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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
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Dont trust Jay. His word isnt worth 2 cents. Hes just trying to get viewers.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:04:44
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I'm no electrical engineer. This much is obvious, because
novacane111 Using rabbit ear'd PCIE cables would most certainly go over the 150w design spec. Two 8-pins rabbit-ear'd could easily approach 280-300W on a single PCIE 8-pin cable during game play.
There is no 150w design spec for the cables 8pin cables must provide a minimum of 150w as the 8pin Input on the card has the capability of drawing up to 150w per socket. But most of the cables are specced for up to 280w(or higher as cable grade and insulation increases), hence why the official stance for daisy chaining is that its ok to run #2 and #3 on one cable with a quality, brand name unit (that isn't from the cheaper end, which usually ship with 8pin-8pin only peg cables) - and in normal cases, the 3 8pins balance 130w each and draw only about 65-70 on the slot. Your card is a timebomb waiting to go off, pin #3 is too low and slot draw is exceeding spec.
this seems to be my therory as well, with the card not load balancing properly between then #3 8pin annd the Pcie causing the pcie to supply more AMPs / Volts to the circuitry downstream which is only designed to handle the spec 75W
that makes no sense, from start to finish, all that would cause would be motherboard or psu pcie power cable failure (melting), not gpu failure. The card is the one that asks how much it wants, neither psu or mobo ever send more then the gpu asks that's not how it works ever. If the card just asks what it wants and it's over spec for the cable, there is no reason for the gpu to fail, it didn't got more then it asked, that is impossible.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:10:39
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Honestly between yesterdays video, his twitter threads and now this, i'm just picturing him with big cartoon eyes with CONTENT written across his face.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:37:37
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I agree it is clearly a highly abnormal load situation that any normal stress testing regimen would not replicate, exposing a weakness in the card, possibly vram temps and/or vram power delivery. BTW, the ancient ATI tool 3d render will let you run 6000fps at about half power. People use it to test max stable core clock.
cool... at least is is on 50% power :-) (I am tempted to try it.. any download link for it?) What makes me wonder Amazon claims it is not their fault yet they are quickly deploying patch limit FPS in menu :-) this will be interesting to follow up in the future what outcome there will be for them.
Other developers will likely implement similar patches, but they can slip it in during a regular patch and get away without publicizing it. Amazon was the one that was caught and it was their game that exposed the weakness, so it's on them to publicize that they've patched the problem. While this could very well have been the result of sloppy/poor coding, software should push the limits of technology and hardware should have built-in governors that limit how hard it can be pushed.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:42:50
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glenn37216 Dont trust Jay. His word isnt worth 2 cents. Hes just trying to get viewers.
don't think he trying
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:42:56
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liud21 millions played that Beta
Does anyone know how many people actually played the beta? I doubt that it's millions.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 10:57:11
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liud21 millions played that Beta
Does anyone know how many people actually played the beta? I doubt that it's millions.
Amazon said 100s of 1000s with millions of hours of combined play time.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:00:38
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liud21 millions played that Beta
Does anyone know how many people actually played the beta? I doubt that it's millions.
Amazon said 100s of 1000s with millions of hours of combined play time.
Impressive numbers. Not my thing but I suppose there is a large MMO market out there. https://www.ibtimes.com/n...steam-3256577?ft=b90u9
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:08:09
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liud21 millions played that Beta
Does anyone know how many people actually played the beta? I doubt that it's millions.
Amazon said 100s of 1000s with millions of hours of combined play time.
Impressive numbers. Not my thing but I suppose there is a large MMO market out there. https://www.ibtimes.com/n...steam-3256577?ft=b90u9
just the new "IT" thing for streamers to get views. same thing happened with Among Us same thing happened with Cyberpunk same thing will happen with [insert new game] then it dies down and no one cares anymore
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:14:49
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Zanza741 Supposedly the problem is the fan control chip. That is extra from EVGA on card. (iCX3) Normally you do not need such a thing to regulate the cards via GPU.
What about warranty, is such a defect covered?
From what I heard, EVGA is covering this issue. (Their RMA reason section was updated to have "New World Game Issue" as an option.) Can someone point me to where there's a collection of PCB revisions? I saw that people were saying that only certain revisions had this issue and wanted to know where they got that information. I also monitored my 3090 FTW3 HC and it got to a max of 47c while playing for 3+ hours. I'll check the memory and (TJunction?) temps later today but does anyone know if the HC lacks that chip? Wouldn't think that a 3090 HC would have/need a fan regulation chip.
That is the question. Almost nobody says if the dead cards are Rev. 0.1 or Rev. 1.0 ! I only heard back from two people that their dead cards are starting with 20XX on their serial number. So their cards are Rev. 0.1 ! Edit: And what I have read so far many cards are 8 to 10 months old. So they are also Rev. 0.1 ! Rev. 1.0 was first released back in march.
