Berga

Lumic

bakedbeans6
Looks like the hybrids were briefly available on Newegg this afternoon. Was anyone able to grab one?

I'm super disappointed and this has been poorly handled by EVGA. One employee intermittently tweeting inaccurate ETAs isn't good enough.

Glad I'm not tje only one who feels this way. I've tweeted Jacob about ETAs three times now and have been ignored all three times.

Why I'm disappointed is mostly due to that this isn't how EVGA usually do things, at least from my experience. I've never gotten ignored by them before and have always been treated like I was their most valued customer.

I am in the same place as most of the people waiting for a Hybrid to be available outside of the loons selling them on Ebay and Amazon for 1000+ dollars. I have been a loyal EVGA customer for 10 plus years but I am close to getting a MSI Hybrid as they are available on several sites at this time. Come on EVGA, how about some accurate information on availability. 

stalinx20

forgiven.one

Berga

Lumic

bakedbeans6
Looks like the hybrids were briefly available on Newegg this afternoon. Was anyone able to grab one?

I'm super disappointed and this has been poorly handled by EVGA. One employee intermittently tweeting inaccurate ETAs isn't good enough.

Glad I'm not tje only one who feels this way. I've tweeted Jacob about ETAs three times now and have been ignored all three times.

Why I'm disappointed is mostly due to that this isn't how EVGA usually do things, at least from my experience. I've never gotten ignored by them before and have always been treated like I was their most valued customer.

I am in the same place as most of the people waiting for a Hybrid to be available outside of the loons selling them on Ebay and Amazon for 1000+ dollars. I have been a loyal EVGA customer for 10 plus years but I am close to getting a MSI Hybrid as they are available on several sites at this time. Come on EVGA, how about some accurate information on availability. 

Then do it. Do any of you read the posts on Computer industry news at all? Nvidia launched and finally manned up and said they have a huge back order and supply is very low, basically saying they're not sure what to do. That's what it sounds like to me. This is not EVGA's fault, quit making it like it is. Nobody here is going to care 2 cents (not even EVGA) if anyone goes for MSI, Asus, PNY, etc. If you're happy then I'm happy, more power to you.
here you go: http://forums.evga.com/Nvidia-claims-tight-GeForce-GTX-10801070-and-1060-supply-m2547587.aspx
 
It would be like you or I going into a Staples store and asking them when the product will be in stock. They don't know. The answer is "when the truck arrives", which they don't know. Nobody knows.

Thanks for giving me permission to purchase something. It's exactly what I was waiting for. /Sarcasm. No one has said the lack of supply is EVGA's fault rather the lack of proper communications as there have been several false statements about availability. Either way its a forum where people can express opinions and frustrations. Thanks for your 2 cents.
 
 

I'd say 'false statements' is a little harsh. EVGA (by which I basically mean Jacob) has been fairly careful stating things like "hopefully next week" and of course "Soon TM". I doubt he is getting explicitly clear information from the production line or from Nvidia and is balancing expectations of consumers vs expectations of supply. Sure, they have missed some dates that they probably really thought were likely based on what info they had, but I dont think they were lying intentionally.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying the delays are A Okay, this launch has been a debacle, but the real problem was a paper launch far too early ahead of a constrained supply on both the part of Nvidia, then all 3rd part vendors.

Scan.uk just delayed my order to the 27 sept , well!!! ,maybe can be the final date since someone said dat the 1080 would be available on a Sweden shop around the same time 

captainnibbles
I'd say 'false statements' is a little harsh. EVGA (by which I basically mean Jacob) has been fairly careful stating things like "hopefully next week" and of course "Soon TM". I doubt he is getting explicitly clear information from the production line or from Nvidia and is balancing expectations of consumers vs expectations of supply. Sure, they have missed some dates that they probably really thought were likely based on what info they had, but I dont think they were lying intentionally.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying the delays are A Okay, this launch has been a debacle, but the real problem was a paper launch far too early ahead of a constrained supply on both the part of Nvidia, then all 3rd part vendors.

All dates are going by the best information we have at the time, but of course things change. This is why most manufacturers will not give dates, intentionally lying does more harm than good IMO, in fact does no good at all so nobody at least at EVGA are intentionally lying about dates.
 
Right now for HYBRID, yes it has taken a bit longer than expected for good supply, and for that I apologize. I can say right now that we have a big focus on this and may start pulling in good supply starting next week. As always, this is the latest I have right now.

