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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 11:25:54
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50c is really good. What were you getting before? What is the ambient temp?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 11:41:21
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Well because it's a kit, i never tried the stock paste, i just wiped it off and applied TG. Ambient was around 21c
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 11:48:27
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How about for the stock air cooled configuration? Would be interesting to know how much the hybrid kit along with Thermal Grizzly improved over air
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 12:17:17
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I've got a hybrid kit and managed to snag 2g of the new Kyronaut Extreme. Kit arrives tomorrow, I'll post my results. I am in Florida heat, my temperatures under benchmarking (3d mark) are around 77-78c (normally low to mid 60s while gaming)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 12:26:49
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Can anyone confirm with a specific x570 motherboard they they are reaching 500w? I want to do a test to see if its motherboard related or card related. Ill pick up the same motherboard you said works and see if i can get passed 450
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 12:52:41
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EVGA1225 How about for the stock air cooled configuration? Would be interesting to know how much the hybrid kit along with Thermal Grizzly improved over air
Oh yeah well with the same load, with an aggressive fan curve in a lian li o11D XL, the air cooler was hitting 70c. So a solid 20c drop for me
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 13:01:10
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I have the asus prime x570 pro. Card does not go over 445 in any gaming applications or stress tests. It normally hovers around 420w. However it will go to 470 while doing the auto OC tuner in Precision. I am on the beta bios. I'm on the most recent motherboard bios with a 5800x installed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 13:04:51
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im in the same boat. i didnt try oc scanner to see if it goes higher than 450 though. portroyal only sees 450 and gpuz shoes as me hitting power limit.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 14:49:14
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Do Gen4 PCIe x16 slots have a higher power limit or something that is the cause of some X570 boards hitting the full power limit with the 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS? From what I've seen so far, the highest I've hit is around 455W - other than the brief 470+W spike at the end of Precision X1's OC Scan. Temps on the Hybrid card are pretty great though, the absolute highest I've seen thus far (with just PUSH fans installed on the GPU radiator) was 57C. I've got Push/Pull EK Vardar fans that will ramp up to ~1900RPM if it's under load (controlled by GPU exhaust temps) on there now, fixing to hit another gaming session & see how it goes.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 14:54:32
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Also: When is this OC XOC BIOS getting an update? The XOC BIOS for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra still allowed for the GPU fans to go in to 0 RPM/stop mode if you had the fan curve set to do so at idle temps... the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid (OC switch) XOC BIOS isn't allowing the fan to go below 1199-1205RPM (~40%). Is anyone using the NORMAL XOC BIOS on a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid, if so does that one allow for the 0 RPM mode to work? I like the GPU's on board fan being able to shut off when I'm just browsing the web/on desktop. Edit to Update: can confirm, the "500W" (using quotes now cuz it doesn't actually hit 500W when it says PWR in PerfCap) NORMAL XOC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid DOES allow the fan on the GPU itself (for the VRMs etc) to go to 0 RPM/stop mode while at idle temps if your fan-curve is set that way.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 15:22:14
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Dabadger84 Also: When is this OC XOC BIOS getting an update? The XOC BIOS for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra still allowed for the GPU fans to go in to 0 RPM/stop mode if you had the fan curve set to do so at idle temps... the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid (OC switch) XOC BIOS isn't allowing the fan to go below 1199-1205RPM (~40%). Is anyone using the NORMAL XOC BIOS on a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid, if so does that one allow for the 0 RPM mode to work? I like the GPU's on board fan being able to shut off when I'm just browsing the web/on desktop. Edit to Update: can confirm, the "500W" (using quotes now cuz it doesn't actually hit 500W when it says PWR in PerfCap) NORMAL XOC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid DOES allow the fan on the GPU itself (for the VRMs etc) to go to 0 RPM/stop mode while at idle temps if your fan-curve is set that way.
I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 15:42:00
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rock2k I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
it's on page 1 bro...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 15:52:29
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 16:03:13
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Dabadger84 Also: When is this OC XOC BIOS getting an update? The XOC BIOS for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra still allowed for the GPU fans to go in to 0 RPM/stop mode if you had the fan curve set to do so at idle temps... the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid (OC switch) XOC BIOS isn't allowing the fan to go below 1199-1205RPM (~40%). Is anyone using the NORMAL XOC BIOS on a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid, if so does that one allow for the 0 RPM mode to work? I like the GPU's on board fan being able to shut off when I'm just browsing the web/on desktop. Edit to Update: can confirm, the "500W" (using quotes now cuz it doesn't actually hit 500W when it says PWR in PerfCap) NORMAL XOC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid DOES allow the fan on the GPU itself (for the VRMs etc) to go to 0 RPM/stop mode while at idle temps if your fan-curve is set that way.
