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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:03:14 (permalink)
Thanks ty_ger07. Point taken. And yes, I would contact EVGA about this if I needed to. I guess I shouldn't have posted, it contains no new info. I just wanted to add a bit of light heartedness to the thread. That's all.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:33:19 (permalink)
you didn't prove anything other than the fact you don't have any idea how device enumeration works.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:35:02 (permalink)
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you didn't prove anything.

Ha! Ok. You're not going to give up about it, are you? I proved what you said was impossible was indeed possible. Proved.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:40:46 (permalink)
ty_ger07it is clear that a mistake/bug in the update process could easily cause unwanted side effects.



The rom has  specific formats with specific locations for data points, every  bios on every card is provided by NVIDIA, and adjusted with tools that edit only those points.
 
There is no potential for side effects and if binary data were patched badly, the card would brick. not stop boosting.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:50:15 (permalink)
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ty_ger07it is clear that a mistake/bug in the update process could easily cause unwanted side effects.



The rom has  specific formats with specific locations for data points, every  bios on every card is provided by NVIDIA, and adjusted with tools that edit only those points.
 
There is no potential for side effects and if binary data were patched badly, the card would brick. not stop boosting.

That is not logical. Making random changes to any specific location will result in a multitude of different outcomes.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 08:58:30 (permalink)
bios roms have been able to have items added and remove on a modular basis via patches for decades, there is nothing random about it.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:12:22 (permalink)
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bios roms have been able to have items added and remove on a modular basis via patches for decades, there is nothing random about it.

Phhhffff! You are hopeless. I can't live in your idealistic world.

For the rest of the community, if you believe that this firmware update has caused you issues, I would advise that you consider flashing your video card BIOS back to its original version. You can receive an official BIOS from EVGA by contacting EVGA support and providing them your video card's model and serial number.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:21:39 (permalink)
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squall-leonhart is a developer who lives in an ideal world where software is perfect and only does exactly what you expect it to do. Without concrete evidence, you will not change his beliefs.

If you believe that there is an issue with your video card's BIOS after applying this update, contact EVGA.
https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/



Heh Heh, yes, I tend to agree. But after many years of reading posts, mainly in NV forum (differnt name there) I don't recall a single time he was wrong. I never brush off his comments.
He is not particularly popular at NV due to short, to the point comments (which are correct.) Niceties play no role in his life. Facts all the way. 
I consider him an expert. But he would be an awful teacher. That requires a wee bit of patience, and even a bit of hand holding at first for complex issues. I wonder if he knows about these concepts? Regardless, the outcome is the same post format. State the fact in as few words as possible (he is correct) but, no comments about why it's as it is. *(Usually, the post above is actually offers a proper reason)
So, I value his posts always. But if I don't understand underlying reasons, I check myself. Still, glad he is here. 
 
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I would rather have a teacher who would bash me over the head every single time I make a mistake than one who won't say I did anything wrong and hold my hand and cuddle me and say everything will be alright and not to worry and that the test is just wrong and I'm just smart in a different way and that the test has to be changed to reflect that. :)

 

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:36:26 (permalink)
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if you believe that this firmware update has caused you issues,



you're wrong and need to get a clue.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:43:54 (permalink)
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ty_ger07
if you believe that this firmware update has caused you issues,



you're wrong and need to get a clue.

I am wrong? Or the user "who believes..." is wrong? I certainly am not wrong.

Again, IF you BELIEVE (right or wrong, with or without evidence) that this firmware update from NVIDIA has caused an issue, ask EVGA for instructions on how you can revert your video card back to its previous state. EVGA will need to know your specific video card's model and serial number. https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:44:58 (permalink)
please stay on Subject
 
agree to disagree
 
I've seen plenty of times things do not work as intended by the MFG when updating code. 

Sometimes it is user error, other times a combination not considered during design & sometimes stuff just happens .....

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 09:55:13 (permalink)
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squall-leonhart is a developer who lives in an ideal world where software is perfect and only does exactly what you expect it to do. Without concrete evidence, you will not change his beliefs.

