I might not do it I get 14675 on 135 core and 1000 mem. Only my pci slot get 78 Walts. Playing bf5 and cod in I get 2100 to 2112 on the core .all pci slots are all loaded equal .power for card is at 470 Walts.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 08:09:24 (permalink)
Ok, my NEW FTW3 Ultra (black lips) maxed out at 433W after the bios update (431W before the update).
 
Checked with FurMark / GPU-Z with an overclock of +220MHz
PCIe never goes over 76W
 
DO I NEED TO RMA THIS NEW CARD to get it´s full potential ?? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 09:02:54 (permalink)
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I put in a RMA for my card but I might not do it I get 14675 on 135 core and 1000 mem. Only my pci slot get 78 Walts. Playing bf5 and cod in I get 2100 to 2112 on the core .all pci slots are all loaded equal .power for card is at 470 Walts.

14657 on XOC? If so i would keep that card. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 09:20:14 (permalink)
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I put in a RMA for my card but I might not do it I get 14675 on 135 core and 1000 mem. Only my pci slot get 78 Walts. Playing bf5 and cod in I get 2100 to 2112 on the core .all pci slots are all loaded equal .power for card is at 470 Walts.

14657 on XOC? If so i would keep that card. 




I hit 15.2k on mine but maxed at 465W with the XOC during that run. I could never break 2190mhz without crashing either. This is with a day one 3090 I scored smashing F5.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/856168
 
I also experience the bug where I would switch back to the Normal BIOS and all the sudden it drew 500W playing things like WoW or CP2077 lol.  
 
The new RMA 3090 has shipped (serial number confirms 2021 rev).  Cant wait to see if I can break my old score.  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 09:33:33 (permalink)
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Oh no, Jacob is ignoring me now and has plenty of times, the first time I got him to acknowledge an issue verbally about this bios was after I spoke to Stephen from gamers nexus via email, and he forwarded me to Jacob asking him to address my concerns about the bios. This was after mad tweets mad posts etc...He’s currently ignoring me, earlier this week it was “still planning on shipping those out this week!” Now that’s it’s Friday and they haven’t, it’s radio silence. The info I have is from calling in; I haven’t been paying attention what’s going on with people getting ignored?
To whomever flagged this post: Do you want screenshot evidence of me posting/tweeting, or screenshots of the emails back in November? How about screenshots from today? There’s no cursing, why’s the post approval pending?



I would ignore you too. 

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Got my RMA approved today, curious to see how the new one goes as this card puleed 14600 with xc3 on air. XOC 420w max.

Well there is a good chance that your RMA card won't perform better but can draw 500w ;)



Can't be anyworse than the 13900 on XOC. xc3 was good but who knows where the power is actually coming from. 
I just want a card that's up to spec. 




I'm in somewhat the same boat as you and wondering if I should RMA or not - I do not want to be w/o my card for weeks or a month+...but thinking it's worth it long term. Very interested to see how your RMA turns out. 

I've been following this thread for a while and just recently tried the XC3 Bios.
- Card on air with open window in cold climate...spent a couple days trying to max out PR score and NEVER got to even 13,800 on the XOC Bios (13,746 was my best with fans cranked to 100).
- Tried the XC3 Bios and I've already been able to get a 14,350+...and that is after just a couple runs the other day before I had to leave for a trip. I'm confident I can get to 14,500+ if I get a cold enough morning with some additional OC dialing in. 

I use the normal OC Bios Jacob posted with this thread for Daily use; XC3 just for benchmarking as I don't like not being able to read accurate Sensor data...plus some funky fan bugs. 

With the XOC 500Watt I was hardly ever getting over 1.00 volts...was always bouncing around the high 800s - 900s per X1 and GPU-Z. I was able to get a bit more out of it using AB and a custom volt curve. However, seeing XC3 instantly explode my PR score by 600 points w/o even trying shows that I'm leaving a ton of performance on the table with my current card. I get that a 13,700 vs a 14,500 is what maybe ~5fps or so in games...but that's what we spent the extra cash on the FTW3 Ultra for (that extra little bit of performance over a lower tier 3090).





 
 



I am dropping my card back to the store i purchased it from with the RMA and they are going to deal with it from there. 
If the new card hit's 500w then thats me happy, im not too fussed about the PR scores anymore. 


