RypeSauce

squall-leonhart

I'm no electrical engineer.

 
This much is obvious, because
 

novacane111
Using rabbit ear'd PCIE cables would most certainly go over the 150w design spec. Two 8-pins rabbit-ear'd could easily approach 280-300W on a single PCIE 8-pin cable during game play.

There is no 150w design spec for the cables
8pin cables must provide a minimum of 150w as the 8pin Input on the card has the capability of drawing up to 150w per socket.
 
But most of the cables are specced for up to 280w(or higher as cable grade and insulation increases), hence why the official stance for daisy chaining is that its ok to run #2 and #3 on one cable with a quality, brand name unit (that isn't from the cheaper end, which usually ship with 8pin-8pin only peg cables) - and in normal cases, the 3 8pins balance 130w each and draw only about 65-70 on the slot.
 
Your card is a timebomb waiting to go off, pin #3 is too low and slot draw is exceeding spec.
 

this seems to be my therory as well, with the card not load balancing properly between then #3 8pin annd the Pcie causing the pcie to supply more AMPs / Volts to the circuitry downstream which is only designed to handle the spec 75W 
 

spider1701

kevinc313
 

I agree it is clearly a highly abnormal load situation that any normal stress testing regimen would not replicate, exposing a weakness in the card, possibly vram temps and/or vram power delivery.  
 
BTW, the ancient ATI tool 3d render will let you run 6000fps at about half power.  People use it to test max stable core clock.

cool... at least is is on 50% power :-) (I am tempted to try it.. any download link for it?)
 
What makes me wonder Amazon claims it is not their fault yet they are quickly deploying patch limit FPS in menu :-)
this will be interesting to follow up in the future what outcome there will be for them.

liud21 millions played that Beta

ObscureEmpyre

kevinc313

liud21 millions played that Beta

Does anyone know how many people actually played the beta? I doubt that it's millions.

Amazon said 100s of 1000s with millions of hours of combined play time.

MaxTheOwl

atimelessred

Zanza741
Supposedly the problem is the fan control chip. That is extra from EVGA on card. (iCX3) Normally you do not need such a thing to regulate the cards via GPU.

What about warranty, is such a defect covered?

From what I heard, EVGA is covering this issue. (Their RMA reason section was updated to have "New World Game Issue" as an option.)
 
Can someone point me to where there's a collection of PCB revisions? I saw that people were saying that only certain revisions had this issue and wanted to know where they got that information.
 
I also monitored my 3090 FTW3 HC and it got to a max of 47c while playing for 3+ hours. I'll check the memory and (TJunction?) temps later today but does anyone know if the HC lacks that chip? Wouldn't think that a 3090 HC would have/need a fan regulation chip.

That is the question. Almost nobody says if the dead cards are Rev. 0.1 or Rev. 1.0 ! I only heard back from two people that their dead cards are starting with 20XX on their serial number. So their cards are Rev. 0.1 !
 
Edit: And what I have read so far many cards are 8 to 10 months old. So they are also Rev. 0.1 ! Rev. 1.0 was first released back in march.

HeavyHemi

kevinc313

Outofstock4ever

jaketeck
Interesting. These boards have shunt resistors and power monitoring all over the place. I suspect that there may be a path that doesn't have power monitoring and that this game somehow maxes that path which leads to the failure. I'm reading through the entire thread now, has anyone inspected the failed cards yet?

read Igors Lab analysis. Crappy and outdated EVGA design
 
https://www.igorslab.de/e...n-caused-evga-problem/

Worthless article.  Seriously.  He's not satisfied with EVGA's cooling control solution which is more advanced than the reference and nobody who knows what they are doing uses anyway?  What?

You mean EVGA's proprietary fan controllers that force you to use their crappy software and only work sometimes? The article is entirely accurate as far as that goes.

degenerate
Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later

Mordgier

degenerate
Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later

Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then?
 
People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
 
 

degenerate

Mordgier

degenerate
Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later

Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then?
 
People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
 
 

Well I don't intend on doing that lol but I do intend on actually playing the game, most likely on my LG which would mean 4k/120/G-Sync. I'll run an undervolt too, shouldn't have any issues.

Xavier Zepherious
i read multiple forums - get off your butt and go look
its more than EVGA and more than Nvidia cards
 
it however is basically the top end cards from every series - the more power they use up the more likely they fail
the 3090 is the highest power draw card thus we are seeing it more there
 
it very well could be a combination issue with the PSU overvolting seriously bad (ie super spike)
caused by power droop - the PSU will try to compensate and drive voltage high
 
it could be affecting areas of the graphic cards that are not governed by the VRMs
 
i know people are mad their cards died - it happens - there is an RMA process and EVGA is really good at support
don't blame them if its Nvidia fault - they also rely on Nvidia doing due diligence in their designs
same goes from companies who make PSU's - to advance PSU technology forward to avoid power spikes - we haven't seen real progress here
 
the cards nowadays require better regulated power coming in - PSU's companies in my opinion have been dragging their feet in advances
 
Im an owner of two 3090 FTW3 UG cards - im wondering do i have a problem i have to deal with at a later tome- RMA
is there going to be recall? don't know
 
all you can do is give EVGA info (and the cards)and let them figure it out 
they have engineers and will get to the bottom of it
even if they have to test new world with new cards in the lab
 
the fact is it happening to every brand maker and both AMD and NVIDIA

HWG90

Mordgier

degenerate
Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later

Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then?
 
People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
 
 

Nope. I was at 4k, Gsync and frame limiter to 163 (it never even got close to that at any point). Pop.

degenerate

Mordgier

degenerate
Any dead Kingpins yet? Downloading the beta now was going to play it later

Set resolution to 1080, turn of frame limits and vsync, sit in menu, maybe we'll have one then?
 
People running 4k displays with 3090s or people with gsync and frame limits seemed to have been fine - sooo.
 
 

Well I don't intend on doing that lol but I do intend on actually playing the game, most likely on my LG which would mean 4k/120/G-Sync. I'll run an undervolt too, shouldn't have any issues.

gimeno
Kingpins have a unique and costume-built board, often with the best components to allow for over-clocking. While nobody's verified that the problem doesn't occur on Kingpin's, it wouldn't surprise me if this issue comes down to cheap components and this just reeks of the RTX CapGate all over again (at least to me). 
 
Honestly though, for the price of the 3090, I don't understand why cheap components are anywhere on the board, but I also think more like an engineer than an accountant.

kevinc313
Yeah I'd set a frame cap.  
 
Undervolt does not prevent OCP, went into OCP (hard power disable, either psu or gpu OCP) at 1V and 2,040mhz on a 3080 Ti the other day.

jaredbyoung
Why in the world would you do that?
 
Why not just wait until this gets figured out?