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2016/11/22 03:27:12 (permalink)
Hello
 I must first say I am a complete noob to GPUs and installing my own. I decided to take the plunge and buy a new GTX1070 FTW to replace my old 770. My installation was going along well until I got the infamous "please power down and connect the PCI-E cables for this graphics card" message. 
Again, please humor me because I am new to all of this. From what I can tell my 675W power supply was providing power to my 770 via a PCI-E 6+2 and a 6. The 1070 has 2x8 slots. It came with two Y adaptors, both with two 6s converging on an 8. 
 
No matter what configuration I come up with (connecting the 6+2 and the 6 directly, connecting the two 6's via one Y adaptor, connecting the two 6s via two Y adaptors etc), I cant seem to supply power to my 1070 FTW. Please help! And please feel free to talk to me like I'm a child as I definitely feel in over my head at the moment.
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 06:00:03 (permalink)
Do you have two 6+2 pcie cables you can plug in? Just use that instead of the Y-adapter. 
 
If you don't have two 6+2's, use the one you have, plus two 6's on the Y-adapter. 

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 06:31:26 (permalink)
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Hello
 I must first say I am a complete noob to GPUs and installing my own. I decided to take the plunge and buy a new GTX1070 FTW to replace my old 770. My installation was going along well until I got the infamous "please power down and connect the PCI-E cables for this graphics card" message. 
Again, please humor me because I am new to all of this. From what I can tell my 675W power supply was providing power to my 770 via a PCI-E 6+2 and a 6. The 1070 has 2x8 slots. It came with two Y adaptors, both with two 6s converging on an 8. 
 
No matter what configuration I come up with (connecting the 6+2 and the 6 directly, connecting the two 6's via one Y adaptor, connecting the two 6s via two Y adaptors etc), I cant seem to supply power to my 1070 FTW. Please help! And please feel free to talk to me like I'm a child as I definitely feel in over my head at the moment.


What is the power supply make and model?! A 6+2 and a 6 might boot the card but it probably wont let it do much else. Depending on the system you have the newer setups might even stop the system from booting without the correct plugs in but im not sure on that. Yes, use the 2 adapters that came with your card that take 2 6 pin pci-e lines and make them into a 8 pin. The reason why is because your pci-e slot on the motherboard supplies 75 watts, a 6 pin pci-e plug supplies 75 watts and a 8 pin pci-e plug supplies 150 watts. That's why you need two separate 6 pin pci-e lines for one adapter and two more separate 6 pin pci-e lines for the other adapter. Your psu, if its truly a 675 and a good model, should have that covered either with 4 6 pin pci-e lines or 2 6 pin pci-e lines and 2 8 pin pci-e lines. Please becareful though cause there are 8 pin EPS connectors, which are for extra power to the mobo itself, that look very similar to a pci-e 8 pin, but the 8 plastic holes in the plug are keyed differently between the two so you cant use the wrong line. Although, some people have been able to get them to go in the wrong connections by really forcing them like madmen,lol. So if its not going right in, then you probably have the wrong plug. Also, make sure when you plug them in that the little thumb lock/release on top of the plug is catching the other plug or it may not work right and create resistance and heat in the plug from a bad connection and you could end up with a meltdown.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 06:33:53 (permalink)
What PSU do you have?
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 06:42:55 (permalink)
Thank you for the input thus far. This is my PSU: 
 
So should I be able to go buy a second 6+2 PCIe cord and connect it up, thus having two 6+2s running from the PSU to the GPU?
I don't see any unused cables coming from my PSU presently so I suspect I have to buy one. The only other cable, as stated in the OP, is a 6.
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 07:48:44 (permalink)
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Thank you for the input thus far. This is my PSU: 


Nothing there man. Just post the model number of it.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 07:56:35 (permalink)
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Thank you for the input thus far. This is my PSU: 
 
So should I be able to go buy a second 6+2 PCIe cord and connect it up, thus having two 6+2s running from the PSU to the GPU?
I don't see any unused cables coming from my PSU presently so I suspect I have to buy one. The only other cable, as stated in the OP, is a 6.


You have to have 50 posts on the forum, and not spam....good posts to post links. So if you add a space or two somewhere in the link it will put it up so we can see. No, you cant buy a second "cord" to do that. If you have no other lines left then either your psu is a lower quality unit or its a very old unit from 10 years ago that usually didn't have more than two at that wattage back then. You can get a molex to 6 pin adapter, which is what used to come with the gpu's years ago. Maybe a friend might have one or you can buy one. It would look like this:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423173  then you can connect that 6 pin to the 2 6 pin to 8 pin splitter that you have now. That will give you the other 6 pin pci-e plug to go with the 6 pin pci-e plug you already have on the psu and then you can use the 6+2 pci-e pin coming from the psu itself and you should be good. My worry now is that your psu may not be a very good unit, but until you put a link up that we can see I don't know.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 10:34:22 (permalink)
6+2 from psu into one of the 8-pin ports on the gpu. 6-pin from psu into one of the y adapters, 8-pin from y adapter into the other 8-pin port on your gpu. Done.
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 15:44:21 (permalink)
Wmmills, my PSU is a Toughpower XT TPX675M. I bought it in 2013 so I don't think its more than a few years old. Here is a link. I put a few spaces in the https which you can hopefully delete and see in this post.