If you believe that there is an issue with your video card's BIOS after applying this update, contact EVGA.
https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/



Heh Heh, yes, I tend to agree. But after many years of reading posts, mainly in NV forum (differnt name there) I don't recall a single time he was wrong. I never brush off his comments.
He is not particularly popular at NV due to short, to the point comments (which are correct.) Niceties play no role in his life. Facts all the way. 
I consider him an expert. But he would be an awful teacher. That requires a wee bit of patience, and even a bit of hand holding at first for complex issues. I wonder if he knows about these concepts? Regardless, the outcome is the same post format. State the fact in as few words as possible (he is correct) but, no comments about why it's as it is. *(Usually, the post above is actually offers a proper reason)
So, I value his posts always. But if I don't understand underlying reasons, I check myself. Still, glad he is here. 
 
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I would rather have a teacher who would bash me over the head every single time I make a mistake than one who won't say I did anything wrong and hold my hand and cuddle me and say everything will be alright and not to worry and that the test is just wrong and I'm just smart in a different way and that the test has to be changed to reflect that. :)




Yes, I couldn't agree more! I didn't mean to create that impression. 

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 10:21:33 (permalink)
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Heh Heh, yes, I tend to agree. But after many years of reading posts, mainly in NV forum (differnt name there) I don't recall a single time he was wrong. I never brush off his comments.

Damn, that I didn't notice this before.
I should've recognised his signature because entering that forum is almost always a guaranteed hit to see posts of Sora.
 
You're a bit famous @squall-leonhart. 
But yeah lets keep it friendly in here and respect eachother, even if opinions don't align.
 
I'd not immediately say everything is an user error and that all patches are flawless, because no software (including firmware) is always perfect.
But squall-leonhart has dealt with so many people in the Nvidia forums, where a lot actually might not completely know what they are doing that I understand his battlehardened stances.
And I actually believe he has a lot of knowledge, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be open to learn from eachother.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 10:42:04 (permalink)
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Hi,
Thanks it still would be nice if we could get an official response from evga that they are testing these changes :)
Slave bios is already pretty bad as it is not sure i want to mess with master bios since I have no functional slave to fall back on.


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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 10:44:49 (permalink)
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I just updated this and now my EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING Black Edition does not go into boost at all.
 
Edit: Hitting boost clocks now, FPS is still trash in games.  Used to max out War Thunder with 75fps, now I am getting ~40-45. 
 
Edit 2:  If I change res to 1080p my FPS is maxed out again, if I run at 2560x1080 I get 40-45, before using this update I was getting 75 (max refresh).
 
Edit 3:  So my custom resolution 2560x1080 @ 75hz no longer gets stable FPS which I find strange, the monitor supports freesync and can be "OCed" in Nvidia panel, it worked fine before this fix.  2560x1080 @ 60hz runs maxed out in War Thunder all day long but once it's 75hz my FPS is in the trash. 


Might want to reflash your original vbios.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 16:55:52 (permalink)
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Heh Heh, yes, I tend to agree. But after many years of reading posts, mainly in NV forum (differnt name there) I don't recall a single time he was wrong. I never brush off his comments.

Damn, that I didn't notice this before.
I should've recognised his signature because entering that forum is almost always a guaranteed hit to see posts of Sora.
 
You're a bit famous @squall-leonhart. 
But yeah lets keep it friendly in here and respect eachother, even if opinions don't align.
 
I'd not immediately say everything is an user error and that all patches are flawless, because no software (including firmware) is always perfect.
But squall-leonhart has dealt with so many people in the Nvidia forums, where a lot actually might not completely know what they are doing that I understand his battlehardened stances.
And I actually believe he has a lot of knowledge, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be open to learn from eachother.




Ha! Yes, Sora it is. I was caught out a while ago by that. 
 
Good post, I agree with you. I'll also add that spending too much time in the NV forums is probably not good for ones health.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/08 21:32:46 (permalink)
The reason it is not possible for this update of the gop block to affect anything else is because the bios rom is a defined container format, subsisting of a collection of modules.
 
The regions are self contained and extractable with the correct tools,  just like with any mainboard bios and its option rom or microcode blocks
 
it is not a randomly generated binary spat out of an assembler (though modules within the rom are another matter.)
 
