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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:02:52 (permalink)
    It seems like a luck of the draw thing with those I swear
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:09:29 (permalink)
    Does this mean that the air cooled 3080 ti xc3 ultra will perform the same or worse?


     
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:17:06 (permalink)
    Are they failing?

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:31:37 (permalink)
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    It seems like a luck of the draw thing with those I swear

    Not really, they all suck, none of them can beat a stock 3080 Ti FE.
     
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    Does this mean that the air cooled 3080 ti xc3 ultra will perform the same or worse?

    Temperature has nothing to do with the terrible performance of these cards.
     
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    Are they failing?

    You should read the thread. The cards can't beat a Stock 3080 TI FE card even when the XC3 is overclocked.

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:39:25 (permalink)
    I was saying back in September not to buy the 2x8-pin version of the 3080 or above, due to a 375w theoretical max.  But this is a whole new level capping at 300w.  My 3080 Ti FTW3 is power starved running at a typical ~425w.  Meh.
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 13:52:49 (permalink)
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    Does this mean that the air cooled 3080 ti xc3 ultra will perform the same or worse?

    Temperature has nothing to do with the terrible performance of these cards.
     



    My point was not clear - does the air cooled X3 Ultra use the same PCB design as the HC? Will it be affected by the same power cap? Asking because I am close to getting it from the queue.
     


     
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 14:04:04 (permalink)
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    LFaWolf
    Does this mean that the air cooled 3080 ti xc3 ultra will perform the same or worse?

    Temperature has nothing to do with the terrible performance of these cards.
     



    My point was not clear - does the air cooled X3 Ultra use the same PCB design as the HC? Will it be affected by the same power cap? Asking because I am close to getting it from the queue.
     


    Yes the air cooled cards have the same issue. I have both the air cooled and Hydro Copper 3080 Ti XC3 cards
     
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    I was saying back in September not to buy the 2x8-pin version of the 3080 or above, due to a 375w theoretical max.  But this is a whole new level capping at 300w.  My 3080 Ti FTW3 is power starved running at a typical ~425w.  Meh.


    Average 300w if you're lucky. Some won't even hold 285w. The 3080 Ti FE card is basically a two 8 pin card, so I don't see that as the issue of how bad these cards are.
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 14:39:17 (permalink)
    3080ti xc3 gaming  -Mine has hit 359w from the board...not sure about the pci-e pins max power just yet. Overclocked it reaches 1445/1213
    vs 1365/1188 stock. Overclocked the Timespy gpu score is 19538.. Haven't benchmarked much been too damn buzy moving. But yeah I agree , these cards are not as great as I thought they'd be. I've decided on selling this one soon and going with an Asus card. Pic is hard to see so I posted a link..
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/DMMfcKfwt3yMZtBg9
     

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 14:45:45 (permalink)
    Do the 3070ti xc3 gaming also have this problem or is this hidden powerlimit only on the 3080ti xc3?
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 14:53:27 (permalink)
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    Do the 3070ti xc3 gaming also have this problem or is this hidden powerlimit only on the 3080ti xc3?


    I think its the power limit on all the 3000 series xc3's. Cant be sure though. The  EVGA 3070 TI 's Ive seen dont OVERclock as well and have higher thermals than most other AIB's 3070ti's I've seen.  
     
    Atleast my OC gpu score on my XC3 is slightly higher than some FE MODELS... I've scored 19550 / 19655 on other ocasions tweaking driver and nvidia control panel. The above picture I posted is with no tweaks... straight benchmark.
     
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 15:14:07 (permalink)
    My Hydro Copper's best score on Time Spy. Look at the pathetic average frame rate of 1745MHz and the card is only averaging 39°C.
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     


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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 16:13:46 (permalink)
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    My Hydro Copper's best score on Time Spy. Look at the pathetic average frame rate of 1745MHz and the card is only averaging 39°C.
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     



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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 16:32:01 (permalink)
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    I think its the power limit on all the 3000 series xc3's.



    So the difference between a stock 3070 and a stock 3070ti is about +8% in gaming ... but then evga gimped the 3070ti xc3 by 5%, which basically makes the ti no better than a normal 3070???
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 17:00:42 (permalink)
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    My Hydro Copper's best score on Time Spy. Look at the pathetic average frame rate of 1745MHz and the card is only averaging 39°C.
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     



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    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 17:31:54 (permalink)
     

    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?




    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem? 


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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 18:00:11 (permalink)
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    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem?