 
Saijin, I can't remember if I tried your recommendation above but I will try it when I get home from work.
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 15:45:29 (permalink)
Take two on the address:
 

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 16:06:23 (permalink)
lol, guess not
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 16:46:47 (permalink)
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Wmmills, my PSU is a Toughpower XT TPX675M. I bought it in 2013 so I don't think its more than a few years old. Here is a link. I put a few spaces in the https which you can hopefully delete and see in this post.
 
 
Saijin, I can't remember if I tried your recommendation above but I will try it when I get home from work.




Yikes, I would get a new PSU for that shiny new card.   You are just asking for trouble using that 3 year old bronze rated Thermaltake Toughpower.  It was only a mediocre PSU when it was brand new.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 17:27:30 (permalink)
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Wmmills, my PSU is a Toughpower XT TPX675M. I bought it in 2013 so I don't think its more than a few years old. Here is a link. I put a few spaces in the https which you can hopefully delete and see in this post.
 
 
Saijin, I can't remember if I tried your recommendation above but I will try it when I get home from work.




Yikes, I would get a new PSU for that shiny new card.   You are just asking for trouble using that 3 year old bronze rated Thermaltake Toughpower.  It was only a mediocre PSU when it was brand new.


 
hapkiman,
 
I will swing by a local shop today to see about getting a new PSU. Unfortunately its not as easy just ordering it somewhere because I'm active duty military living overseas. What should I be looking for in a good PSU for this card? Have any models you recommend?
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 20:12:08 (permalink)
Your Thermaltake XT TPX-675M should have come with two 6+2 pin PCIe power connectors and two 6 pin PCIe power connectors for graphics cards according to Thermaltake as well as Newegg.
 
Adapters that are included with any graphics cards are for use only when the PSU does not have the proper connectors..You shoud always use connectors straight from the PSU when adapters are not needed.
 
If you connect the 6+2 pin PCIe power connectors or adapters to the card and it still coughs up that power message, then either the card is bad, 6+2 pin connector/s or cable/s is bad, the modular PCIe power connector/s on the PSU is bad..Since it seems you've already tried all the possible connector/adapter combinations, and your old GTX 770 worked fine, it's likely the 1070 is bad, wouldn't be the first one..Try the card in another compatible PC/take the card to the shop and have them test it to see if it works or not to be sure.
 
The single +12V rail TPX-675M should be good to power your system, but you can use the OuterVision Power Supply Calculator to estimate your system wattage requirement.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 20:56:49 (permalink)
Wait a couple days until the Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales start to kick in and you can prob get a good deal on a PSU.  Stick with good brands.  And preferably a Gold or Platinum rated (Silver is OK too).  Corsair, EVGA, SeaSonic are good solid brands.  650 watts should do you up just right and leave you a little headroom.
 
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/22 20:59:35 (permalink)
That psu is sli certified with 2 6+2 pci e connectors. just dig them out! You may have to find them and plug them in as it is a semi modular PSU.
http://www.thermaltakeusa...er_XT_675W/Gallery.htm
 
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 09:13:54 (permalink)
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That psu is sli certified with 2 6+2 pci e connectors. just dig them out! You may have to find them and plug them in as it is a semi modular PSU.
http://www.thermaltakeusa...er_XT_675W/Gallery.htm
 
Good luck 
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‧ - 12Vin1: single +12V rail design providing up to 56A.
‧ - Multi-GPU ready: 2 x PCI-E 6+2pin & 2 x PCI-E 6pin for PCI-Express graphic cards.
‧ - Active Power Factor Correction (PFC) with PF value of 0.95 at full load.
‧ - Auto switching circuitry for universal AC input from 90-264V.
‧ - High reliability: MTBF>120,000 hours.
Am I missing something


Lol, naw your not missing anything. I looked it up too and yeah, theres no reason that unit couldn't push a 1070 just fine especially at only 3 years old. His big problem was that he only has 1 pcie 6 pin and 1 pci-e 6+2 pin, which isn't enough to power the card properly, especially with the newer cards and tech, so it is erroring out his rig. Those two 8 pins are there for a reason and they need the proper power config to work correctly. That's the bottom line. Cant troubleshoot anything else until we know he has the proper power going to the card for now.
 
edit: To the OP.... when you power up with the 770 does the psu have three green lights on your psu? What about with the 1070, even in the improper power config?
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 10:01:47 (permalink)
Sometimes having this Y-Adaptor in the box causes some users think they Have to Use it even if they have the Correct Cables.
Your Power Supply as stated above comes with 2 Each 2+6 Pin PCIe Power Cables, though you may not have it plugged in to your Power Supply look in your Box that the Power Supply came in or in your computer junk box.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 16:01:30 (permalink)
Thanks all for your incredibly helpful replies.
I spent some time digging through my computer last night and the picture seems to be this: my PSU does indeed have two unused PCI-E pin slots, one a 6 and one a 6+2. Unfortunately there are no cables attached and as they were likely in the original packaging, I have a feeling they were lost a few months ago when the military moved me overseas.
 