You're talking about the normal VBIOS that has the 0dB fan mode. The OC VBIOS has a minimum 33% fan speed - should be the same 3080 or 3090, and if not, you don't have the right VBIOS loaded or they messed up at the factory.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 16:17:43
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jollib Can anyone confirm with a specific x570 motherboard they they are reaching 500w? I want to do a test to see if its motherboard related or card related. Ill pick up the same motherboard you said works and see if i can get passed 450
Asus Crosshair Hero VIII (non wifi version). NOT getting 500...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 16:51:32
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EVGA support have directed me to RMA the card due to not getting near the 500w power limit with the new BIOS. As other have suggested it looks like this is a hardware issue that cannot be fixed with an update to the BIOS, and the lack of official response in this thread is frankly ridiculous. I'll be getting a refund and taking my business elsewhere now and in the future.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 17:07:06
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jollib Can anyone confirm with a specific x570 motherboard they they are reaching 500w? I want to do a test to see if its motherboard related or card related. Ill pick up the same motherboard you said works and see if i can get passed 450
Asus Crosshair Hero VIII (non wifi version). NOT getting 500...
Same here with my Asus Crosshair Hero VIII (Wifi) and my Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master I think the MBs are not the reason!!!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 17:25:32
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Dabadger84 Also: When is this OC XOC BIOS getting an update? The XOC BIOS for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra still allowed for the GPU fans to go in to 0 RPM/stop mode if you had the fan curve set to do so at idle temps... the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid (OC switch) XOC BIOS isn't allowing the fan to go below 1199-1205RPM (~40%). Is anyone using the NORMAL XOC BIOS on a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid, if so does that one allow for the 0 RPM mode to work? I like the GPU's on board fan being able to shut off when I'm just browsing the web/on desktop. Edit to Update: can confirm, the "500W" (using quotes now cuz it doesn't actually hit 500W when it says PWR in PerfCap) NORMAL XOC BIOS for the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid DOES allow the fan on the GPU itself (for the VRMs etc) to go to 0 RPM/stop mode while at idle temps if your fan-curve is set that way.
You're talking about the normal VBIOS that has the 0dB fan mode. The OC VBIOS has a minimum 33% fan speed - should be the same 3080 or 3090, and if not, you don't have the right VBIOS loaded or they messed up at the factory.
Both the stock OC & the XOC OC BIOS on the 3080 FTW3 Ultra allowed me to set the fan to 0% at idle with a custom fan stepping curve & have the fans shut off. It's stupid that it's not something you can do on the 3090 (OC) XOC BIOS. Luckily the Normal XOC BIOS for the 3090 allows it and still has the "500W" power limit. I do not understand why they would make it so that the fan CANNOT be turned down below 40% on the OC BIOS, if you want to have quiet idling with 0 RPM you should be allowed to. I understand the STOCK OC BIOS curve having a minimum speed, that makes perfect sense, but straight up blocking the ability to have the fan turn off if you set it to in your fan curve just... what? Why. Just why. Other than that, good stuff so far, minor oversight they should 100% fix when/if they ever update these. rock2k I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
As someone else stated, it is on page 1 of this thread. andressergio So this is the Hybrid Kit for the RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra? https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-1988-B1 Just a fan over the VRM's? and a slim copper plate for the mem, no heatsink? as they don't show inside the part were the fan is (the cover).
That "thin copper plate" has thermal paste that connects it to the GPU's cooling block, which then soaks some of that heat & cools it. The VRMs/etc do have additional black-colored heatsinks on them, or it would run a lot hotter than it does. I wish someone would do an actually thorough view/install video of the kit so people could see the entire contents, because people not seeing the black heatsink portion that goes under the shroud is really freaking some people out thinking there's actually no heatsinks above the pads for the VRM etc, which is not the case - at least it better not be. lol I didn't look inside my card to check it out, I'll take a peep. ---- after inspection through the rear IO bracket holes, there are indeed black finned (though they're thick fins & spacing is a bit wide) heatsinks on the VRM areas indeed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 17:40:35
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Dabadger84 That "thin copper plate" has thermal paste that connects it to the GPU's cooling block, which then soaks some of that heat & cools it. The VRMs/etc do have additional black-colored heatsinks on them, or it would run a lot hotter than it does. I wish someone would do an actually thorough view/install video of the kit so people could see the entire contents, because people not seeing the black heatsink portion that goes under the shroud is really freaking some people out thinking there's actually no heatsinks above the pads for the VRM etc, which is not the case - at least it better not be. lol I didn't look inside my card to check it out, I'll take a peep. ---- after inspection through the backplate holes, there are indeed black finned (though they're thick fins & spacing is a bit wide) heatsinks on the VRM areas indeed.
