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Edit: Confirmed,.. the Corsair CMT32GX5M2X6200C36 Modules use SK Hynix IC's.  the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
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Yes both the Corsair 6200, 6400MHz kits should be Hynix IC's,..
the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
You figure we can get these to 6600 C36 ? Definitely pricier here in Canada...was $619 CDN w Tax $705 (free shipping).
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Yes both the Corsair 6200, 6400MHz kits should be Hynix IC's,..
the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
You figure we can get these to 6600 C36 ?
Definitely pricier here in Canada...was $619 CDN w Tax $705 (free shipping).
..or conversely, after reading that review maybe try for tighter timings. ( link) ..or better yet - higher clocks and tighter timings. 
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The difficulty finding DDR5 for near MSRP is a big reason I am holding off upgrading for a bit. It kind of seems like the best bang for the buck is to put the extra markup cost of DDR5 into a better DDR4 based build right now. Of course this is based on availability that can change rapidly. I would recommend seeing what you can find in stock before deciding the upgrade path that you will be happiest with.
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The difficulty finding DDR5 for near MSRP is a big reason I am holding off upgrading for a bit. It kind of seems like the best bang for the buck is to put the extra markup cost of DDR5 into a better DDR4 based build right now. Of course this is based on availability that can change rapidly. I would recommend seeing what you can find in stock before deciding the upgrade path that you will be happiest with.
You can stop waiting.. see post from a few hours back: Available right now on Corsair.com 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6200MHz C36 ( link) ..still available right now (booked, so very soon).
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Yes both the Corsair 6200, 6400MHz kits should be Hynix IC's,..
the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
You figure we can get these to 6600 C36 ?
Definitely pricier here in Canada...was $619 CDN w Tax $705 (free shipping).
..or conversely, after reading that review maybe try for tighter timings. (link)
..or better yet - higher clocks and tighter timings.
Exactly,.. what you want is tighter timings, higher clocks with stability. Your odds of being stable after booting Windows even in XMP 1 @ 6200MHz are much better with the Corsair 6200MHz kit than overclocking lower MHz kits with standard PMIC, PCB. And how far you can OC the Corsair 6200MHz kit or reaching 6600MHz with tight timings will depend on your CPU IMC quality, motherboard memory trace layout, BIOS/Microcode your running. G.SKILL just released a 6400MHz CL32 kit overseas yesterday.   I will be happy if my system boots Windows with the Corsair kit @ 6200MHz XMP 1, and is stable.  Than will see what shakes out going higher.
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I've always found Corsair Dominators solid at XMP - in fact, in all the years I've been using them, I've never had any Dominators that have not run at XMP flawlessly straight from the word go every time. G.Skill not so much unfortunately - there recently was a set of 5333MHz DDR4 sticks that 3 forum members tried (myself included) and none of us could get them to post at XMP. I think 5100MHz was the best any of us got. One member purchased a second set and had the same issues. The G.Skill 4800MHz were fine though.
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I've always found Corsair Dominators solid at XMP - in fact, in all the years I've been using them, I've never had any Dominators that have not run at XMP flawlessly straight from the word go every time. G.Skill not so much unfortunately - there recently was a set of 5333MHz DDR4 sticks that 3 forum members tried (myself included) and none of us could get them to post at XMP. I think 5100MHz was the best any of us got. One member purchased a second set and had the same issues. The G.Skill 4800MHz were fine though.
This story sounds familiar (lol). To be fair to the memory, I still think its possible the 11900k IMCs were just not great 90% of the time. I think mine seems pretty good, but my FTW motherboard was only ever spec'd up to 5100MHz, probably because it has 4 slots and they couldn't route the traces well enough to make it stable higher. I got it to boot at and run benchmarks at 5100, but it wasn't stable long-term. 5066 was stable, but benchmarks weren't much better than my 3733MHz gear 1 testing (much worse latency). If I had this CPU and a Dark motherboard, maybe I could have gotten to 5333. I'm not saying "i'm sure!", I'm just saying I think it is plausible. I don't know how 12900k has been (I haven't seen too many test results as most people are still trying to get DDR5 without cutting off a pinky for it), but 11900k was like you had to win the lottery 3 times. You had to have a CPU with an excellent quality IMC, a motherboard that could tickle that CPU's voltages just right to get it to play nice AND have the memory layout capability of running higher clocks, as well as memory that played nice with the other two. It was the same battle whether you were aiming for higher-end gear-1 clocks, or flat-out gear-2 clocks. Sorry, this rant not being that I think you're wrong, but that I was not really convinced it was the memory's fault it couldn't run the XMP profile. That situation did make the memory pretty useless though. Even at 5100, the XMP profile timings were not good, so it didn't perform very well. I had a lot going on, so I didn't spend the time trying to tighten timings though; that was on me. Edit: I went back and found some screenshots I took, added a link, and cleaned up some of my foggy memory on the topic after seeing the screenshots lol
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The difficulty finding DDR5 for near MSRP is a big reason I am holding off upgrading for a bit. It kind of seems like the best bang for the buck is to put the extra markup cost of DDR5 into a better DDR4 based build right now. Of course this is based on availability that can change rapidly. I would recommend seeing what you can find in stock before deciding the upgrade path that you will be happiest with.
