kram36

kevinc313
3080 FTW3 Hybrid with 'good cooling'.....
 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955

Oh nice, rub it in even more. 3080 whipping the snot out of a overclocked 3080 Ti Hydro Copper card.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/16605955/spy/21648694

Yeah sorry buddy.  Went back and edited the post, 2080 Ti Hybrid is only 13% behind your card.  Clearly these cards are dogs and you are justified being mad about it.

kevinc313

kram36

kevinc313
3080 FTW3 Hybrid with 'good cooling'.....
 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/16605955

Oh nice, rub it in even more. 3080 whipping the snot out of a overclocked 3080 Ti Hydro Copper card.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/16605955/spy/21648694

Yeah sorry buddy.  Went back and edited the post, 2080 Ti Hybrid is only 13% behind your card.  Clearly these cards are dogs.

Dogs is putting it nicely. These cards don't deserve to have the 3080 Ti name attached to them.

ObscureEmpyre
Honestly, I would love to get my hands on an XC3 3080 Ti just to experiment with at this point. There’s conflicting data all over these forums, but everything I’m seeing still meets EVGA’s listed specs. Also, out of sheer curiosity, I’ve been benchmarking my FTW3 3080 Ti against JayzTwoCents’ scores in his review of the card, and mine outperforms his (sightly) at stock settings for every benchmark. This is partly why I’d like to try my hand at an XC3 card. Why? I’m just one of those guys who likes to verify things himself. That’s all.

Does your CPU and RAM config match his as well?

schulmaster

ObscureEmpyre
Honestly, I would love to get my hands on an XC3 3080 Ti just to experiment with at this point. There’s conflicting data all over these forums, but everything I’m seeing still meets EVGA’s listed specs. Also, out of sheer curiosity, I’ve been benchmarking my FTW3 3080 Ti against JayzTwoCents’ scores in his review of the card, and mine outperforms his (sightly) at stock settings for every benchmark. This is partly why I’d like to try my hand at an XC3 card. Why? I’m just one of those guys who likes to verify things himself. That’s all.

Does your CPU and RAM config match his as well?

That's what I'm wondering about. What CPU/RAM does his test bench feature? My system has a 9900K, OC'd to 5 GHz for daily use (5.2-5.3 for top personal scores), and 32 GB of 3600 RAM. Regardless, my 3080 Ti FTW3 seems on par with Jay's given either a margin of error or that I have a slightly better-binned GPU. I'm talking about a 1.15% increase over his Port Royal GPU subscore, for example (13,478 vs. mine at 13,635). I believe Jay's test bench when it comes to these scores is meant to be what an average user/gamer might have in their rig. Personally, I don't think a 9900K is an average CPU. I'm willing to bet that the 9700K or even 9600K was more or less the average user's CPU from Intel's 9th gen CPU lineup.

ObscureEmpyre

kram36

ObscureEmpyre
Honestly, I would love to get my hands on an XC3 3080 Ti just to experiment with at this point. There’s conflicting data all over these forums, but everything I’m seeing still meets EVGA’s listed specs. Also, out of sheer curiosity, I’ve been benchmarking my FTW3 3080 Ti against JayzTwoCents’ scores in his review of the card, and mine outperforms his (sightly) at stock settings for every benchmark. This is partly why I’d like to try my hand at an XC3 card. Why? I’m just one of those guys who likes to verify things himself. That’s all.

They are not performing within spec. They don't get anywhere near the 350W in EVGA's specs. This leads to the card having a terrible FPS from it's low average clock speed.

The only program/benchmark that's maxed out my 3080 Ti FTW3's power is Kombuster. Everything else that's load-heavy gets close at around 430w, even though my GPU may show as being 99-100% utilized per RivaTuner with HWiNFO OSD. What are you using for benchmarking or stress testing? I know you're in the U.S. Too bad we don't live next door. I would honestly love to test your card. Not for doubting you, but because I enjoy the scientific method.

Buy one, see what it feels like to spend $1,300 on a piece of crap card. Or you can get screwed worse and buy the Hydro Copper card that will take $1,500 out of your pocket. It's an f'ing gut punch what EVGA has done.

So would a 3080 Ti FTW Hybrid be a bad buy?

random_matt
So would a 3080 Ti FTW Hybrid be a bad buy?