Thank You! I asked because I have a RTX 2080TI KPE Hybrid and it uses almost the same except that the part of the VRM is entirely covered with a copper HS, and I think the copper thin plate is almost the same, also uses an Asetek 240 AIO. My only concern are the chips on the back of the card that's the reason OPTIMUS Waterblock went off Stock inmediately because it's huge, wich I could lay may hands on one, but dunno when they'll be restocked. Almost nobody is paying attention to the back part and it does help if you cool it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 17:56:45
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andressergio Thank You! I asked because I have a RTX 2080TI KPE Hybrid and it uses almost the same except that the part of the VRM is entirely covered with a copper HS, and I think the copper thin plate is almost the same, also uses an Asetek 240 AIO. My only concern are the chips on the back of the card that's the reason OPTIMUS Waterblock went off Stock inmediately because it's huge, wich I could lay may hands on one, but dunno when they'll be restocked. Almost nobody is paying attention to the back part and it does help if you cool it. The back of the card does have a flat heatpipe running on part of it with thermal pads connecting to the vRAM on the back to "spread" the heat out over the backplate - it's better than nothing. The big difference with the Hybrid vs the non-Hybrid 3090 is the fact that the GPU & everything else is running cooler on the GPU side due to the AIO cooling the die, which results in less heat being soaked in to the PCB, and as a result, the vRAM doesn't run quite as hot either (GDDR6X does run hot, period, compared to earlier GDDR versions). Here's some numbers I saw during a half hour or so brief gaming session in Cyberpunk - note this is with an undervolt as shown by the voltage readout during the load, but also note, the GPU core clock is higher than what it runs at stock ;) undervolt overclocking ftw! : If I'm correct about positioning, MEM1 is located between the GPU die & the VRM that is towards the exhaust-end of the card, meaning it's in the hottest area with the way these cards vent their heat. MEM2 is between the GPU die & the PCIe slot, and MEM3 is either on the backside of the GPU, or between the GPU die & the VRM that is towards the fan of the card, but it is also getting direct airflow from the fan, on top of the GPU block's soak-style cooling, which is why it's running the coolest. I wonder if Buildzoid covered the actual iCX sensor placements in his PCB breakdown for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra... it's the same PCB - I'll have to look that video up & give it a rewatch. I'd love to know 100% for sure where those sensors are.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 18:03:14
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andressergio Thank You! I asked because I have a RTX 2080TI KPE Hybrid and it uses almost the same except that the part of the VRM is entirely covered with a copper HS, and I think the copper thin plate is almost the same, also uses an Asetek 240 AIO. My only concern are the chips on the back of the card that's the reason OPTIMUS Waterblock went off Stock inmediately because it's huge, wich I could lay may hands on one, but dunno when they'll be restocked. Almost nobody is paying attention to the back part and it does help if you cool it. The back of the card does have a flat heatpipe running on part of it with thermal pads connecting to the vRAM on the back to "spread" the heat out over the backplate - it's better than nothing. The big difference with the Hybrid vs the non-Hybrid 3090 is the fact that the GPU & everything else is running cooler on the GPU side due to the AIO cooling the die, which results in less heat being soaked in to the PCB, and as a result, the vRAM doesn't run quite as hot either (GDDR6X does run hot, period, compared to earlier GDDR versions). Here's some numbers I saw during a half hour or so brief gaming session in Cyberpunk - note this is with an undervolt as shown by the voltage readout during the load, but also note, the GPU core clock is higher than what it runs at stock ;) undervolt overclocking ftw! :
If I'm correct about positioning, MEM1 is located between the GPU die & the VRM that is towards the exhaust-end of the card, meaning it's in the hottest area with the way these cards vent their heat. MEM2 is between the GPU die & the PCIe slot, and MEM3 is either on the backside of the GPU, or between the GPU die & the VRM that is towards the fan of the card, but it is also getting direct airflow from the fan, on top of the GPU block's soak-style cooling, which is why it's running the coolest. I wonder if Buildzoid covered the actual iCX sensor placements in his PCB breakdown for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra... it's the same PCB - I'll have to look that video up & give it a rewatch. I'd love to know 100% for sure where those sensors are.
