That video from Jayztwocents seems to be showing an issue specific to the FTW3... But then he kind of says it's not. Weird.

The point where GPU utilization is around 60% but TDP at 100% seemed interesting. If I understand correctly, GPU utilization is the GPU power divided by a GPU power limit? If so, it seems like it's saying a lot of power is going somewhere besides the GPU core?

03whitegsr
That video from Jayztwocents seems to be showing an issue specific to the FTW3... But then he kind of says it's not. Weird.

The point where GPU utilization is around 60% but TDP at 100% seemed interesting. If I understand correctly, GPU utilization is the GPU power divided by a GPU power limit? If so, it seems like it's saying a lot of power is going somewhere besides the GPU core?

Jayz is an idiot, don't watch people talk about what they don't know, worst when they are sponsored by EVGA

Outofstock4ever
Jayz is an idiot, don't watch people talk about what they don't know, worst when they are sponsored by EVGA

I mean, he pointed out a difference there that I don't think anybody else has.

I was more interested in having a conversation about it then hearing "he's an idiot" or insinuating he's covering for EVGA. Strive for better.

Has this been confirmed to be happening to any EVGA or other mfg gpus or models that were shipped out after april or more recently? I got my gigabyte aorus a few weeks ago.

gsrcrxsi

deathlessdd
jayztwocents did show the difference between a MSI 3090 and a evga 3090 the fact is evga doesnt stay near the power set limit no matter what game it plays. Which is very odd what is the point of having a power limit set if it goes 22% over the power limit? Think evga has some issues with this for sure. 

because the power % isnt showing what he thinks it's showing.
 
watch the video and many different times you'll see values ranging from 300W-400W all showing the same ~100%.
 
so 300W is 100% and 400W is also 100%? right.
 
it's most likely getting that % value from looking at the pcie slot power vs pcie slot power limit.

Clearly this isnt how the power limit works if you set it to 102% it shouldnt goto 120% period. I have a msi 3090 and a evga and I can confirm they do not act the same when setting a power limit it stays at the power limit it doesnt go over it. If the bios has a limit of 102% instead of 100% it shouldnt go over that.

gsrcrxsi

deathlessdd

gsrcrxsi

deathlessdd
jayztwocents did show the difference between a MSI 3090 and a evga 3090 the fact is evga doesnt stay near the power set limit no matter what game it plays. Which is very odd what is the point of having a power limit set if it goes 22% over the power limit? Think evga has some issues with this for sure. 

because the power % isnt showing what he thinks it's showing.
 
watch the video and many different times you'll see values ranging from 300W-400W all showing the same ~100%.
 
so 300W is 100% and 400W is also 100%? right.
 
it's most likely getting that % value from looking at the pcie slot power vs pcie slot power limit.

Clearly this isnt how the power limit works if you set it to 102% it shouldnt goto 120% period. I have a msi 3090 and it stays at the power limit it doesnt go over it. If the bios has a limit of 102% instead of 100% it shouldnt go over that.

you're not listening. the % value being displayed is not board power TDP %. it's very likely reading the power limit % of the PCIe slot. that's how you get varying board power readings showing the same power%, because slot power is the same, but total power is not.

What are you even talking about.... If I set a power limit of 100% the wattage of the bios limit should be used right. If it goes to the max power limit from the bios which is 120% which is the max wattage of the card, then its not listening to the power limit correct. 

gsrcrxsi
then tell me why:
i set power limit to 100%, 350W, turn boost lock on.
card sitting at idle.
card pulling ~100w total, 33W pcie, pcie limit at 66w
PX1 reports power @ 50%.
 
is 100/350 = 50%?, no
is 33/66 = 50%?, YES

Ok if you set the power limit to 100% it should be 420watts Max
If I set the power slider to 107% it allows the card to use 450watts.
If I set power limit to 100% it should trigger a power limit on the card not allowing it to go past 420 watts.
It shouldnt allow the card to run away and use the full wattage if I set it to 100%. 
The PCIE wattage is part of that limit. So I dont know what your even talking about it all power draw the goes to the card.

gsrcrxsi
i can't make this any simpler for you. when most software says "power at X%" for EVGA Ampere, it bases that on the pcie slot power limit and what the slot is using. this is the limiting factor most of the time.
 
how you think it should work, and how it actually works are not the same thing.

No it shows wattage for each thing SO I really dont understand what your even talking about right now. If you open gpuz and goto sensors it will show wattage for each thing if you have 3 power plugs it will show you what each is pulling plus the pciex16 power which is 75watts max. It takes all the wattage together that its drawing to caclulate what the max power the card is pulling.

gsrcrxsi

deathlessdd

gsrcrxsi
i can't make this any simpler for you. when most software says "power at X%" for EVGA Ampere, it bases that on the pcie slot power limit and what the slot is using. this is the limiting factor most of the time.
 
how you think it should work, and how it actually works are not the same thing.

No it shows wattage for each thing SO I really dont understand what your even talking about right now. If you open gpuz and goto sensors it will show wattage for each thing if you have 3 power plugs it will show you what each is pulling plus the pciex16 power which is 75watts max. It takes all the wattage together that its drawing to caclulate what the max power the card is pulling.

omg, I just said that GPUz is the only one that get's it right. but Jay was NOT using GPUz in his video.
 
open up GPUz and PX1 at the same time and observe the inconsistent readings, though they should be identical. they're not because PX1 reports power % differently.
 
i've had my card @285W total power, PX1 says 100%, GPUz says 81%
i've had my card @300W total power, PX1 says 100%, GPUz says 85%
i've had my card @350W total power, PX1 says 100%, GPUz says 100%

I opened msi after burner and gpuz, which jay is using msi after burner there almost identical id show the screen shot but I cant post any pics

gsrcrxsi
afterburner gets power % from the GPU. it does not calculate it itself. however it will report the correct power VALUE in watts. but the % value comes from what the card tells it.
 
the early 3090s had a known issue with pulling too much power from the PCIe slot. like around 80W when PCIe 12v spec is 66w.
 