    This card is not falling where it should be. It can't even match a stock 3080 Ti FE card when you overclock the 3080 Ti XC3.
     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1136708
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    EVGA, your 3080 Ti XC3 cards sucks. Either call me a liar or explain how you intend to rectify this issue.
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 18:18:39 (permalink)
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    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem?

    This card is not falling where it should be. It can't even match a stock 3080 Ti FE card when you overclock the 3080 Ti XC3.
     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1136708
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    EVGA, your 3080 Ti XC3 cards sucks. Either call me a liar or explain how you intend to rectify this issue.


    Show us another review with a score that high for an FE card. I looked at 3 and they were all 700-1000 pts lower than your graph.

    https://www.tweaktown.com...l#Benchmarks-Synthetic

    https://www.guru3d.com/ar...edition_review,25.html

    https://www.overclockersc...founders_edition/3.htm
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 18:44:01 (permalink)
    I’d like to point out that, unless I’m mistaken, FE cards are not reference cards. They are Nvidia’s own spin on the model, and the reference blueprints are sent to AIBs to use. XC3 cards are based on reference specs unless, again, I’m mistaken.

    As far as issues go - the clocks and power consumption - I’m not seeing them as problems based on what people have been linking, whether it be 3DMark scores or pics. Now, I’m not claiming to be an expert on the matter, but this is my take on it given my own personal experience with GPUs, overclocking, and what I know of this line up of EVGA 3000 series cards. Tiers/prices exist for a reason: You pay for what you get. The FTW3 obviously outperforms the XC3. If you want better VRMs, a higher power limit, better functionality, and maybe a better-binned GPU, get a higher-tiered card.

     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 18:44:52 (permalink)
    You are within 1.6 % and pulling way less watts, AND YOUR Temperatures are fantastic !
    If you wanted to clock up a card why would you settle for the XC3? Acting like they Gimped the card is totally wrong, imho
    This time last year I was running a 2080 Super XC3 Ultra , ULTRA .... It would instantly crash on anything over +45 clock and 100+ mem, 
    I still fail to see how your card is not up to speed .
    Jay is a "FAN BOI" for good reason , They will always send him good samples , I still feel the expectation you have are misplaced. Ebay is still an option with many idiots willing to pay extra if you say it is no LHR and FULL SPEED , not many nerds on there to rebut your assumption.. j.s.


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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 18:48:12 (permalink)
    3080 FTW3 Hybrid warm, normal gaming OC:
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19421762
     
    3080 Ti FTW3 low-ish gaming OC:
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21348736
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:25:20 (permalink)
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    You are within 1.6 % and pulling way less watts, AND YOUR Temperatures are fantastic !
    If you wanted to clock up a card why would you settle for the XC3? Acting like they Gimped the card is totally wrong, imho
    This time last year I was running a 2080 Super XC3 Ultra , ULTRA .... It would instantly crash on anything over +45 clock and 100+ mem, 
    I still fail to see how your card is not up to speed .
    Jay is a "FAN BOI" for good reason , They will always send him good samples , I still feel the expectation you have are misplaced. Ebay is still an option with many idiots willing to pay extra if you say it is no LHR and FULL SPEED , not many nerds on there to rebut your assumption.. j.s.


    It's a Hydro Copper card and I have been water cooling since 2006, so yeah the temp is fantastic.
     
    Again, these cards are not performing as they should, they are been cut short on voltage. Look at the pathetic average FPS.
     
    Selling a crap card EVGA makes to someone on eBay is not the way to fix the issue and isn't cool. The issue needs to be fixed by EVGA.
     
    Also you're lack of Step-Up knowledge is showing. These cards are going back to EVGA, not to some person on eBay as I have more integrity then that.

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:26:43 (permalink)
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    3080 FTW3 Hybrid warm, normal gaming OC:
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19421762
     
    3080 Ti FTW3 low-ish gaming OC:
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21348736


    Yep, these cards are more like a 3080 Super then a 3080 Ti.

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:28:49 (permalink)
    I bought a 3080 FTW3 and it ran at 81 C My case was heating up my room , I got it in  November 2020 on Ebay 300+ $ more than MSRP and guess what, . plugged it in and it did a whapping 11234 on Port Royal and it pulled 382 watts , man was i underwhelmed - did I freak-out , probably internally,  but did EVGA need to be sued ? Negative, I found a great spot where this card could run and by the time I was done , I found  it could PR 11780 at less watts,  I knew it was not the right card for me and got a hybrid and sold it while it was still in demand and got My Hybrid on Ebay for MSRP NET on the resale of this card based on timing, had I waited 3 months I would have been able to get q KPE for free. Markets are funny that way. Prices are falling , get what you want because what you are saying is not lining up with reality. mho, 


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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:36:34 (permalink)
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    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem?