I have no idea what my original card was, it was a black lips however. But my RMA card was, for sure, a Rev 0.1, looking at it right now. I have my replacement on the way, and they're promising a NIB one.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:21:10
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jaketeck Interesting. These boards have shunt resistors and power monitoring all over the place. I suspect that there may be a path that doesn't have power monitoring and that this game somehow maxes that path which leads to the failure. I'm reading through the entire thread now, has anyone inspected the failed cards yet?
read Igors Lab analysis. Crappy and outdated EVGA design https://www.igorslab.de/e...n-caused-evga-problem/
Worthless article. Seriously. He's not satisfied with EVGA's cooling control solution which is more advanced than the reference and nobody who knows what they are doing uses anyway? What?
You mean EVGA's proprietary fan controllers that force you to use their crappy software and only work sometimes? The article is entirely accurate as far as that goes.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:25:29
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jaketeck Interesting. These boards have shunt resistors and power monitoring all over the place. I suspect that there may be a path that doesn't have power monitoring and that this game somehow maxes that path which leads to the failure. I'm reading through the entire thread now, has anyone inspected the failed cards yet?
read Igors Lab analysis. Crappy and outdated EVGA design https://www.igorslab.de/e...n-caused-evga-problem/
Worthless article. Seriously. He's not satisfied with EVGA's cooling control solution which is more advanced than the reference and nobody who knows what they are doing uses anyway? What?
You mean EVGA's proprietary fan controllers that force you to use their crappy software and only work sometimes? The article is entirely accurate as far as that goes.
Yeah not a fan of the derpy 3rd fan on FTW3. But he was talking about ICX.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 11:55:56
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and jayz2cents is testing a evga card right now
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:14:46
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Don't trust Jay one bit, he blamed the game, something that is complete nonsense, and made some claims about other cards from amd and nvidia with the same problem that no one can find anywhere. If you are that into EVGA's pocket (basically every card he uses is from EVGA) please abstain from comments with everything EVGA related. Keep doing water stuff and stay away from the rest.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:24:09
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Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:25:02
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:26:57
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i read multiple forums - get off your butt and go look its more than EVGA and more than Nvidia cards it however is basically the top end cards from every series - the more power they use up the more likely they fail the 3090 is the highest power draw card thus we are seeing it more there it very well could be a combination issue with the PSU overvolting seriously bad (ie super spike) caused by power droop - the PSU will try to compensate and drive voltage high it could be affecting areas of the graphic cards that are not governed by the VRMs i know people are mad their cards died - it happens - there is an RMA process and EVGA is really good at support don't blame them if its Nvidia fault - they also rely on Nvidia doing due diligence in their designs same goes from companies who make PSU's - to advance PSU technology forward to avoid power spikes - we haven't seen real progress here the cards nowadays require better regulated power coming in - PSU's companies in my opinion have been dragging their feet in advances Im an owner of two 3090 FTW3 UG cards - im wondering do i have a problem i have to deal with at a later tome- RMA is there going to be recall? don't know all you can do is give EVGA info (and the cards)and let them figure it out they have engineers and will get to the bottom of it even if they have to test new world with new cards in the lab the fact is it happening to every brand maker and both AMD and NVIDIA
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:31:51
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Well I don't intend on doing that lol but I do intend on actually playing the game, most likely on my LG which would mean 4k/120/G-Sync. I'll run an undervolt too, shouldn't have any issues.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:40:38
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Kingpins have a unique and costume-built board, often with the best components to allow for over-clocking. While nobody's verified that the problem doesn't occur on Kingpin's, it wouldn't surprise me if this issue comes down to cheap components and this just reeks of the RTX CapGate all over again (at least to me). Honestly though, for the price of the 3090, I don't understand why cheap components are anywhere on the board, but I also think more like an engineer than an accountant.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:41:35
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Well I don't intend on doing that lol but I do intend on actually playing the game, most likely on my LG which would mean 4k/120/G-Sync. I'll run an undervolt too, shouldn't have any issues.