Running Cyberpunk 2077 ALL Ultra Settings at 3440x1440 I have those same MEM Temps on Air with fans at 77% and a fan blowing behind NOT pointed to where the caps are but to the whole backplate (the fan is in a stand at less than 1cm from the backplate and paralell to it), so it does a good job, and here it's 25C+ room temp. Core goes to 67C and max I saw was 70C. I was lucky with this card, not only on Clocks but Cooling. Those temps you have are nice but I think I will wait for a good water block instead. Cheers Sergio!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 18:07:59
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btw we are getting closer to 2 month with no reply about the BETA XOC BIOS October 21, 2020 - December 15, 2020
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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andressergio Running Cyberpunk 2077 ALL Ultra Settings at 3440x1440 I have those same MEM Temps on Air with fans at 77% and a fan blowing behind NOT pointed to where the caps are but to the whole backplate (the fan is in a stand at less than 1cm from the backplate and paralell to it), so it does a good job, and here it's 25C+ room temp. Core goes to 67C and max I saw was 70C. I was lucky with this card, not only on Clocks but Cooling. Those temps you have are nice but I think I will wait for a good water block instead. Cheers Sergio!
Yeah Cyberpunk is the heaviest load I can find so far it seems, on my 3080 it was running several degrees warmer than any other game on the GPU core temp, and that was with the fans capping out at 80% under load. But, it's also the only game I've played extensively that has RT & DLSS both in it, haven't played Control or Watch Dogs Legion yet even though I own them. It's one great game visually so far, that's for sure though.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Well, hybrid kit installed. The instructions weren't the best (could have said WHICH screw package to use, the bags were labeled) and it was missing the two rubber plugs for the two screw holes that weren't used. Swapped the two fans with two corsair ML120s - no push/pull yet. Very minor upgrade in performance using the XC3 VBIOS https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/645547/pr/542809# Using the XOC or Kingpin VBIOS was still getting heavily power limited. But I did see one very brief spike to 506W. Since the hybrid will keep the card cooler (hopefully), I'm going to try out the XC3 VBIOS for gaming and see if it helps any in CP2077 - on air it got up to 78C on air with 100% fans.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 19:28:21
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arestavo Well, hybrid kit installed. The instructions weren't the best (could have said WHICH screw package to use, the bags were labeled) and it was missing the two rubber plugs for the two screw holes that weren't used. Swapped the two fans with two corsair ML120s - no push/pull yet. Very minor upgrade in performance using the XC3 VBIOS https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/645547/pr/542809# Using the XOC or Kingpin VBIOS was still getting heavily power limited. But I did see one very brief spike to 506W. Since the hybrid will keep the card cooler (hopefully), I'm going to try out the XC3 VBIOS for gaming and see if it helps any in CP2077 - on air it got up to 78C on air with 100% fans.
Did you happen to take pictures during the kit install at all? People are asking if the Hybrid kit/cards have an actual heatsink over the VRMs & the like... I can see for certain there is one on the VRM closer to the GPU's exhaust, but I can't get at the angle to confirm the other VRM has fins as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 19:32:26
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rock2k I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
it's on page 1 bro...
Those are FTW3 Hybrid bios and I need FTW3 Ultra hybrid bios
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 20:02:18
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rock2k I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
it's on page 1 bro...
Those are FTW3 Hybrid bios and I need FTW3 Ultra hybrid bios
you will be limited like the ones on air
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 20:07:42
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I'll make an unboxing video of the hybrid kit tomorrow on my twitch channel.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 20:15:18
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Is this what you’re looking for? Will try and take better pics when I finally get around to installing it. This is for the ftw3.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/12/15 20:27:55
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rock2k
andressergio
rock2k
I would love to get a hold of the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID Bios if you can upload them?
it's on page 1 bro...
Those are FTW3 Hybrid bios and I need FTW3 Ultra hybrid bios
you will be limited like the ones on air
You don't understand i can't install those drivers due to the fact i'm using Hybrid Kit on top of FTW3 Ultra card so those bios can't detect any adapters
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