You can stop waiting.. see post from a few hours back:
Available right now on Corsair.com 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6200MHz C36 (link)
..still available right now (booked, so very soon).
I have this kit running perfectly at XMP on my ASUS z690 APEX. GET it!!
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I've always found Corsair Dominators solid at XMP - in fact, in all the years I've been using them, I've never had any Dominators that have not run at XMP flawlessly straight from the word go every time. G.Skill not so much unfortunately - there recently was a set of 5333MHz DDR4 sticks that 3 forum members tried (myself included) and none of us could get them to post at XMP. I think 5100MHz was the best any of us got. One member purchased a second set and had the same issues. The G.Skill 4800MHz were fine though.
This story sounds familiar (lol). To be fair to the memory, I still think its possible the 11900k IMCs were just not great 90% of the time. I think mine seems pretty good, but my FTW motherboard was only ever spec'd up to 5100MHz, probably because it has 4 slots and they couldn't route the traces well enough to make it stable higher. I got it to boot at and run benchmarks at 5100, but it wasn't stable long-term. 5066 was stable, but benchmarks weren't much better than my 3733MHz gear 1 testing (much worse latency). If I had this CPU and a Dark motherboard, maybe I could have gotten to 5333. I'm not saying "i'm sure!", I'm just saying I think it is plausible. I don't know how 12900k has been (I haven't seen too many test results as most people are still trying to get DDR5 without cutting off a pinky for it), but 11900k was like you had to win the lottery 3 times. You had to have a CPU with an excellent quality IMC, a motherboard that could tickle that CPU's voltages just right to get it to play nice AND have the memory layout capability of running higher clocks, as well as memory that played nice with the other two. It was the same battle whether you were aiming for higher-end gear-1 clocks, or flat-out gear-2 clocks.
Sorry, this rant not being that I think you're wrong, but that I was not really convinced it was the memory's fault it couldn't run the XMP profile. That situation did make the memory pretty useless though. Even at 5100, the XMP profile timings were not good, so it didn't perform very well. I had a lot going on, so I didn't spend the time trying to tighten timings though; that was on me.
Edit: I went back and found some screenshots I took, added a link, and cleaned up some of my foggy memory on the topic after seeing the screenshots lol
yup B0baganoosh was one of the three. All true what you posted - maybe not the fault of the 5333MHz ram, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. My 11900K runs stable (albeit hot) with 5.3GHz on all cores, if that's any indication. I have the Z590 Dark as well - could not get that RAM to post anywhere near 5333MHz unfortunately, even with upping the voltage and I think with trying loosening the timings. Just a big nope. We tried though!
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The difficulty finding DDR5 for near MSRP is a big reason I am holding off upgrading for a bit. It kind of seems like the best bang for the buck is to put the extra markup cost of DDR5 into a better DDR4 based build right now. Of course this is based on availability that can change rapidly. I would recommend seeing what you can find in stock before deciding the upgrade path that you will be happiest with.
You can stop waiting.. see post from a few hours back:
Available right now on Corsair.com 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6200MHz C36 (link)
..still available right now (booked, so very soon).
I have this kit running perfectly at XMP on my ASUS z690 APEX. GET it!!
Good to hear, thanks! I've ordered the 6200MHz C36, and I also purchased the 5600MHz C36 at a slight 7% markup a few weeks ago because I thought I'd never see the 6200MHz available, so I'll test both sets and then sell one of them.
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Where does that data come from about Samsung and Hynix? Just curious as I haven't been into the build scene for a while and am in the process of building right now and looking for DDR5.
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yup B0baganoosh was one of the three.
All true what you posted - maybe not the fault of the 5333MHz ram, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. My 11900K runs stable (albeit hot) with 5.3GHz on all cores, if that's any indication. I have the Z590 Dark as well - could not get that RAM to post anywhere near 5333MHz unfortunately, even with upping the voltage and I think with trying loosening the timings. Just a big nope. We tried though!