Yeah I'd set a frame cap. Undervolt does not prevent OCP, went into OCP (hard power disable, either psu or gpu OCP) at 1V and 2,040mhz on a 3080 Ti the other day.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:41:41
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Nope. I was at 4k, Gsync and frame limiter to 163 (it never even got close to that at any point). Pop.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:43:09
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Xavier Zepherious i read multiple forums - get off your butt and go look its more than EVGA and more than Nvidia cards it however is basically the top end cards from every series - the more power they use up the more likely they fail the 3090 is the highest power draw card thus we are seeing it more there it very well could be a combination issue with the PSU overvolting seriously bad (ie super spike) caused by power droop - the PSU will try to compensate and drive voltage high it could be affecting areas of the graphic cards that are not governed by the VRMs i know people are mad their cards died - it happens - there is an RMA process and EVGA is really good at support don't blame them if its Nvidia fault - they also rely on Nvidia doing due diligence in their designs same goes from companies who make PSU's - to advance PSU technology forward to avoid power spikes - we haven't seen real progress here the cards nowadays require better regulated power coming in - PSU's companies in my opinion have been dragging their feet in advances Im an owner of two 3090 FTW3 UG cards - im wondering do i have a problem i have to deal with at a later tome- RMA is there going to be recall? don't know all you can do is give EVGA info (and the cards)and let them figure it out they have engineers and will get to the bottom of it even if they have to test new world with new cards in the lab the fact is it happening to every brand maker and both AMD and NVIDIA
It's not happening at the massive level that's happening to EVGA cards... Reading one or two dead cards from 3 other different AIB is not the same as reading 20 or so plus from EVGA... Yeah, EVGA will get to the bottom of it, just like they did earlier in the year with the RLED of Death right? RMA, and release revisions until people forget about it, until another Amazon game comes along....
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:45:04
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Still no issue on my RTX 3090 FTW3 UG. I'm currently in queue screen and the GPU temp, usage and the power drain are not worrying. However, the temp is quite high for a menu screen (65 °C).
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:46:30
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Nope. I was at 4k, Gsync and frame limiter to 163 (it never even got close to that at any point). Pop.
Well uhh - my condolences. I haven't touched NW since Alpha and had no issues with it frying my card then (I had lots of other issues with it's gameplay and haven't gone back) - and not about to try again now. Spending $180 to RMA this card once was enough for me.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:47:39
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Elawarai Still no issue on my RTX 3090 FTW3 UG. I'm currently in queue screen and the GPU temp, usage and the power drain are not worrying. However, the temp is quite high for a menu screen (65 °C).
How far are you willing to go? Lol, ramp up the fans and unlock rps rate and load up the game...
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:51:33
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Well I don't intend on doing that lol but I do intend on actually playing the game, most likely on my LG which would mean 4k/120/G-Sync. I'll run an undervolt too, shouldn't have any issues.
Why in the world would you do that? Why not just wait until this gets figured out?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:54:30
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degenerate Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later ![](https://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/tongue_smilie.gif)
Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then? People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
Nope. I was at 4k, Gsync and frame limiter to 163 (it never even got close to that at any point). Pop.
Well uhh - my condolences. I haven't touched NW since Alpha and had no issues with it frying my card then (I had lots of other issues with it's gameplay and haven't gone back) - and not about to try again now. Spending $180 to RMA this card once was enough for me.
EVGA took care of me on this second RMA. I'm upset it happened, and it's probably because my ticket had this little gem in it the first time. ![](https://i.imgur.com/tOrypKe.png) Check the date. My RMA card that I was given was a Rev 0.1 board. Red lips. My first card was an unknown revision (didn't know to check) and black lips.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:57:09
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Didn't Amazon patch the issue today and cap the frames in the menu? Going to be hard to reproduce now unless you've still haven't updated.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:59:23
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Arrowhead2010 Didn't Amazon patch the issue today and cap the frames in the menu? Going to be hard to reproduce now unless you've still haven't updated.
Oh my... I'm gonna snap. It has nothing to do with the software. I can't say that enough. The game did NOT cause the problem, the problem was ALWAYS there.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card
2021/07/22 12:59:54
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gimeno Kingpins have a unique and costume-built board, often with the best components to allow for over-clocking. While nobody's verified that the problem doesn't occur on Kingpin's, it wouldn't surprise me if this issue comes down to cheap components and this just reeks of the RTX CapGate all over again (at least to me). Honestly though, for the price of the 3090, I don't understand why cheap components are anywhere on the board, but I also think more like an engineer than an accountant.
That's why I'm not expecting to have any issues, Kingpins are built to take the abuse of extreme LN2 benching so logic would dictate they are at least 'better equipped' to handle whatever NW is throwing at the GPU. kevinc313 Yeah I'd set a frame cap. Undervolt does not prevent OCP, went into OCP (hard power disable, either psu or gpu OCP) at 1V and 2,040mhz on a 3080 Ti the other day.
Yeah I'll probably end up capping at 80-90fps since I don't expect to be hitting 117fps at 4K based on what I've seen watching streamers with 3090's. Figured the undervolt will just help keep power usage within reason since I'm running the 1kW bios. We'll see what's up when I actually get in-game though. jaredbyoung Why in the world would you do that? Why not just wait until this gets figured out?
Well frankly because I have a Kingpin which is overbuilt for daily gaming and also that the framerate cap seems to mitigate the issue. I'm also of the mind that it's being blown a little out of proportion and it seems somewhat connected to the FTW3 Ultra failure rate that has always seemed to exist. *shrug*
post edited by degenerate - 2021/07/22 13:04:33
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