The updater dumps the vbios, mounts the file and then replaces the gop module, saves it to nvidia vbios format and flashes it back, not unlike AMI's option rom and microcode insertion utilities.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/09 05:01:49 (permalink)
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Hi,
Thanks it still would be nice if we could get an official response from evga that they are testing these changes :)
Slave bios is already pretty bad as it is not sure i want to mess with master bios since I have no functional slave to fall back on.


You can reflash the slave vbios by moving the vbios selector switch on the card to the slave position while inside windows. To reflash the card you'll need to use the latest version of nvflash. You can download a good copy of the 1080 ti ftw3 slave vbios here.


Hi,
Thank you that does look like 6696's slave
I already did this for the heck of it think it would have to be redone
https://forums.evga.com/1080-TI-FTW3-watercooled-Slave-BIOS-doesnt-go-over-117-Issue-has-been-fixed-see-op-m2693145.aspx
 
For the record I didn't get offended... by squall-leonhart
Very good of him to post all of the info on what exactly the firmware update does
Still not sure what it does to older displays but looks like nothing just adds more goodies for newest.
Still going to sit tight
I never chase newest NVidia drivers anyway.
Got an okay 8k bump on slave bios after but no improvement on other tests :/
 
 

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/09 07:02:58 (permalink)
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The reason it is not possible for this update of the gop block to affect anything else is because the bios rom is a defined container format, subsisting of a collection of modules.
 
The regions are self contained and extractable with the correct tools,  just like with any mainboard bios and its option rom or microcode blocks
 
it is not a randomly generated binary spat out of an assembler (though modules within the rom are another matter.)
 
The updater dumps the vbios, mounts the file and then replaces the gop module, saves it to nvidia vbios format and flashes it back, not unlike AMI's option rom and microcode insertion utilities.

Any time you perform an operation, there is the possibility of error or corruption. Corruption and error is certainly not predefined in my opinion, therefore I used the term random. "Randomly" swapping any individual bit will not result in only one possible outcome. Therefore, IF you BELIEVE that the firmware update process caused the video card to misbehave in any way, I would recommend reverting back to the stock BIOS by obtaining the stock BIOS file and instructions directly from EVGA.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/09 14:24:50 (permalink)
I think the best line particular to this thread was by @Cool GTX. He said, " sometimes stuff just happens ....."
 
As to the main issue I can't take sides. This kind of advanced stuff is beyond most people who are not in the development business,  or studied a lot. I think. I am glad my DP is vs. 1.2 - I'm not affected....am I???

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/10 11:06:55 (permalink)
As my two month old new monitor only has DisplayPort 1.2a and have not seen any blips or unresponsiveness I too are of the same frame of mind of  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/20 14:02:59 (permalink)
seeing my monitor is DVI, and HDTV/UHDTV are HDMI i guess i can hold off on this, I do remember that when I had 2 DVI hooked up on my  660gtx 1 via DVI another via dvi to rbb connection if my HDTV was connect I got no image on my Monitor till it got in windows, but seeing 1060gtx and setup 1070ti I got I only has only has 1 DVI and 1 HDMI  but 3dp I was pretty much forced to go to DVI for Monitor and HDMI for HDTV so the no post screen on my monitor when  HDTV was connect is no longer a issue,  just the  stupid issue about FULL RGB not getting defaulted on the HDMI HDTV. Gona be replacing my LN32a550 HDTV with NU7100 43 inch
 
 
I have not had access to my pc in over month as such I forgot about this. in 4 days I will be down at new house in NC where my PC is. I miss my pc I been play alot of Final fantasy Exvius on my iphone. would love if SQE made FF game like this on consoles again. this is first FF in very long time I seen play like old school FF game.
 
As of the squabbling going on I am perfectly aware of who squall-leonhart and Sora  they guy knows his stuff... how they handle other people that "disagree"  with em is another matter.
 