Kind of like you did ignore me when I said I’ve already received one of these new cards and pcie power draw is fixed but it’s still power locked and you won’t get that 500w draw?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 09:59:44 (permalink)
this was at 135 core and 1000 mem
14 546
 All on xoc 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/940690
 
 
Gpu-z was at 170 core 1000 mem
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 10:07:35 (permalink)

GPU-Z log file of a port royal run with the new card overclocked at +90 +650 (it's not running any higher on mem and max core w/o hybrid is 105)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 10:21:48 (permalink)
what was the pr score i will run it on mind andd see what  i get
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 10:31:51 (permalink)
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what was the pr score i will run it on mind andd see what  i get
 


nothing spectacular. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/952611 14,121 is my best with this card 105 core 700 mem
here's more of the power balancing issue in these newer cards on a timespy extreme run (4k pulls more wattage than P.R. or regular timespy at 1440p)
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 10:43:08 (permalink)
i will run mind now also can u backup the bios  give me a link so i can try it. in Gpu-z just click on bios version  you can save the file.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 10:51:38 (permalink)
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i will run mind now also can u backup the bios  give me a link so i can try it. in Gpu-z just click on bios version  you can save the file.


https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/231245/231245 here ya go my dude. just put it up there for ya .


I don't know if this bios was made specifically for cards with an 8 amp fuse at the PCIE rail instead of a 10, so exercise caution. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:02:19 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59812664
14173
105 core 700mem
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:14:31 (permalink)
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59812664
14173
105 core 700mem
 
 

Pretty similar. Same margin of error as mine you can just go 300 higher on mem and 30 higher on core than mine. I’d be interested to see what that bios does for your pcie power draw and how it affects the other 8 pins.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:22:01 (permalink)
Hello everybody,

I have now received my third card.

First card (Serial 2014): Power limit error (Max 420W), death after reboot -> RMA
Second card (Serial 2119): fans turn up and down, but power limit reaches 500W! -> RMA
Third card (Serial 2114): Powerlimit error (Max 420W)

I'm sick of it! I'm really mad! Is it that hard to send a working card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:27:25 (permalink)
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Hello everybody,

I have now received my third card.

First card (Serial 2014): Power limit error (Max 420W), death after reboot -> RMA
Second card (Serial 2119): fans turn up and down, but power limit reaches 500W! -> RMA
Third card (Serial 2114): Powerlimit error (Max 420W)

I'm sick of it! I'm really mad! Is it that hard to send a working card?

Yea we’re all pretty upset about our small car valued gpu’s giving us heck, except user Zgapzy, he’s so chill about the whole situation he’s never made a post about and mocks others for not taking it lying down or reaching out.

Edit: my 3rd card as well. This one through the 3090OC program.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:43:07 (permalink)
just flash that bios  pci slot power stays at 65-67 but limits power to 350w

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 11:45:25 (permalink)
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just flash that bios  pci slot power stays at 65-67 but limits power to 350w

I guess this bios must only fully work on the newly revised PCB
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 12:19:26 (permalink)
Received the new card via the special RMA program yesterday. Installed in custom loop today. Pretty happy with the results so far: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59815289
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 12:22:40 (permalink)
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Received the new card via the special RMA program yesterday. Installed in custom loop today. Pretty happy with the results so far: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59815289

can u post gpu-z in max settings.
also what was the overclock.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 12:26:02 (permalink)
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Received the new card via the special RMA program yesterday. Installed in custom loop today. Pretty happy with the results so far: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59815289

did you check the gpu z? if so how is the power balancing and pcie slot power draw? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 13:17:55 (permalink)
I had my 3090 FTW3 Ultra replaced through the special RMA program. I’ll want to see what it performs like once the new card arrives later this week, but I’m trying to decide now whether it’s worth it for me to get the hybrid cooler or not. I have a HAF XB Evo case with an AIO 280mm cpu cooler already installed, so I’d have to somehow find a way to mount the GPU radiator near some of the empty lower PCIE slots (not really sure how I would get it to work..).

My card was staying cool for an air-only setup (the case does have good airflow - ironically, I’d probably want to do this most in hopes of moving the hot air from the GPU somewhere else. Under full load, my overclocked b-die starts getting super hot. Even after lowering voltage to 1.4 and adding a fan directly over the dimms, with full GPU load the RAM creeps into the 45-50c territory when everything is being stressed together for worst case scenario. It would be awesome to get my ram temps down so I can push more memory voltage, but maybe the issue is heat from the memory/backplate, so the hybrid cooler wouldn’t make much of a difference there?