As far as I could tell, the IMC capability and core capabilities were totally separate. A 4th lottery I guess. For example, I know one person I was trying to help needed 1.611V to hit 5.2GHz-all-core in the OC Robot and it was HOT. Mine only hits about 1.46V at 5.2GHz all-core in the OC-Robot. I believe he also ran 3600MHz gear 1 with no issues though and some people couldn't get that high. So his cores were horrible, but IMC seemed fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ indeed. I'm hoping for everyone running 12900k that it has been/will be easier to win all the lotteries lol
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Where does that data come from about Samsung and Hynix? Just curious as I haven't been into the build scene for a while and am in the process of building right now and looking for DDR5.
you can see the chip manufacturer on the SPD tab in CPU-Z. part of the mystery of new memory launches is figuring out what correlation, if any, the part numbers have to the IC's in each kit.
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yup B0baganoosh was one of the three.
All true what you posted - maybe not the fault of the 5333MHz ram, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. My 11900K runs stable (albeit hot) with 5.3GHz on all cores, if that's any indication. I have the Z590 Dark as well - could not get that RAM to post anywhere near 5333MHz unfortunately, even with upping the voltage and I think with trying loosening the timings. Just a big nope. We tried though!
As far as I could tell, the IMC capability and core capabilities were totally separate. A 4th lottery I guess. For example, I know one person I was trying to help needed 1.611V to hit 5.2GHz-all-core in the OC Robot and it was HOT. Mine only hits about 1.46V at 5.2GHz all-core in the OC-Robot. I believe he also ran 3600MHz gear 1 with no issues though and some people couldn't get that high. So his cores were horrible, but IMC seemed fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ indeed. I'm hoping for everyone running 12900k that it has been/will be easier to win all the lotteries lol
Yeah lottery - kind of like GPU clocks and GPU mem clocks can be wildly different - my 3090 mem wont go over +1000, but GPU clock will do +210 stable. My 11900K was 1.531V for 5.3MHz on all cores, pulling 230W on full load. I grabbed a screenshot from my AIDA64 display at the time, but it hadn't built up a full head of steam yet - it got hotter: 
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Yes both the Corsair 6200, 6400MHz kits should be Hynix IC's,..
the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
You figure we can get these to 6600 C36 ?
Definitely pricier here in Canada...was $619 CDN w Tax $705 (free shipping).
While your waiting for the new memory kit to arrive, you should update your Microcode. If your still running BIOS 0811, than your running microcode 15.  You want to be running Microcode 18,.. is current version with the new Intel Memory profiles for your CPU IMC.  1101.CAP is the newest Apex Z690 BIOS version with Microcode 18, and also the Official SLI key finally. Just released 8 hours ago. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fugj6x5s63lu7pr/ROG-MAXIMUS-Z690-APEX-ASUS-1101.rar?dl=0 Save your 0811 version, load new 1101 on BIOS 2,.. and you should have no issues running 6600MHz. 
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Yes both the Corsair 6200, 6400MHz kits should be Hynix IC's,..
the 10-Layer PCB with Extreme OC PMIC is key for high MHz, tight timings with stability.
You figure we can get these to 6600 C36 ?
Definitely pricier here in Canada...was $619 CDN w Tax $705 (free shipping).
While your waiting for the new memory kit to arrive, you should update your Microcode.
If your still running BIOS 0811, than your running microcode 15.
You want to be running Microcode 18,.. is current version with the new Intel Memory profiles for your CPU IMC.
1101.CAP is the newest Apex Z690 BIOS version with Microcode 18, and also the Official SLI key finally. Just released 8 hours ago.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fugj6x5s63lu7pr/ROG-MAXIMUS-Z690-APEX-ASUS-1101.rar?dl=0
Save your 0811 version, load new 1101 on BIOS 2,.. and you should have no issues running 6600MHz.
@Bragnok Perfect thanks for that n letting me know....is that new Bios version from Mochiku, Im assuming it is as it looks like his drop box?...or Shamino's drop box? I got the 0811 from Shamino and all the Drivers from Mochiku I believe..... Sorry out on a ship at work now so Sat Comms only....painful at times. Thats exactly what I'll do is flash new BIOS to my original BIOS and leave 0811 alone (for now).
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The difficulty finding DDR5 for near MSRP is a big reason I am holding off upgrading for a bit. It kind of seems like the best bang for the buck is to put the extra markup cost of DDR5 into a better DDR4 based build right now. Of course this is based on availability that can change rapidly. I would recommend seeing what you can find in stock before deciding the upgrade path that you will be happiest with.
