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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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or rather, beyond max speed
Not possible. Read PWM specifications. There is no such thing as greater than 100% duty cycle. Do they tap into free energy to break the 100% barrier?
OCP will cause the fan to go to 100%. How can you determine which came first? The chicken or the egg? Considering that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a big percentage of these cards have a power balance issue and are known to power cap when they shouldn't (or OCP when they shouldn't), doesn't it make more sense that the fan reaching 100% is a symptom of OCP triggering and is unrelated to the fan sometimes displaying erroneous values?
I agree that the fan bug is annoying and should be fixed, but I don't believe that the fan bug is killing cards. The fan simply does not consume much power. You could jump them from 0% to 100% instantaneously and they won't consume more than a couple dozen watts. A couple dozen watts is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
How am I supposed to know? Send your card to buildzoid or elmor instead of attacking me for posting observations and then find out for yourself. Because it sounded like everything I said flew over your head. Or you're intentionally trolling to make yourself sound like some hotshot ultra macho expert on something you know absolutely nothing about. Are you on eVGA's payroll or a shill?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/26 22:17:45
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Hello, I received a beta key for New World Beta today and I own a RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA.
I'm curious to see what happens when I play it.
So are we... 
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/26 22:50:58
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I see people saying they had to pay 100+ for shipping on their RMA. But I noticed this text on the evga warranty page. As a thank you for our customers, we now include a pre-paid UPS return label in the box. Is this new?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 01:37:28
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Not possible. Read PWM specifications. There is no such thing as greater than 100% duty cycle. Do they tap into free energy to break the 100% barrier?
OCP will cause the fan to go to 100%. How can you determine which came first? The chicken or the egg? Considering that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a big percentage of these cards have a power balance issue and are known to power cap when they shouldn't (or OCP when they shouldn't), doesn't it make more sense that the fan reaching 100% is a symptom of OCP triggering and is unrelated to the fan sometimes displaying erroneous values?
I agree that the fan bug is annoying and should be fixed, but I don't believe that the fan bug is killing cards. The fan simply does not consume much power. You could jump them from 0% to 100% instantaneously and they won't consume more than a couple dozen watts. A couple dozen watts is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
PWM fans are responsible for controlling their own usage of the 12v, unlike normal fans where the board would control that. So i assume in this case the board sends more than those 12v, the fan that runs on a % of those 12v goes over their RPM and their consumption.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 02:06:13
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1+1+1+1= answer
How many proof do we have of which component is actually failing on the PCB?
Basically we need more pictures of the component that failed on the PCB to verify if they all had the same part blown-up.
Clarify what that component is and get all the details on it, all the specs from a spec sheet will be really solid.
Next verify how that component is getting power, and where that power is going.
Then we should have a close understanding what is causing it to fail.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 02:20:50
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1+1+1+1= answer
How many proof do we have of which component is actually failing on the PCB?
Basically we need more pictures of the component that failed on the PCB to verify if they all had the same part blown-up.
Clarify what that component is and get all the details on it, all the specs from a spec sheet will be really solid.
Next verify how that component is getting power, and where that power is going.
Then we should have a close understanding what is causing it to fail.
but that's what Igorls Lab did, they some cards saw the fan circuit blown. I certainly don't know if that's what happened but it's interily possible to happen as they said (unlike some comments here that clearly don't know how pwm fans work). It's such a rare thing to happen and when it happens more then once it clearly shows a pattern and the problem. Since they were the only ones showing interest on this we can't dismiss it. Anyway only ECGA can and should have a bigger sample and made a recall and give an explanation
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 04:37:27
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or rather, beyond max speed
Not possible. Read PWM specifications. There is no such thing as greater than 100% duty cycle. Do they tap into free energy to break the 100% barrier?
OCP will cause the fan to go to 100%. How can you determine which came first? The chicken or the egg? Considering that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a big percentage of these cards have a power balance issue and are known to power cap when they shouldn't (or OCP when they shouldn't), doesn't it make more sense that the fan reaching 100% is a symptom of OCP triggering and is unrelated to the fan sometimes displaying erroneous values?
I agree that the fan bug is annoying and should be fixed, but I don't believe that the fan bug is killing cards. The fan simply does not consume much power. You could jump them from 0% to 100% instantaneously and they won't consume more than a couple dozen watts. A couple dozen watts is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
How am I supposed to know?
Send your card to buildzoid or elmor instead of attacking me for posting observations and then find out for yourself.
Because it sounded like everything I said flew over your head. Or you're intentionally trolling to make yourself sound like some hotshot ultra macho expert on something you know absolutely nothing about.
Are you on eVGA's payroll or a shill?
The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 04:40:17
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Hello, I received a beta key for New World Beta today and I own a RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA.
I'm curious to see what happens when I play it.
What revision is your card? Also IMO without any official word from EVGA I'd say go ahead and play it... If your card dies it was faulty and needed to be replaced anyway. No sense avoiding a game to save it from exposing faulty hardware because then you are just playing Russian roulette every time a new game comes out. Not to mention it's entire purpose is to run games so the failure to do so is a failure of the product
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 04:55:39
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ty_ger07
Not possible. Read PWM specifications. There is no such thing as greater than 100% duty cycle. Do they tap into free energy to break the 100% barrier?