EVGA_JacobF

Glad I'm not tje only one who feels this way. I've tweeted Jacob about ETAs three times now and have been ignored all three times.

Why I'm disappointed is mostly due to that this isn't how EVGA usually do things, at least from my experience. I've never gotten ignored by them before and have always been treated like I was their most valued customer.

Because I don't want to provide any more dates until I know for sure a solid date. I can say now with reasonable confidence that we will see decent supply next week, but as always, things could change.

Thanks for the update Jacob, its much appreciated. I am really excited about getting my hands on one of the Hybrid cards.

It's very possible possible NVIDIA is maybe not capable to send enough cards to different brands.
I doubt EVGA have them and don't want to send on shelves. Demand is huge, mostly that will reflect on custom models.

Vlada011
It's very possible possible NVIDIA is maybe not capable to send enough cards to different brands.
I doubt EVGA have them and don't want to send on shelves. Demand is huge, mostly that will reflect on custom models.

Of course. I've not doubted for a second that EVGA isn't doing their best to get us these cards. What I think the latest day's posts have been about is just about the silence. But now we've finally gotten an answer and that was all we wanted. No set time or date, just an update on how it's going and maybe an estimate.
 
I did cancel the pre-order from scan.uk btw. Hoping to maybe buy one from the EVGA EU-site whenever they become available or otherwise from a Swedish store in case only US gets the cards again.
 
Peace boys
 
Berga of Sweden

stalinx20
http://forums.evga.com/CryEngine-to-Support-Vulkan-This-November-DX12-MultiGPU-Next-February-m2549397.aspx
Some good news for DX12 and multi-GPU (SLI) support. It's coming folks, just bear with the struggle and the patience. Just a matter of time until everybody gets on board. This is the usual norm when a new Direct X comes out.

It will be available to programmers directly in the engine.  It still doesn't mean they will code for it.  One can always hope.

stalinx20

Iluv2raceit
There is an entire thread that discusses this very issue regarding GTX1080 SLI vs. Titan XP.  The Titan XP won in the votes by over 80%.  Reason being?  Yup, the Titan XP provides more consistent performance regardless of the game being played.  And max FPS does NOT tell the whole story.  Even with lower FPS being shown onscreen in games, gameplay was still noticeably smoother with the single Titan XP in the vast majority of games.  Also, native DX12 games (not those that were DX11, then patched to DX12) do not scale well at all when played with an SLI configuration.  No such issues with a single Titan XP.
 
I owned a dual GTX980Ti SLI configuration and replaced them with a single Titan XP and can tell you first hand that what was pointed out in that thread is absolutely true.  Yes, I could have easily bought two GTX1080s and ran them in SLI, but I knew all of the shortfalls by doing so.  I have now owned the Titan XP for a few weeks and can happily say that I have found no need to buy a second one.  I play games at Ultra settings at both UQHD and 4K UHD resolutions on monitors that have G-Sync (Acer X34 and Acer XB321HK) and gameplay is very smooth.  Only Crysis 3 gives me issues, but that game's coding sucks (sloppy software devs) and was never properly optimized anyway.  Turn off AA when gaming at 4K UHD resolution and performance jumps 30-50%!  Anyone who does their homework knows that AA is an absolute waste at 4K UHD resolution anyways
 
Here's the thread for your viewing pleasure:
 
https://hardforum.com/threads/1080-sli-vs-titan-x-pascal.1905821/page-3

Remember to keep an open mind as you don't own an Titan XP, and thus don't know first hand the difference.

SLI is not all about "scaling" or bringing up higher FPS. For anyone to think that alone, probably should consider to read up more on SLI... SLI also keeps the single card from tanking, and helps take a lot of the load (utilization) off the 1 card, maintaining a certain FPS, of course, but not just to gain higher FPS, which everyone's #1 claim seems to be. It's not all about scaling. FYI, GTX 1080 is on GP 104, and TitanX is on GP102. Feel free to praise your Titan X, however. After all, it's the same price for 2x 1080s (no pun intended). I know I know.... "SLI doesn't scale well." Your article your presented was actually quite interesting on pages 4 and 5 on why DX12 is so bad with SLI.
 
 
Don't get me wrong. The titan is a very very nice machine. It throws me against the wall when someone's only argument is "SLI doesn't have good scaling". There is so much more for what it's good for, and not just to argue the justification for buying 2 cards, or "it doesn't scale well". I would buy 2x 1080s over 1070s. The 1080 is not a weaker card, the 1070 is. I would not SLI 2x 1070s over 2x 1080s. THat would be a mistake to me. Micro-stuttering... to each their own; Not everybody has it.
 