Anyone have any idea of how the hybrid cooler impacts case temps compared to the stock air cooler on the FTW3 3090s? I’m really curious how much of a difference it would make overall for me on all fronts 🤷‍♂️.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 13:18:41 (permalink)
willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 13:36:02 (permalink)
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willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

Yes.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 13:43:05 (permalink)
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willm1224 did that card come from the special RMA email.for the power loading.

I can probably bump that PR score up my attaching my hybrid bc it’s got bad thermals, but that’s not going to fix the NEW power balancing issue with the card: pcie draw now all good at 60-65 W, while first 2 x 8 pins are slightly above spec at 150-153 W which may be the reason the 3rd pin has never breached 107 w. 3rd pin would have to be 130-135 with everything else the same to get 500w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 14:17:28 (permalink)
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Received the new card via the special RMA program yesterday. Installed in custom loop today. Pretty happy with the results so far: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59815289

did you check the gpu z? if so how is the power balancing and pcie slot power draw? 

I posted logs and gpu z of a new card through this program if that’s what you’re looking for.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 14:26:45 (permalink)
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I had my 3090 FTW3 Ultra replaced through the special RMA program. I’ll want to see what it performs like once the new card arrives later this week, but I’m trying to decide now whether it’s worth it for me to get the hybrid cooler or not. I have a HAF XB Evo case with an AIO 280mm cpu cooler already installed, so I’d have to somehow find a way to mount the GPU radiator near some of the empty lower PCIE slots (not really sure how I would get it to work..).

My card was staying cool for an air-only setup (the case does have good airflow - ironically, I’d probably want to do this most in hopes of moving the hot air from the GPU somewhere else. Under full load, my overclocked b-die starts getting super hot. Even after lowering voltage to 1.4 and adding a fan directly over the dimms, with full GPU load the RAM creeps into the 45-50c territory when everything is being stressed together for worst case scenario. It would be awesome to get my ram temps down so I can push more memory voltage, but maybe the issue is heat from the memory/backplate, so the hybrid cooler wouldn’t make much of a difference there?

Anyone have any idea of how the hybrid cooler impacts case temps compared to the stock air cooler on the FTW3 3090s? I’m really curious how much of a difference it would make overall for me on all fronts 🤷‍♂️.

IMO don't purchase the hybrid cooler till you sure your keeping the card it's a pain if you have to RMA the card because you have to uninstall the hybrid cooler and replace it with the original cooler the hybrid cooler uses certain parts like the paper washers which are a one shot deal nobody @ EVGA knows where to get replacement washers. So I can't even install the hybrid I own till I find out where to purchase the paper washers on my RMA OC replacement coming Monday.  On the up side Hybrid cooler works well and does lower temperatures.
post edited by zig11727 - 2021/03/21 14:30:21
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/21 14:28:26 (permalink)
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Ronnzi
I had my 3090 FTW3 Ultra replaced through the special RMA program. I’ll want to see what it performs like once the new card arrives later this week, but I’m trying to decide now whether it’s worth it for me to get the hybrid cooler or not. I have a HAF XB Evo case with an AIO 280mm cpu cooler already installed, so I’d have to somehow find a way to mount the GPU radiator near some of the empty lower PCIE slots (not really sure how I would get it to work..).

My card was staying cool for an air-only setup (the case does have good airflow - ironically, I’d probably want to do this most in hopes of moving the hot air from the GPU somewhere else. Under full load, my overclocked b-die starts getting super hot. Even after lowering voltage to 1.4 and adding a fan directly over the dimms, with full GPU load the RAM creeps into the 45-50c territory when everything is being stressed together for worst case scenario. It would be awesome to get my ram temps down so I can push more memory voltage, but maybe the issue is heat from the memory/backplate, so the hybrid cooler wouldn’t make much of a difference there?

Anyone have any idea of how the hybrid cooler impacts case temps compared to the stock air cooler on the FTW3 3090s? I’m really curious how much of a difference it would make overall for me on all fronts 🤷‍♂️.

IMO don't purchase the hybrid cooler till you sure your keeping the card it's a pain if you have to RMA the card because you have to uninstall the hybrid cooler and replace it the original cooler the hybrid cooler uses certain parts like the paper washers which are a one shot deal nobody @ EVGA knows where to get a replacement washers. So I can't even install the hybrid I own till I find out where to purchase the paper washers on my RMA OC replacement coming Monday.  On the up side Hybrid cooler works well and does lower temperatures.


I’ve found suitable paper washer replacements for you: I made a Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/...pp&utm_name=iossmf
Edited for clarity.
post edited by willm1224 - 2021/03/21 14:44:57
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