There is a very good computer shop near where I live now (Okinawa, Japan) and I swung by there yesterday and they have some good PSUs for sale. Alternatively, they have an entire wall of cables and I imagine if I spend some time digging, I could find cables for those two empty slots.
 
So I guess the question is this: worth it to invest in a new, higher rated PSU or just try to find the correct cables?
 
wmmills, when my 770 is hooked up, there are three green lights on the PSU. I will have to power down and re-install the 1070 to find the answer to your question in that config. I will try to do so this afternoon. What information does that provide? Again, excuse my ignorance on the topic, this is all new to me.
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 16:49:10 (permalink)
I would just invest in a good gold rated psu. You may be able to find the cables but if there not 100 percent correct you run the risk of damaging the gpu along with other components
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 16:52:39 (permalink)
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I would just invest in a good gold rated psu. You may be able to find the cables but if there not 100 percent correct you run the risk of damaging the gpu along with other components

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/23 17:18:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ozymandsss 2016/11/26 16:25:01
That COLA money for a couple months should get you a nice PSU.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/24 08:31:52 (permalink)
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Thanks all for your incredibly helpful replies.
I spent some time digging through my computer last night and the picture seems to be this: my PSU does indeed have two unused PCI-E pin slots, one a 6 and one a 6+2. Unfortunately there are no cables attached and as they were likely in the original packaging, I have a feeling they were lost a few months ago when the military moved me overseas.
 
There is a very good computer shop near where I live now (Okinawa, Japan) and I swung by there yesterday and they have some good PSUs for sale. Alternatively, they have an entire wall of cables and I imagine if I spend some time digging, I could find cables for those two empty slots.
 
So I guess the question is this: worth it to invest in a new, higher rated PSU or just try to find the correct cables?
 
wmmills, when my 770 is hooked up, there are three green lights on the PSU. I will have to power down and re-install the 1070 to find the answer to your question in that config. I will try to do so this afternoon. What information does that provide? Again, excuse my ignorance on the topic, this is all new to me.


Ok, three green lights is a good sign that the psu is at least working correctly when you setup all the components with the correct config. That's good. The psu is more than capable but you would have to get the replacement pci-e lines for THAT exact psu model so the wire pinouts will be correct or you could fry the card and potentially take other things out too if its wrong. The easiest thing you could do for yourself at this point is use the pci-e 6+2 pin on the psu already, which will cover the one 8 pin connection and then get a molex adapter like I described above which will reduce two molex plugs down to a pci-e 6 pin. So between making that one and the regular 6 pin you already have, you have the 2 required 6 pin pci-e plugs needed to add to the 6 pin to 8 pin pci-e adapter they gave you with the card. That way you can use the card now, you don't have to worry about buying the wrong replacement pci-e wire for your psu and you don't have to buy a new psu. Of course, its your money and you can always buy a new psu if you want.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/24 08:55:14 (permalink)
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I would just invest in a good gold rated psu. You may be able to find the cables but if there not 100 percent correct you run the risk of damaging the gpu along with other components

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/26 16:24:27 (permalink)
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That COLA money for a couple months should get you a nice PSU.

Haha, loveha. Yup, dont hate the COLA. 
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/29 19:06:20 (permalink)
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That COLA money for a couple months should get you a nice PSU.

Haha, loveha. Yup, dont hate the COLA. 


 Whats the typical percentage you guys get Oz?

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/29 21:29:14 (permalink)
For the COLA? Hm, not sure exactly what percentage it is because my salary has a bunch of additional specialty pays etc. I know COLA is location based. For example, I am in Okinawa, Japan and it is about $1400 a month.
 
On the PCI-E things, just to let everyone know, I went ahead and ordered a new gold rated 650W PSU directly from EVGA. Now just waiting for it to arrive here is painful....
 
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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/11/29 22:29:48 (permalink)
Back in 2010/11 when I was stationed on Camp Fuji, which is main land Japan, it was about $200 there abouts. Because when I went state side I lost about that much. May have been $150. Got out in 2013, had enough after 8 years and was not interested in doing recruiting or drill duty and my last duty station, Lejeune, sucked. If I could have some how miraculously stayed in Fuji for the next 9 years I would have.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2016/12/01 00:44:16 (permalink)
Thanks for the answers guys. That's a pretty good bump there guys, depending on what your doing and where like you guys said.

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Re: Brand new GTX 1070, out of box, please help with PCI-E configuration! 2017/01/25 17:50:56 (permalink)
Sry to be a pain. But what about the boards that have supplement power? Here's what I have (all EVGA):
x99 FTW K with Supplement PCI-e power located at the bottom left corner
NEX650G PSU which has (G1-B?) 8pin to 6+2pin power cables
GTX 1070 which has 2x 8pin power
 
Now does the supplement power on the boards only get used when going SLI?
Can I use the power cables supplied with the PSU for the graphics? Even thou the 2pin connector has the rounded top? Link
Or would I use the 6pin supplement power and 2 6+2pin power cables?
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