DX12, yeah...., it has a problem (a big one), which I have stated before Windows 10 even launched when everybody was all hyped about it being "better" than DX11, and I told many people, and I added it won't come out like everybody thinks it will. And, I also added that Devs will continue to use DX11 until solutions are made which will make DX12 usable. It hasn't. So, Devs will keep using DX11 otherwise. It's the same thing they did when Microsoft launched DX11, only the Devs were very skeptic on it due the failed launch of Vista, ran with DX10. The notification that Microsoft was stopping support of XP was it that "helped" make everybody use DX11, otherwise they'd still probably use it (DX9) , and that's a real shame, the shame that they would still use DX9 and not moving forward. I'll give you a year (maybe longer) until DX12 will be smooth and capable to be used in software to where more Devs will start implementing it into their product. Once it happens though, You're going to see amazing results in SLI. Also, I will add some money on the table for the companies so far that have added DX12 into their games were paid something by Microsoft. The question you should ask yourself is what kind of improvement are you getting from DX11 to 12?
 
Oh ya, that whole DX12 supporting AMD/Nvidia or Nvidia/AMD video cards, mixing and matching, that's a joke in itself. It won't ever happen.  We all know AMD and Nvidia will find their own "ways" to make that not happen.
 
 
 

Oh ye of little faith.  It's already been proven:  http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/18/heres-a-pc-running-amd-and-nvidia-video-cards-at-the-same-time/
 
It's just a matter of time before more games support the capability

Iluv2raceit

Oh ye of little faith.  It's already been proven:  http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/18/heres-a-pc-running-amd-and-nvidia-video-cards-at-the-same-time/
 
It's just a matter of time before more games support the capability

Maybe so, but give it time, we all know Nvidia and AMD will do their shenanigans  
 
Just a little slip of that NVidia "driver" while running AMD and Nvidia will theoretically cause the drivers to crash every time. Companies aren't stupid. If Nvidia can make it where the PhysX drivers will not work on AMD, then surely they can make it where if one tries to SLI an AMD card with an Nvidia card, then they might "reduce" the performance gains, compared to one who has both Nvidia cards. You know it's going to happen.....Does anybody else not see this happening, when this magic occurs?

drmarc
So this has been an interesting topic regarding the DX12 and using SLI vs. a single titan XP.  I'm in the market for a 4K build for gaming, and I am planning on getting 2 hybrid 1080's, knowing that for $200 more, the VRAM will exceed a single Titan when SLI and DX12 is optimized.  But this brings up the point - how many games are exceeding 8GB of VRAM.  Sure, if you turn up everything at 4K you can push it.  Do you really need it? Absolutely not.  Iluv2raceit made a great point - one can argue AA is pretty much minimal improvement in visuals at a huge performance cost (You can argue this even more so if you play on a TV and not a monitor where your face is right up to the pixels).
 
In regards to some 1080 SLI vs. Titan XP OC videos...take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtqGNmWS3Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcdYzsFLXds.
 
I'd be interested to know more about the Witcher 3 video.  Although the video looks like the Titan XP is smoother in most scenarios, the frame rates show the Titan is 50's in town where the SLI's are around 70.  At 2:35 to 2:40 is where you see the significant difference - the Titan XP lags to the 40's where the 1080's push through the demand as you transition from town to open world rendering.  The GTA V video similarly shows the 1080's outperforming the Titan XP, although the frame rate appears smoother on the Titan XP in the recording.
 
I don't doubt that owners of the Titan XP have smooth experiences, but I have a hard time believing it outperforms 2 1080's based on the 2 videos I linked.  Also, I am not sure if video recording software affects what we are watching as a final product of performance, thus I like to look at the actual frames during recording.

"...the VRAM will exceed a single Titan when SLI and DX12 is optimized"  Huh?  Where are you getting that from?  A single Titan XP has 12GB GDDR5X and I have never seen anywhere near 12GB being used in any DX12 game.  Maybe at 5K or higher it might start getting close.  But, for 4K and below resolutions - even with AA turned on, I just don't see the VRAM buffer getting saturated.  Conventional SLI seems to have no part in the whole scheme of things as the VRAM would be split anyway.  If you are referring to split graphics duties in DX12 with running an Nvidia SLI and a single AMD card, then the VRAM still would not run out as the dedicated functions as assigned by DX12 would allocate the resources accordingly.  If anything, the Nvidia SLI configuration with a mixed card solution would probably use less VRAM because the AMD would take over certain functionalities that are better optimized for that particular GPU architecture (i.e. asynchronous executions, high memory bandwidth requirements - thanks to HBM2, etc).
 