You can stop waiting.. see post from a few hours back:
Available right now on Corsair.com 2x16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6200MHz C36 (link)
..still available right now (booked, so very soon).
I have this kit running perfectly at XMP on my ASUS z690 APEX. GET it!!
Good to hear, thanks! I've ordered the 6200MHz C36, and I also purchased the 5600MHz C36 at a slight 7% markup a few weeks ago because I thought I'd never see the 6200MHz available, so I'll test both sets and then sell one of them.
Exact same....will get the new Doms 6200 c36 and likely sell the 5600 c36 kit.....
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Shamino dropped it 11-hours ago.  I'm loading it in the morning, get everything set-up over next few days,..
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Thanks man....was looking for it @ROG where he has posted before..... Got him @Overclock.net
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Newegg has the new 6400 C32 kits available $589 and $609. Corsair decided to drop the price and also not attempt delivery of my 5600c36 kit and sent it to some store, trying to get them to refund me now lol. So stupid.
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Thanks man....was looking for it @ROG where he has posted before.....
Got him @Overclock.net
Loaded 1101 tonight, my system is solid with 2x16GB SK Hynix bars. 
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Shamino dropped it 11-hours ago.
I'm loading it in the morning, get everything set-up over next few days,..
You running 1101 or 0090? Wasn't quite sure of the differences, 1101 is stable and 0090 is beta?
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^^^^ They are both "Unofficial" BIOS (Shamino BIOS).....Asus Site still has 0811 up...0811 came from Shamino initially....all these bios versions come from Shamino and the Drivers all come from Mochiku....Braegnok has ordered the same Corsair Dominator 6200 c36 kit as myself and he is saying the Microde 18 available on this bios is better for the RAM then the Microde I presently have on 0811 Bios.......if that makes sense.....
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Shamino dropped it 11-hours ago.
I'm loading it in the morning, get everything set-up over next few days,..
You running 1101 or 0090? Wasn't quite sure of the differences, 1101 is stable and 0090 is beta?
I just updated from 0046 to 1101 yesterday. 0090 was released ahead of 1101,.. both have the new DDR5 memory training improvement, added DDR5 XMP profiles, Intel IMC (Auto) voltage adjustment for SK Hynix, Samsung memory IC. The 1101 version also has the long waited for SLI key for Apex, Extreme boards. I'm stable running two Dell 4800 16GB Hynix modules up to 6200MHz 1.43V, they are mis/matched single stick purchase,.. running two sticks together you need to win lottery for stability. Looking forward too having matched 32GB kit of 16GB modules with extreme OC PMIC,.. I have Corsair 6200 Hynix, G.SKILL 6400 Hynix kit's on the way. The G.SKILL kit should arrive in two days on Saturday I will post results. Having a matched kit of 2x8, 2x16, or 2x32 is best way to go if your overclocking DDR5,.. it's a rough go overclocking mis/matched sticks designed/intended for 4800MHz @ 1.10V.
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Just got my Dom Plat 6200 c36 kit today except my loop is torn apart due to a dead pump. Replacement should get here tomorrow and get 1101 installed and see where things go.
Also have a kit of the G.Skill 6000 C36. CPUZ wasn't providing the DRAM manufacturer, but I was under the impression G.Skill was Samsung. Are they also using Hynix on some of their kits?
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Just got my Dom Plat 6200 c36 kit today except my loop is torn apart due to a dead pump. Replacement should get here tomorrow and get 1101 installed and see where things go.
Also have a kit of the G.Skill 6000 C36. CPUZ wasn't providing the DRAM manufacturer, but I was under the impression G.Skill was Samsung. Are they also using Hynix on some of their kits?
The Dom Plat 6200 c36 kit will be hynix ic, should do vary well with the latest beta 1101 BIOS. With G.SKILL 6000 c36 and c40 kits they generally have Samsung ic. The 6200, 6400 kits can have Hynix IC or Samsung. Rumer is G.SKILL has released the last batch of 2x16GB Hynix DDR5 this week with 6400 J kit,.. all DDR5 2x16GB kits rolling down G.SKILL assembly line will be Samsung for awhile. Manufactures are ramping up for DDR5 2x32, 4x32, 4x16GB kits, and they will generally have Hynix IC. 
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Braegnok
Received the G.SKILL 6400MHz CL32 2x16GB kit today, they are not plug & play with XMP 1 profile.
Where'd you order those from? Haven't seen them listed on US retail yet.
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