80/66 = 121%, hmmmmm

elvnmagi
Has this been confirmed to be happening to any EVGA or other mfg gpus or models that were shipped out after april or more recently? I got my gigabyte aorus a few weeks ago.

That makes me hopeful that the more recently sold cards have been revised

https://www.reddit.com/r/EVGA/comments/oq8n14/try_the_new_new_world_game_they_said_what_could/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

talon951

I don't think that people don't listen, but they are probably struggling to understand. I had to read this about 3 times to really understand it all. Not because you wrote it poorly or something, but just not a trivial subject.

Are you following that 3080ti XC3 thread with everyone up in arms over the cards only showing 300-350w in GPUZ? I'd be curious to know what your thoughts are on that too. I'm assuming it's hitting some internal limit that we can't see (or directly see) in the monitoring tools.



Pretty sure that's PCIE Slot Power limiting the card.  People already tested that by soldering a 10 mOhm shunt on top of the PCIE Slot shunt and then they draw more power.
I did see at least one person recently (not sure if it was a digital VRM RMA card or not) where GPU Chip Power was throttling the new card :)
Any one of the 6 (or 7) shunts drawing more than their allowed power limit on that individual rail can trigger a power throttle.  Not just TDP.

8thWonder
 
Well the crashes aren't normal. The fans go at 100% and the PC stays on so god knows what heat damage has been done. Just because I managed to play around and get mine to boot it doesn't mean there's no long term heat damage or a flaw in the design. My PC wouldn't boot after I finally got it to boot by selecting the alt bios on my motherboard. When it loaded in to windows the screen was flickering like crazy, I managed to fix by re installing the normal BIOS (was on the 450w one previously) so I'm effectively running it on reduced load. 
 
Pretty sure I can kill the card if I go back to the 450w bios and play new world uncapped if that's what you're suggesting?

Okay, when something is going on and the card is about to die, crashing IS normal.
This is the card protecting itself.
Is it desirable behavior?
If you're trying to game?  No.
If you're trying to preserve your card?  YES!

The problem is, these sort of protections have a limited shelf life.
You can only over-current so many times before bad stuff REALLY starts to happen to the device.

So, do you prefer a card that crashes?
Or a card that dies?

deathlessdd
 

Ok if you set the power limit to 100% it should be 420watts Max
If I set the power slider to 107% it allows the card to use 450watts.
If I set power limit to 100% it should trigger a power limit on the card not allowing it to go past 420 watts.
It shouldnt allow the card to run away and use the full wattage if I set it to 100%. 
The PCIE wattage is part of that limit. So I dont know what your even talking about it all power draw the goes to the card.




The reason that guy is getting frustrated with you is because you aren't listening to what he's saying.
He's talking about a FIRMWARE BUG.
He's saying that the "TDP value" that MSI Afterburner (or PX1) is reporting is the % TDP of the PCIE Slot (relative to 66W).
Instead of the TDP of the entire card.
So if the PCIE slot is pulling 66W, "TDP" is reporting 100%.  If it's pulling 75W, it's reporting 120%
If it's pulling 33W, it's reporting 50%.
 
So "TDP" is reporting from a PCIE Slot power rail instead of the entire card (8 pin 1 + 8 pin 2 + 8 pin 3 + PCIE Slot added together, vs the "total" value allowed for these summed rails in VBIOS).
 
This has to be some bizarre firmware bug with the analog VRM....

 

deathlessdd

Kylearan

deathlessdd
 

Ok if you set the power limit to 100% it should be 420watts Max
If I set the power slider to 107% it allows the card to use 450watts.
If I set power limit to 100% it should trigger a power limit on the card not allowing it to go past 420 watts.
It shouldnt allow the card to run away and use the full wattage if I set it to 100%. 
The PCIE wattage is part of that limit. So I dont know what your even talking about it all power draw the goes to the card.

The reason that guy is getting frustrated with you is because you aren't listening to what he's saying.
He's talking about a FIRMWARE BUG.
He's saying that the "TDP value" that MSI Afterburner (or PX1) is reporting is the % TDP of the PCIE Slot (relative to 66W).
Instead of the TDP of the entire card.
So if the PCIE slot is pulling 66W, "TDP" is reporting 100%.  If it's pulling 75W, it's reporting 120%
If it's pulling 33W, it's reporting 50%.
 
So "TDP" is reporting from a PCIE Slot power rail instead of the entire card (8 pin 1 + 8 pin 2 + 8 pin 3 + PCIE Slot added together, vs the "total" value allowed for these summed rails in VBIOS).
 
This has to be some bizarre firmware bug with the analog VRM....

Mine does not do this and I have an evga ftw3 ultra 3090 if I set it to 100% it doesnt magically say 120% or any higher then 100% This is my point. jayz card isnt reading normally because he compared a MSI 3090 and a Evga 3090 and got 2 different readings.
 
 

Guys, please check my post above, I'm 99% sure it's just AB 4.6.4 Beta 3 reporting "percent normalized TDP" as GPU power percent, or percent of ~300w-325w, where ever that comes from, maybe rail power at the time.  My PCIe slot is showing a max of ~40w with 115% normalized TDP, so it's not that.