    This card is not falling where it should be. It can't even match a stock 3080 Ti FE card when you overclock the 3080 Ti XC3.
     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1136708
     
    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.
     

     
    EVGA, your 3080 Ti XC3 cards sucks. Either call me a liar or explain how you intend to rectify this issue.


    Show us another review with a score that high for an FE card. I looked at 3 and they were all 700-1000 pts lower than your graph.

    https://www.tweaktown.com...l#Benchmarks-Synthetic

    https://www.guru3d.com/ar...edition_review,25.html

    https://www.overclockersc...founders_edition/3.htm

    Overclock FE destroys my overclocked Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    What exactly were you trying to prove?

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:41:45 (permalink)
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    I’d like to point out that, unless I’m mistaken, FE cards are not reference cards. They are Nvidia’s own spin on the model, and the reference blueprints are sent to AIBs to use. XC3 cards are based on reference specs unless, again, I’m mistaken.

    As far as issues go - the clocks and power consumption - I’m not seeing them as problems based on what people have been linking, whether it be 3DMark scores or pics. Now, I’m not claiming to be an expert on the matter, but this is my take on it given my own personal experience with GPUs, overclocking, and what I know of this line up of EVGA 3000 series cards. Tiers/prices exist for a reason: You pay for what you get. The FTW3 obviously outperforms the XC3. If you want better VRMs, a higher power limit, better functionality, and maybe a better-binned GPU, get a higher-tiered card.


    Yup, exactly right.
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:42:29 (permalink)
    3080 FTW3 Hybrid with 'good cooling'.....
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955
     
    2080 Ti Hybrid gaming OC:
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13846816
     
    That's a reference 2080 Ti. Any A-chip 2080 Ti ref card can take a FTW3 or Galax bios plus a Kraken AIO kit, ~$100, and be 13% behind Kram's waterblocked 3080 Ti.  Something is wrong here.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/07/24 19:57:00
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:44:32 (permalink)
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    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem?

    This card is not falling where it should be. It can't even match a stock 3080 Ti FE card when you overclock the 3080 Ti XC3.

    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper

    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694

    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.



    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper

    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1136708

    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.



    EVGA, your 3080 Ti XC3 cards sucks. Either call me a liar or explain how you intend to rectify this issue.


    Show us another review with a score that high for an FE card. I looked at 3 and they were all 700-1000 pts lower than your graph.

    https://www.tweaktown.com...l#Benchmarks-Synthetic

    https://www.guru3d.com/ar...edition_review,25.html

    https://www.overclockersc...founders_edition/3.htm

    Overclock FE destroys my overclocked Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    What exactly were you trying to prove?


    That you're cherry picking results if you want me to be more blunt.
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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:45:44 (permalink)
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    kram36
    How does that solve the issue of EVGA selling people gimped 3080 Ti XC3 cards?

    From what you have posted for benchmarks, this card falls exactly about where it should be, its pulls 30w lass than a 3080 FTW3 and scored about 1000 points higher than that card , what exactly is the problem?

    This card is not falling where it should be. It can't even match a stock 3080 Ti FE card when you overclock the 3080 Ti XC3.

    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper

    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21648694

    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.



    Overclocked EVGA 3080 Ti XC3 Hydro Copper

    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1136708

    Stock Nvidia 3080 Ti FE score.



    EVGA, your 3080 Ti XC3 cards sucks. Either call me a liar or explain how you intend to rectify this issue.


    Show us another review with a score that high for an FE card. I looked at 3 and they were all 700-1000 pts lower than your graph.

    https://www.tweaktown.com...l#Benchmarks-Synthetic

    https://www.guru3d.com/ar...edition_review,25.html

    https://www.overclockersc...founders_edition/3.htm

    Overclock FE destroys my overclocked Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    Stock FE beats my overclock Hydro Copper.
     

     
    What exactly were you trying to prove?


    That you're cherry picking results if you want me to be more blunt.

    I just proved EVGA's 3080 Ti XC3 cards are junk with your own links.

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    Re: Dear EVGA, Your 3080 Ti XC3 Cards Suck. 2021/07/24 19:48:36 (permalink)
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    3080 FTW3 Hybrid with 'good cooling'.....
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955


    Oh nice, rub it in even more. 3080 whipping the snot out of a overclocked 3080 Ti Hydro Copper card.
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/16605955/spy/21648694

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