OCP will cause the fan to go to 100%. How can you determine which came first? The chicken or the egg? Considering that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a big percentage of these cards have a power balance issue and are known to power cap when they shouldn't (or OCP when they shouldn't), doesn't it make more sense that the fan reaching 100% is a symptom of OCP triggering and is unrelated to the fan sometimes displaying erroneous values?
I agree that the fan bug is annoying and should be fixed, but I don't believe that the fan bug is killing cards. The fan simply does not consume much power. You could jump them from 0% to 100% instantaneously and they won't consume more than a couple dozen watts. A couple dozen watts is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
PWM fans are responsible for controlling their own usage of the 12v, unlike normal fans where the board would control that. So i assume in this case the board sends more than those 12v, the fan that runs on a % of those 12v goes over their RPM and their consumption.
Does not make sense. Where is a source of greater than 12 volts? There is no boost converter to be found. Kylearan
How am I supposed to know?
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Now you know.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 05:41:04
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
Interesting, I've got RGB disabled.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 05:43:08
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How am I supposed to know?
PWM control of a Fan is a basic concept in PC building and setup. Most people who are attempting to troubleshoot something complicated like a graphics card learned how fan PWM works in PC's a while back.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 05:54:26
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
Interesting, I've got RGB disabled.
do you see the fan duty glitching under load in gpu-z or any other utilities?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 06:00:40
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
Interesting, I've got RGB disabled.
do you see the fan duty glitching under load in gpu-z or any other utilities?
It would be mind-blowing if the end root cause is rgb. I have mine disabled as well and haven't seen any issues in a ton of gaming from 4k RDR2 maxed out to playing potato early tomb raider games. But seriously I'd never be able to give up my opinion that rgb is stupid and just increases price for zero benefit if it was found to have been frying $2k cards. Even if it was a bad implementation. The freaking unicorn vomit out of the box default on these ftw3 cards is so hilariously bad.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 06:18:16
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No sign of fan glitching, but I'm not riding VREL.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 06:38:49
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It would be mind-blowing if the end root cause is rgb. I have mine disabled as well and haven't seen any issues in a ton of gaming from 4k RDR2 maxed out to playing potato early tomb raider games.
But seriously I'd never be able to give up my opinion that rgb is stupid and just increases price for zero benefit if it was found to have been frying $2k cards. Even if it was a bad implementation.
The freaking unicorn vomit out of the box default
on these ftw3 cards is so hilariously bad.
Do you know what revision your card is (sorry if you already said)
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 06:53:56
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It would be mind-blowing if the end root cause is rgb. I have mine disabled as well and haven't seen any issues in a ton of gaming from 4k RDR2 maxed out to playing potato early tomb raider games.
But seriously I'd never be able to give up my opinion that rgb is stupid and just increases price for zero benefit if it was found to have been frying $2k cards. Even if it was a bad implementation.
The freaking unicorn vomit out of the box default
on these ftw3 cards is so hilariously bad.
Do you know what revision your card is (sorry if you already said)
yes..paying extra for a rgb card is about as dumb as it gets imho
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 07:29:47
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It was bought just before christmas just when the mass reports of failure was starting so I'm guessing earlier revision. It's black lip. Don't quote me on the numbers but 2014? Edit : Running on a Corsair white 850rmx psu dedicated power cables on each plug. On a designare x399 mobo with 16 core threadripper in a tower 900 case with a custom side panel that has two 140mm fans feeding the card cool air. Nother Edit : I should mention it's never had the bios switch flipped I never upgraded the bios and it's still running the driver that was available at Christmas. I also haven't tried to overclock it at all. I just don't bother with that anymore. It's a steamy beast though routinely gets up to 86c even with the side panels off and a box fan blowing it with cool air prior to me making the custom side panel.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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Hello, I received a beta key for New World Beta today and I own a RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA.
I'm curious to see what happens when I play it.
So are we...
If anyone has a spare beta key I will try it on my 3080 Ti FTW with max power and a +150 core overclock on 4K VRR.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 07:41:04
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My question to all is has there been a card failure when under water??? I have mine on optimus and 1k bios. And never had a problem. When I removed the fan assembly, the paste and pads were crap. I always suspected heat being a problem with these cards...
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 07:59:00
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It would be mind-blowing if the end root cause is rgb. I have mine disabled as well and haven't seen any issues in a ton of gaming from 4k RDR2 maxed out to playing potato early tomb raider games.
But seriously I'd never be able to give up my opinion that rgb is stupid and just increases price for zero benefit if it was found to have been frying $2k cards. Even if it was a bad implementation.
The freaking unicorn vomit out of the box default
on these ftw3 cards is so hilariously bad.