 
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/20 14:29:29 (permalink)
Can someone please answer this question? I want to update as when I ran the NVIDIA FW software it said update required. I don't own a secondary monitor. Is all the below outlined instructions needed in order to this firmware update? Can you just simply boot from HDMI from one of the 1080 Ti's and perform the fw update?
  • Boot using DVI or HDMI
  • Boot using a different monitor
  • Change boot mode from UEFI to Legacy; or Legacy to UEFI.
  • Boot using an alternate graphics source (secondary or integrated graphics card)
I have 1080 Ti FTW3 in SLI. Has anyone just did the update without said outlined instructions above and just went for the update without any problems? It sure seems to be a lot of work around just to do firmware update. Will each card have to be firmware updated separately?
What would be the best approach to update both of my graphics cards? I own an Acer Predator X34. It offers DP and HDMI support. 
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/20 17:41:15 (permalink)
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Can someone please answer this question? I want to update as when I ran the NVIDIA FW software it said update required. I don't own a secondary monitor. Is all the below outlined instructions needed in order to this firmware update? Can you just simply boot from HDMI from one of the 1080 Ti's and perform the fw update?
  • Boot using DVI or HDMI
  • Boot using a different monitor
  • Change boot mode from UEFI to Legacy; or Legacy to UEFI.
  • Boot using an alternate graphics source (secondary or integrated graphics card)
I have 1080 Ti FTW3 in SLI. Has anyone just did the update without said outlined instructions above and just went for the update without any problems? It sure seems to be a lot of work around just to do firmware update. Will each card have to be firmware updated separately?
What would be the best approach to update both of my graphics cards? I own an Acer Predator X34. It offers DP and HDMI support. 


If you are currently experiencing a blank screen or hang on boot with a DP 1.3 or 1.4 monitor, please try one of the following workarounds in order to run the tool:
  • Boot using DVI or HDMI
  • Boot using a different monitor
  • Change boot mode from UEFI to Legacy; or Legacy to UEFI.
  • Boot using an alternate graphics source (secondary or integrated graphics card)
Once you have the tool downloaded, please run the tool and follow the on-screen instructions.
 
Just click update, and let it do its job.
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/20 20:25:36 (permalink)
Good as gold now mates. I just clicked update and the fw flashed both DP at the same time in SLI mode. I'm so glad I could pass on all that other outlined work around BS set of instructions.
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/22 22:37:02 (permalink)
Just a quick heads up if your running DP v1.2 you can do this update without any of the work arounds. Everything else applies if your connected to a DisplayPort 1.3 / 1.4 monitor. I'm future proof for DP and 1.4 Monitors with my EVGA 1080 Ti's now.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/23 07:20:02 (permalink)
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Just a quick heads up if your running DP v1.2 you can do this update without any of the work arounds.

What are you talking about? What workarounds? Those other steps are ideas of how to see something on your monitor, only for people who never got their DP monitor to work previously.

If you are currently experiencing a blank screen or hang on boot with a DP 1.3 or 1.4 monitor, please try one of the following workarounds in order to run the tool:

Anyone who can see something will not need to ever perform those steps.

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/23 20:49:51 (permalink)
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Just a quick heads up if your running DP v1.2 you can do this update without any of the work arounds.

What are you talking about? What workarounds? Those other steps are ideas of how to see something on your monitor, only for people who never got their DP monitor to work previously.

If you are currently experiencing a blank screen or hang on boot with a DP 1.3 or 1.4 monitor, please try one of the following workarounds in order to run the tool:

Anyone who can see something will not need to ever perform those steps.


I beg to defer. Has outlined, if your running DP v1.2 You can upgrade with the NV FW with a couple of simple clicks in SLI or none SLI mode even in DP mode connected to my Acer Predator X34  I know because I did this last week. You only need the work arounds if your connected to a DisplayPort 1.3 / 1.4 monitor. I am not there for I win here... HA! HA! HA! :D

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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/23 21:06:05 (permalink)
Yes, exactly what is written in bold 3 times in this thread.

Figuratively:

"Workaround: if you live on the moon, you will have to catch a spaceship to earth to view the Seattle Space Needle up close."

Me: "I disagree because I live on earth and didn't need to get on a space ship to fly to earth."

Doi?!

Is something being lost in translation?

You didn't do exactly what they told you that you didn't need to do. In other words, you did exactly what you needed to do. You run the program and that's it! Only people with bigger issues need to perform a workaround.
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Re: DP 1.3/1.4 FW updates? 2018/06/24 11:45:12 (permalink)
I noted this was followed up with my own overview.   (TOS removed)
 
 
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