And with regards to your concerns regarding 2 x GTX1080s vs. a single Titan XP, I can tell you now that the game play is smoother when not using SLI.  At least for me.  I am very sensitive to microstutter and immediately notice it in any game that exhibits the issue when SLI is enabled.  I previously owned two GTX980Ti cards and that was one of the major drawbacks.  I upgraded to a single Titan XP and can tell you first hand that the gameplay is much smoother and I don't have to ever worry about enabling SLI.  Also, I am running a custom watercooling solution and my coolant temps dropped a full 10C vs. running the two GTX980Ti cards.  Another point to consider is cost.  Two regular air cooled GTX1080 cards will run you around $1400 vs. $1200 for a single Titan.  That's about a 20% difference.  Buy two baseline GTX1080s with no special heatsinks or coolers and the margin is almost even.  So, performance per dollar is that buying two GTX1080s would be a much better deal.  But actually, the real answer is "it depends".  It depends on what games you play and if you are willing to use more power and generate more heat for the 20-40% performance gain over a single Titan XP, and that's IF the games you play are optimized for SLI.  And then the argument of microstuttering comes into play and if you notice it or not when gaming.  My advice is ask yourself these questions:  1) what games do you play?, 2) are they optimized for SLI?, 3) are you sensitive to microstutter?, 4) what monitor (and resolution) do you use right now for gaming?, 5) is your current power supply adequate to power two GTX1080Ti cards?, 6) do you want to eventually watercool the cards? - That means double the cost for fittings and waterblocks.  You get the idea.
 
For my particular needs, a single Titan XP was the perfect choice based upon all of these questions I asked myself.  Your answer may be different and you may want 2 x GTX1080s instead.  In the end, we all win because each of us will have what we want and enjoy the games the way we want ;-)
 
 

cmoney408
he's referring to the fact that the idealized dx12 future stacks ram in SLI. so (2) 1080's would give you a total of 16gb's of USABLE VRam. 

This is exactly what I meant. Sorry if I was not clear. In looking at performance differences between 1080 sli and single Titan xp...there are so many factors to consider. Temp is a big one as iluv2raceit mentioned. But there's also the fact that many games don't support / are not optimized for sli, and most games aren't coded for dx12 yet. I'm hoping all of this changes soon. 2 hybrid 1080s are around $1450. Whether you use a gsync monitor or not also effects smoothness, as well as driver support. I've done my research, and it looks like when sli works, the 1080 sli beats out the Titan xp at 4k.

Interestingly enough, Titan xp 2 way sli versus 2 way 1080 sli shows almost no difference in performance at 4k (this was based off a head to head article from September). It was only at 5k where a difference was seen, which goes along with vram just not being utilized to show just how powerful the titans are in sli...i'm sure it will outperform it especially when hybrid titans become available.

With all that said, I think 2 hybrid 1080s is the better deal (once the software side of things catches up to the hardware potential). I'd hope that if you're spending $1.5k on video cards that you'd cool your system appropriately and use the best suited monitor to go with it so you don't get stuttering from throttling, etc. Otherwise, like you said both options are excellent choices for 4k in the grand scheme.

Edit: here is the article I was referring to, very interesting read.

http://www.pcworld.com/ar...y-decadant-in-sli.html

cmoney408
he's referring to the fact that the idealized dx12 future stacks ram in SLI. so (2) 1080's would give you a total of 16gb's of USABLE VRam. 

DX12 does not necessarily stack VRAM in every scenario.  It depends on the specific hardware configuration as well as how the game itself is coded.

Iluv2raceit
 
DX12 does not necessarily stack VRAM in every scenario.  It depends on the specific hardware configuration as well as how the game itself is coded.

thats why i said "idealized". in a perfect world one could be so lucky to have stacked ram! 
 
if i bought another 980ti hybrid it would only be because i got it at $300 or less. at a price i could nearly break even on in 6-8 months when the 1080ti comes out. 
 
i truly cant wait for finished VR. personally, i think we are still in the early stages. i probably wont invest in VR for at least 18 months, maybe even 2 years. i have usually been an early adopter, but after years of it. i have finally realized, its disappointing. im tired of paying for half finished products. i will most likely wait for Rev 2 or 3 products. better res, faster refresh rates, possible standards, and better prices.