End root cause of what? The fan RPM glitch, or the cards burning up thing? RGB could be the cause of the RPM and temperature reporting glitches, but since I don't believe that either of those are the cause of the fuses popping, I don't think it is the end root cause of the subject of this thread.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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If RGB turns out to be the cause of the fan RPM reporting and black screen red LED lights of doom, I'll eat a frog and record myself doing it.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 08:28:08
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yes..paying extra for a rgb card is about as dumb as it gets imho
For those who have a short memory, the 3090 FTW3 Ultras were practically the only ones available at launch. I'm sure RGB was seen as a bonus for some, but not part of the final decision into buying a 3090.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 08:32:41
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
^ This! The fans might be glitchy but isn't going to cause the cards to blow. The problem has been the same from day 1 - EVGA put fuses on these cards, and Ampere has a lot of transient power spikes to deal with. A quick spike that won't damage the card otherwise now ends up blowing the fuse out. Bad power balancing on the different power rails makes this problem even worse. ALL early 3090 FTW3s were ticking time bombs, you just needed the right catalyst to blow the fuse out. I don't know if the rev 1.0 PCB 3090 FTW3s are better but hopefully EVGA did address some of the problem with their PCB design - its not a totally new PCB though so many of the original weaknesses of the FTW3 PCB remains, since power balance is still an issue, just not as bad. 3090s are most susceptible because of their high power draw and TDP, but that's not to say it can't happen in rarer circumstances on 3080s. EVGA should have removed or uprated the fuses - no other Ampere cards have them.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
^ This! The fans might be glitchy but isn't going to cause the cards to blow.
The problem has been the same from day 1 - EVGA put fuses on these cards, and Ampere has a lot of transient power spikes to deal with. A quick spike that won't damage the card otherwise now ends up blowing the fuse out. Bad power balancing on the different power rails makes this problem even worse. ALL early 3090 FTW3s were ticking time bombs, you just needed the right catalyst to blow the fuse out. I don't know if the rev 1.0 PCB 3090 FTW3s are better but hopefully EVGA did address some of the problem with their PCB design - its not a totally new PCB though so many of the original weaknesses of the FTW3 PCB remains, since power balance is still an issue, just not as bad.
3090s are most susceptible because of their high power draw and TDP, but that's not to say it can't happen in rarer circumstances on 3080s. EVGA should have removed or uprated the fuses - no other Ampere cards have them.
Do you know if the changes to the 3090 FTW3 PCB applies to newer 3080 FTW3s?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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The fan bug is definitely unrelated to the card deaths, this is just a side effect of having a busy i2c bus that the stupid RGB controller is riding causing interrupt blockers.
^ This! The fans might be glitchy but isn't going to cause the cards to blow.
The problem has been the same from day 1 - EVGA put fuses on these cards, and Ampere has a lot of transient power spikes to deal with. A quick spike that won't damage the card otherwise now ends up blowing the fuse out. Bad power balancing on the different power rails makes this problem even worse. ALL early 3090 FTW3s were ticking time bombs, you just needed the right catalyst to blow the fuse out. I don't know if the rev 1.0 PCB 3090 FTW3s are better but hopefully EVGA did address some of the problem with their PCB design - its not a totally new PCB though so many of the original weaknesses of the FTW3 PCB remains, since power balance is still an issue, just not as bad.
3090s are most susceptible because of their high power draw and TDP, but that's not to say it can't happen in rarer circumstances on 3080s. EVGA should have removed or uprated the fuses - no other Ampere cards have them.
Is the fuse visible anywhere? I know there was a guy on YouTube who had shorted his out (because he thought it was a mechanism to void warranty) but if worst comes to worst and this problem never gets officially acknowledged shorting that fuse out may be the only real fix (though not for the faint of heart)
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 08:49:25
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Do you know if the changes to the 3090 FTW3 PCB applies to newer 3080 FTW3s?
Unfortunately I've not seen or heard about any revisions to the 3080 FTW3s except for the KL (Low Hash Rate) parts being released. The 3080 Ti FTW3 seems to behave like a revised 3090 (drawing less power on PCIe slot now) and has the OnSemi VRM controller.
post edited by neteng101 - 2021/07/27 09:22:03
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kevinc313
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 09:03:50
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ty_ger07
End root cause of what? The fan RPM glitch, or the cards burning up thing?
RGB could be the cause of the RPM and temperature reporting glitches, but since I don't believe that either of those are the cause of the fuses popping, I don't think it is the end root cause of the subject of this thread.
You know, there could be more than one path of card failure and the game could be producing more than one abnormal load situation.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 09:25:58
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KeithW19
Is the fuse visible anywhere? I know there was a guy on YouTube who had shorted his out (because he thought it was a mechanism to void warranty) but if worst comes to worst and this problem never gets officially acknowledged shorting that fuse out may be the only real fix (though not for the faint of heart)
Look for the PCBs on TechPowerUp reviews. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ftw3-ultra/3.htmlThe fuses are the little white dots next to the ROHS ICs. You can even see 20 imprinted on them, 20 amp fuses. The back side fuse for the PCIe slot I'm less certain about, believe its that R labeled next to ROHS by the slot.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/27 09:44:39
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In terms of visual damage, does anyone know what to look for on the board? I have some good pictures of my card before sending it back to EVGA. I was unable to see anything obviously wrong even after the pretty loud POP it did.
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