Eh, I'd much rather have a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid or Kingpin for the extra money.  Due to the higher power limit, resale value from no mining nerf, SLI (yes I know SLI ded), more memory.  Some people are getting pretty good results with the 3080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid, but it would run a whole lot better if it had a 500w bios and the power balancing to use it.  Due to the limp 3rd 8-pin power draw which seems to be intentional, this isn't going happen and the cards won't run above 425w most of the time.  I can keep my Ultra at 70C with max power, so with a hybrid and ~55C temps it might do 35-45mhz higher clocks, nice but not huge.  The best buy card in the entire line is the 3080 FTW3 Hybrid, getting one from ebay for ~$1500 would even be reasonable.

kevinc313
So on totally stock settings, does the average core clock stay above the specified "1725 mhz Boost Clock" under 4K RTX gaming load with normal temps?  If not I'd say that's grounds to return it.

Stock runs. The higher score was before letting XP1 update the firmware. The firmware update scoring lower (not by much) was present even when overclocking.
 
Stock Hydro Copper on Time Spy
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/21648387/spy/21649106#
 
Stock Hydro Copper on Port Royal
 
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1136681/pr/1136756#
 
Overclocked Hybrid Card on Port Royal
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1134063

tyranus7
@kram36 are this numbers more or less what you have researched for the xc3 performance?
 
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
 

Their card performs a bit better then both my XC3 cards, but they have a pre production card. Also them saying the card boost to 1925MHz stock and overclocked to 2175MHz, yes my cards will hit that right at the start of a benchmark as you can see that in my links. However the card does not hold those clock speeds as evident in the average clock speed because the power given to the GPU can not keep the clock speeds that high. Both my cards average 300w, not the EVGA advertised 350w. Look at how low the temps are on my Hydro Copper and Hybrid card, which again shows these cards are not getting much power.
 
EDIT: Actually neither of my cards will hit 2175MHz at the start of a run, they hit 2115Mhz.

kram36

tyranus7
@kram36 are this numbers more or less what you have researched for the xc3 performance?
 
https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-review?page=3
 

Both my cards average 300w, not the EVGA advertised 350w. Look at how low the temps are on my Hydro Copper and Hybrid card, which again shows these cards are not getting much power.

This certainly is an issue, it might have the wattage limiter bios flashed in this GPU. I think EVGA needs to release a bios for these GPUs to perform as advertised.  This will avoid more upsetting customers.
EVGA have released bios for other versions, it shouldn't be a difference with this one.

stevetb77
Gee, this has me not feeling so great about the 3090 XC3 Hydro Copper I have sitting in a box.  Maybe I will wait for FTW3 HC or KP.. maybe.
There's like zero reviews for this card on the interwebs.  Maybe I will make a thread to try to get some opinions from folks who own it.
 

I say give the card a try. After all, you could be waiting a while for the other cards you mentioned.

Have you actually tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?  Maybe you just have bad card?  mine hits 348W in most demanding games like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Battlefield 5 without any overclocking or messing with any settings except the fan curve.  It also stays very cool 69-72 under full load and this is the XC3 base model

kongfra
Have you actually tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?  Maybe you just have bad card?

There seems to be many bad cards. Should everyone RMA their card at their own expense and hope the replacement performs as expected, or should EVGA be made aware of the issue and consider providing some other software fix which won't incur down-time and shipping costs?

mine hits 348W in most demanding games like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Battlefield 5 without any overclocking or messing with any settings except the fan curve.  It also stays very cool 69-72 under full load and this is the XC3 base model

Good for you. You got a good card. You are one of a few who has reported such.

It's hit and miss and comes down to component manufacturing tolerances.

ty_ger07

kongfra
Have you actually tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?  Maybe you just have bad card?

There seems to be many bad cards. Should everyone RMA their card at their own expense and hope the replacement performs as expected, or should EVGA be made aware of the issue and provide some other fix?

mine hits 348W in most demanding games like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Battlefield 5 without any overclocking or messing with any settings except the fan curve.  It also stays very cool 69-72 under full load and this is the XC3 base model

Good for you. You got a good card. You are one of a few who has reported such.

It's hit and miss and comes down to component manufacturing tolerances.

 
What I am saying is if the card is not within spec has anyone tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?

kongfra

ty_ger07

kongfra
Have you actually tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?  Maybe you just have bad card?

There seems to be many bad cards. Should everyone RMA their card at their own expense and hope the replacement performs as expected, or should EVGA be made aware of the issue and provide some other fix?

mine hits 348W in most demanding games like Red Dead Redemption 2 and Battlefield 5 without any overclocking or messing with any settings except the fan curve.  It also stays very cool 69-72 under full load and this is the XC3 base model

Good for you. You got a good card. You are one of a few who has reported such.

It's hit and miss and comes down to component manufacturing tolerances.

 
What I am saying is if the card is not within spec has anyone tried to RMA and see what EVGA says?

I understand, but consider the cost and ramifications.